Too Tall Jones vs Bert Cooper

[Cutman Scabbers]

Furthermore, Manute Bol lead the NBA in blocked shots, blocking 397 shots during the 1985-86 season and 345 shots during the 1988-89 season. My question to you is could Wilt Chamberlain have even thrown 397 punches during a professional boxing match? Because any less than that and Manute Bol would have blocked them all. That's right: Bol vs. Chamberlain, Chamberlain would likely not have even landed a single punch.

[Kalan]

If he blocked 397 that's less then 5 per game... That means that 7,438 shots got through and scored against his team... Meanwhile he had no offense or defense to cope with that barrage.. He was one of the weaker players and poorest athletes who survived the cuts... If he weren't tall he'd have nothing.

[Kalan]

Bol once killed a wild tiger in Africa......Wilt never EVER did that. Not even once.

Sure...he SAID he was going to do it....he talked about it, a lot....but the tiger got tired of waiting for Wilt to jump....and after it was pretty clear Wilt was just posturing, the tiger moved on.

I think the story about killing the tiger is more myth than fact... If he snuck up on a sleeping tiger and speared it is that a fair fight?? I'm sure he didn't brace his spear on the ground and nail a leaping tiger in chest with it -- as Edgar Rice Burroughs would have you believe Tarzan did.

Wilt was after game that paid well... which tigers don't and he he never said he wanted to bag one, stop lying... Wilt was after Ali who wouldn't fight.

Wilt never promised to kill a tiger---but he did challenge chicken heart Ali.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

[Kalan]

Bol once killed a wild tiger in Africa...

There are no tigers in Africa... Tarzan had to go to India to bag his.

[gp.]

Bol once killed a wild tiger in Africa...

There are no tigers in Africa... Tarzan had to go to India to bag his.

The tiger went to Africa looking for Manute Bol. Bol had that kind of pull; you had to go to him, not him to you. Whereas Wilt had to go up into the Cascade mountains when he wanted to fight a bobcat.

[keithmoonhangover]

Bol once killed a wild tiger in Africa...

There are no tigers in Africa... Tarzan had to go to India to bag his.

Tarzan wipes the floor with Wilt. Six months training with Cus etc etc....

[BoxBuzz]

Bol had a height advantage.

[Kalan]

As well as a massive intelligence advantage over BuzzBox. That would be the key If they had a poker game going.

[keithmoonhangover]

As well as a massive intelligence advantage over BuzzBox. That would be the key If they had a poker game going.

I thought you were behaving yourself, so you don't get a 'holiday' ?

[Kalan]

From this site???? .... Hmmm that might be a great idea... getting away from the brain dead for a while... See you in a few days.

[gilgamesh]

From this site???? .... Hmmm that might be a great idea... getting away from the brain dead for a while... See you in a few days.

Maybe you can rewatch Zale vs Graziano 1 and 2 at the theater again during your few days off.

[keithmoonhangover]

From this site???? .... Hmmm that might be a great idea... getting away from the brain dead for a while... See you in a few days.

Maybe you can rewatch Zale vs Graziano 1 and 2 at the theater again during your few days off.

If he just owned up to lying about it, I'd have a little bit of respect for him.

[Tomasino]

From this site???? .... Hmmm that might be a great idea... getting away from the brain dead for a while... See you in a few days.

Maybe you can rewatch Zale vs Graziano 1 and 2 at the theater again during your few days off.

If he just owned up to lying about it, I'd have a little bit of respect for him.

Why respect him? He's on here to troll, nothing more. Or that's how I see it anyway.

[keithmoonhangover]

Maybe you can rewatch Zale vs Graziano 1 and 2 at the theater again during your few days off.

If he just owned up to lying about it, I'd have a little bit of respect for him.

Why respect him? He's on here to troll, nothing more. Or that's how I see it anyway.

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In life, I think a person who apologises or admits guilt, is a better person for it. Just my opinion mate. I don't think hell come back now, but if he does it'll be in Current Scene or with a username change.

[BoxBuzz]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He's not a former contributor from the past....which both he and caractus have been accused of. I promise you that. Plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Now one of the hardest things for me to accept is that he was at the first Zale Graz fight. I THINK he said he witnessed it live.....and at his age, that's not impossible is it?

And IF he said he saw it at a theatre.....well.....I guess we could find out if that's possible.....they used to show those films back then at the cinemas.

I know there's no CURRENT film of that fight...at least I've come to believe it.....but that does not mean there wasn't an old acetate back in the day...that just has not survived.

Seriously....why does every coot and codger that drops in HAVE to be a troll? When I think of a troll I think of a young turk just upsettin' the apple cart with direct attacks.

He's never done that....he's just blasted back at many of us for our "stupid" opinions. When I'm attacked for having what someone else categorizes as a foolish opinion I just laugh.

Because I'm just as happy to hear another opinion as my own. Even when it's 180 degrees off from my own. Some of his assumptions are goofy in my book.....I'm just not dead certain he's wrong. Though we all have to admit I'm pretty darn smart, and if I think something's just aint right, you can bet with me and be sure to collect...at least 50% of the time.


Anyway....a few days a way thinking over the error of his ways will do him good.


And Saad....I'm not Kalan...ya big goofy poof.

[hhaehre]

Maybe you can rewatch Zale vs Graziano 1 and 2 at the theater again during your few days off.

If he just owned up to lying about it, I'd have a little bit of respect for him.

Why respect him? He's on here to troll, nothing more. Or that's how I see it anyway.

I actually don't think he's a troll, just a sad compulsive liar. Of course, no need to respect him as he is usually crass and disrespectful toward most posters and fighters.

[Controversial]

If he just owned up to lying about it, I'd have a little bit of respect for him.

Why respect him? He's on here to troll, nothing more. Or that's how I see it anyway.

I actually don't think he's a troll, just a sad compulsive liar. Of course, no need to respect him as he is usually crass and disrespectful toward most posters and fighters.

I think someone who sings the praises of Wilt Chambrerlain and Too Tall Jones yet dismisses the records of ATG fighters is a troll. Plus when you pull him up on one of his claims he ignores you, that's what trolls do.

[Cutman Scabbers]

Manute Bol smashes trolls!

[gp.]

Why respect him? He's on here to troll, nothing more. Or that's how I see it anyway.

I actually don't think he's a troll, just a sad compulsive liar. Of course, no need to respect him as he is usually crass and disrespectful toward most posters and fighters.

I think someone who sings the praises of Wilt Chambrerlain and Too Tall Jones yet dismisses the records of ATG fighters is a troll. Plus when you pull him up on one of his claims he ignores you, that's what trolls do.

I think he genuinely believes this.

He contributes in other threads in an often sensible way. He just has some outlandish opinions which he does try to back up.

[punchoutsb]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He may not be a liar, but he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed to have benched 405 for 4 reps which isn't unbelievable for a strength athlete (I can do it after 8 years of HARD strength only training) but is pretty unbelievable for a supposed boxer at a time when very few boxers lifted at all. In the early 60's there had only been 13 men in the WORLD to bench over 400 once...He also claims to have pressed 340 pounds overhead easily which would have put him 11th in the world in 1964 and sent him to the Olympics in 1972. Reg Park pressed 300 overhead and it was considered a huge feat since he was "only" 240 pounds. He claims to have done this without training heavily since he's a boxer; by my estimation he would be the second strongest boxer of all time right behind Paul Anderson. He also claims "Cullen Bryant" (I'm guessing he means the Rams running back) benched 545 lbs, about 50 pounds more than the current world record for Bryants size.

Add this to his other claims and we either have one of the most accomplished humans to have ever lived on boxrec or we've got a trolly old hyperbolist.

[BoxBuzz]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He may not be a liar, but he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed to have benched 405 for 4 reps which isn't unbelievable for a strength athlete (I can do it after 8 years of HARD strength only training) but is pretty unbelievable for a supposed boxer at a time when very few boxers lifted at all. In the early 60's there had only been 13 men in the WORLD to bench over 400 once...He also claims to have pressed 340 pounds overhead easily which would have put him 11th in the world in 1964 and sent him to the Olympics in 1972. Reg Park pressed 300 overhead and it was considered a huge feat since he was "only" 240 pounds. He claims to have done this without training heavily since he's a boxer; by my estimation he would be the second strongest boxer of all time right behind Paul Anderson. He also claims "Cullen Bryant" (I'm guessing he means the Rams running back) benched 545 lbs, about 50 pounds more than the current world record for Bryants size.

Add this to his other claims and we either have one of the most accomplished humans to have ever lived on boxrec or we've got a trolly old hyperbolist.

Well...someone has to be "most accomplished". He's certainly accomplished a small degree of confusion.

[punchoutsb]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He may not be a liar, but he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed to have benched 405 for 4 reps which isn't unbelievable for a strength athlete (I can do it after 8 years of HARD strength only training) but is pretty unbelievable for a supposed boxer at a time when very few boxers lifted at all. In the early 60's there had only been 13 men in the WORLD to bench over 400 once...He also claims to have pressed 340 pounds overhead easily which would have put him 11th in the world in 1964 and sent him to the Olympics in 1972. Reg Park pressed 300 overhead and it was considered a huge feat since he was "only" 240 pounds. He claims to have done this without training heavily since he's a boxer; by my estimation he would be the second strongest boxer of all time right behind Paul Anderson. He also claims "Cullen Bryant" (I'm guessing he means the Rams running back) benched 545 lbs, about 50 pounds more than the current world record for Bryants size.

Add this to his other claims and we either have one of the most accomplished humans to have ever lived on boxrec or we've got a trolly old hyperbolist.

Well...someone has to be "most accomplished". He's certainly accomplished a small degree of confusion.

He's a very accomplished story teller, though not quite there yet on fact checking

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Buzz gave himself a break?

[gp.]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He may not be a liar, but he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed to have benched 405 for 4 reps which isn't unbelievable for a strength athlete (I can do it after 8 years of HARD strength only training) but is pretty unbelievable for a supposed boxer at a time when very few boxers lifted at all. In the early 60's there had only been 13 men in the WORLD to bench over 400 once...He also claims to have pressed 340 pounds overhead easily which would have put him 11th in the world in 1964 and sent him to the Olympics in 1972. Reg Park pressed 300 overhead and it was considered a huge feat since he was "only" 240 pounds. He claims to have done this without training heavily since he's a boxer; by my estimation he would be the second strongest boxer of all time right behind Paul Anderson. He also claims "Cullen Bryant" (I'm guessing he means the Rams running back) benched 545 lbs, about 50 pounds more than the current world record for Bryants size.

Add this to his other claims and we either have one of the most accomplished humans to have ever lived on boxrec or we've got a trolly old hyperbolist.

I missed this thread. Where did he claim this?

[keithmoonhangover]

Buzz gave himself a break?

Oh come on, give Buzz a break. He ain't Kalan.