asdfjkl wrote:
Vada obviously failed during the first one, and about the second one I have my doubts as well, 0,00000000001? That was the amount of grams traced? If you kiss an avarage bodybuilder you'll probably have more of it in your body. But ofcourse Stiverne is really really scared of 0,00000000001 gram right? Also note that the test before, as well as after were clean.
I think that's a bit of a naive statement. It's the effects the drug would have one the body in greater volumes before the test. Drugs do not make your muscles stronger. They allow you to train harder for longer which results in stronger muscles. Taking the drugs for the fight itself, albeit stupid, wouldn't have the desired effects.
That's a wrong headed statement... Povetkin was tested for months and months and passed every test with ease... Than hours before the fight he comes up positive again??? ... WTF?!? ... That makes no sense!!! That was done to destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and to stop Ryabinsky for bidding on lucrative World Championship Fights -- and stop taking those lucrative fights away from American promoters -- which is his right.
Since VADA lied and misrepresented Povetkin's PED tests for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight...why would ANYONE trust them??? VADA is mixed up with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte.. Now the fox is in control of the hen house.. Conte gave athletes "nutritional supplements" he said were legal and would pass any PED test.. His athletes tested positive for PEDs and put the blame on Conte... Conte was convicted and thrown into prison for PED pushing.
Ah Kalan, I'm so delighted you responded to my post. It's always such a pleasure to hear from you.
In no way did you address anything in my post, so I'm not really sure what you want me to say. Just carrying on your rambling rhetoric about Povetkin and Victor Conte.
crusader wrote:$300-400k in preparation, and Stiverne still looked like a tub of goo
I am guessing he was eating sturgeon caviar with 1960s wines 3 times a day and staying in penthouse suites. Probably included expensive prostitutes too.
asdfjkl wrote:
Vada obviously failed during the first one, and about the second one I have my doubts as well, 0,00000000001? That was the amount of grams traced? If you kiss an avarage bodybuilder you'll probably have more of it in your body. But ofcourse Stiverne is really really scared of 0,00000000001 gram right? Also note that the test before, as well as after were clean.
I think that's a bit of a naive statement. It's the effects the drug would have one the body in greater volumes before the test. Drugs do not make your muscles stronger. They allow you to train harder for longer which results in stronger muscles. Taking the drugs for the fight itself, albeit stupid, wouldn't have the desired effects.
That's a wrong headed statement... Povetkin was tested for months and months and passed every test with ease... Than hours before the fight he comes up positive again??? ... WTF?!? ... That makes no sense!!! That was done to destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and to stop Ryabinsky for bidding on lucrative World Championship Fights -- and stop taking those lucrative fights away from American promoters -- which is his right.
Since VADA lied and misrepresented Povetkin's PED tests for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight...why would ANYONE trust them??? VADA is mixed up with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte.. Now the fox is in control of the hen house.. Conte gave athletes "nutritional supplements" he said were legal and would pass any PED test.. His athletes tested positive for PEDs and put the blame on Conte... Conte was convicted and thrown into prison for PED pushing.
In fact Povetkin is the most tested boxer on the world in 2016, why would he be clean all the time and then, two weeks before a match suddenly take illegal substances? And on top of that, how can he possibly take such a small amount of it? And how comes both Wilder, as well as Stiverne are completely out of shape just before the match?
Kalan wrote:You're saying " It's the effects the drug would have one the body in greater volumes before the test."
So when did he have greater volumes in his system??? When he was tested many times for months, but came up with a positive test just before the fight?
That's usually how doping works. The concentration of the drug will be at its lowest at the time of the fight. It will be at its highest in the training block before the fight, probably some 6 weeks before.
To be honest, I don't know specifically when Povetkin was tested in the 10 weeks leading up to the fight. Do you? Can you share the dates please?
Kalan wrote:You're saying " It's the effects the drug would have one the body in greater volumes before the test."
So when did he have greater volumes in his system??? When he was tested many times for months, but came up with a positive test just before the fight?
That's usually how doping works. The concentration of the drug will be at its lowest at the time of the fight. It will be at its highest in the training block before the fight, probably some 6 weeks before.
To be honest, I don't know specifically when Povetkin was tested in the 10 weeks leading up to the fight. Do you? Can you share the dates please?
Povetkin before the fight had three times passed the doping test: 15 November, 6 December and 13 December. Of them were positive only sample of 6 December, which, as became known later, it was found very low contents of ostarine. Currently, the WBC leads the investigation against Povetkin.
Kalan wrote:You're saying " It's the effects the drug would have one the body in greater volumes before the test."
So when did he have greater volumes in his system??? When he was tested many times for months, but came up with a positive test just before the fight?
That's usually how doping works. The concentration of the drug will be at its lowest at the time of the fight. It will be at its highest in the training block before the fight, probably some 6 weeks before.
To be honest, I don't know specifically when Povetkin was tested in the 10 weeks leading up to the fight. Do you? Can you share the dates please?
Povetkin before the fight had three times passed the doping test: 15 November, 6 December and 13 December. Of them were positive only sample of 6 December, which, as became known later, it was found very low contents of ostarine. Currently, the WBC leads the investigation against Povetkin.
I love the name of that website.
Also, is it me, or is that article extremely badly written? I don't consider myself Shakespeare or anything, but most the sentences don't make any sense.
Finally, did anyone else notice the most popular articles on the right hand side? The two most popular articles are about a device that can catch ghosts...
Rob3_142 wrote:
That's usually how doping works. The concentration of the drug will be at its lowest at the time of the fight. It will be at its highest in the training block before the fight, probably some 6 weeks before.
To be honest, I don't know specifically when Povetkin was tested in the 10 weeks leading up to the fight. Do you? Can you share the dates please?
Povetkin before the fight had three times passed the doping test: 15 November, 6 December and 13 December. Of them were positive only sample of 6 December, which, as became known later, it was found very low contents of ostarine. Currently, the WBC leads the investigation against Povetkin.
I love the name of that website.
Also, is it me, or is that article extremely badly written? I don't consider myself Shakespeare or anything, but most the sentences don't make any sense.
Finally, did anyone else notice the most popular articles on the right hand side? The two most popular articles are about a device that can catch ghosts...
It is likely a google translate from Russian. At best, it was translated by somebody who has never heard real English.
Also, is it me, or is that article extremely badly written? I don't consider myself Shakespeare or anything, but most the sentences don't make any sense.
Finally, did anyone else notice the most popular articles on the right hand side? The two most popular articles are about a device that can catch ghosts...
It is likely a google translate from Russian. At best, it was translated by somebody who has never heard real English.
Has anyone got any sources which are not Russian? To be honest, I trust them about as far as I could throw them, so probably not very far.
Also, is it me, or is that article extremely badly written? I don't consider myself Shakespeare or anything, but most the sentences don't make any sense.
Finally, did anyone else notice the most popular articles on the right hand side? The two most popular articles are about a device that can catch ghosts...
It is likely a google translate from Russian. At best, it was translated by somebody who has never heard real English.
Has anyone got any sources which are not Russian? To be honest, I trust them about as far as I could throw them, so probably not very far.
Ryabinsky didn't lie about such facts during the meldonium situation, so I don't see why we should be suspicious that he lies about dates or concentration now. VADA itself is so non-transparent that it makes it really hard to fully trust them.
boxing_rocks wrote:
It is likely a google translate from Russian. At best, it was translated by somebody who has never heard real English.
Has anyone got any sources which are not Russian? To be honest, I trust them about as far as I could throw them, so probably not very far.
Ryabinsky didn't lie about such facts during the meldonium situation, so I don't see why we should be suspicious that he lies about dates or concentration now. VADA itself is so non-transparent that it makes it really hard to fully trust them.
He also accepted that there was traces of Ostarine in his test, he does not know how it got there, and fears for the B sample too.
Rob3_142 wrote:
Has anyone got any sources which are not Russian? To be honest, I trust them about as far as I could throw them, so probably not very far.
Ryabinsky didn't lie about such facts during the meldonium situation, so I don't see why we should be suspicious that he lies about dates or concentration now. VADA itself is so non-transparent that it makes it really hard to fully trust them.
He also accepted that there was traces of Ostarine in his test, he does not know how it got there, and fears for the B sample too.
Hasn't the Povetkin B sample been tested now?
No, team Povetkin couldn't make it to Cali on time. I don't think a new date has been announced.
