What do you mean by a fighters prime?

[world ranked]

Whatever I consider them before a fight. Let you can tell before a fight if someone's in there prime. Hindsight its so easy to say someone wasn't in there prime. It's what I believe of them prior to a fight. That's how I define prime. I give an example I don't think Kell Brook or Kovalev are in the prime anymore regardless of what their next fight is but prior to there last fights I thought they were in prime.

[Controversial]

So what better time for Tyson to get his " revenge "? He had been battered, and then disgraced by none other than Holyfield ( who'd put Buster into retirement in 90, ) by mid 97. Why wasn't it him possibly knocking over Douglas in 98 instead of Saverese? ( hell even I could have promoted that fight ) We KNOW he could still sell tickets then. I believe he felt that Douglas would always have been " up " for a fight with him, and consequently didn't really want to know. Too big, too fast, and too skilled for Tyson when he took the job seriously.

I assume because Tyson had title fights with Holyfield in 1996 and 1997, far more lucrative than a non-title fight against Douglas. When he came back Douglas was quite vocal about rematches with Tyson and Holyfield and got a few wins under his belt before being stopped in the first round against Savarese in 1998.

I think you need to read what I wrote again.

It wouldn't need Barnum, and Bailey, or Don King, Bob Arum, Shelley Finkel, or any other promoter you wish to name to have sold a fight between Tyson and Douglas immediately AFTER June 97.

One had been put into a 6 year retirement, by Vander, and was on the way back. The other had just got himself thrown out in cowardly fashion, rather than take another beating from the very same Vander.

In fact it might well have been a job for Barnum and Bailey, because by then Tyson had the freak show element, and it would have sold on a huge scale.

Who knows why it didn't happen, Tyson didn't fight again for another 18 months after the Holyfield rematch, he was pretty much finished then anyway. So was Douglas.

[Controversial]

The point being if he had truly wanted to rematch Douglas he could have made the fight, and after the second defeat to E H was the perfect time to try to make it.

Sure it would've sold, Tyson always sold tickets. I just think that Tyson was involved in world title fights and Douglas was on a comeback trail against nobodies, just bad timing coupled with Tyson not fighting regularly anymore and Douglas getting knocked out.

[davie]

Is it possible for a fighter to have 2 primes?
Reach their peak, drop off then re-find their best form again

It might be because of difficulties in someones life causing a dip (or would you just class that as a dip in form)
Or perhaps a fighter that hit's the top then starts to show signs of age, then changes their style to accomodate their slowing down to recapture the early form that made them great.


Did Hopkins have more than one prime?
Foreman?

[Keko]

Is it possible for a fighter to have 2 primes?
Reach their peak, drop off then re-find their best form again

It might be because of difficulties in someones life causing a dip (or would you just class that as a dip in form)
Or perhaps a fighter that hit's the top then starts to show signs of age, then changes their style to accomodate their slowing down to recapture the early form that made them great.


Did Hopkins have more than one prime?
Foreman?

Good examples!

[Controversial]

The point being if he had truly wanted to rematch Douglas he could have made the fight, and after the second defeat to E H was the perfect time to try to make it.

Sure it would've sold, Tyson always sold tickets. I just think that Tyson was involved in world title fights and Douglas was on a comeback trail against nobodies, just bad timing coupled with Tyson not fighting regularly anymore and Douglas getting knocked out.

That though is the whole point. Tyson wasn't fighting for any titles AFTER Holyfield 2, and didn't for a further 5 years. 98 would have been the perfect time for him to try to redeem himself after losing twice to Vander, and a rematch with the 1st man to beat him would have sold more than any fights he had between then and the Lewis fight.

My contention is he wanted no part of Douglas at anytime after Tokyo.

Yeah maybe, maybe not, all speculation isn't it.

[biglefthook]

Shut up dildoes

[APerno]

Is it possible for a fighter to have 2 primes?
Reach their peak, drop off then re-find their best form again

It might be because of difficulties in someones life causing a dip (or would you just class that as a dip in form)
Or perhaps a fighter that hit's the top then starts to show signs of age, then changes their style to accomodate their slowing down to recapture the early form that made them great.


Did Hopkins have more than one prime?
Foreman?

I would say yes to Foreman, the perfect example of two primes; Hopkins, seems to me, to have had just one long 'prime.'

[Tomasino]

Are you American by any chance?

Only they are not much on irony and wouldn't have " got " the LOL icons at the end of the post. By the way, I am flattered that you spend time reading my posts when I barely even notice yours.

I'm glad you managed an erection over me reading your posts, your care home nurse will be most impressed.

I'm from the UK. Please, stop being a petty, racist, bitter pudendum.

By the way you pompous prig, why haven't you and the pathetic Polly parrot taken issue with the so called " established " posters who said more or less the same as me, but in different wording? ( Fanboys think they decide when their heroes are prime or not )

Hypocrites like you make the skin crawl.

I've only taken issue with your hate filled posts old man. You really need to get a grip it's rather sad seeing you self destruct on the forum. You obviously know boxing, why not simply share your opinion and just chill out and relax, I've no interest in online enmity