MMA

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 05 Jan 2017, 13:34

crusader wrote:She was supposed to waltz into boxing and win a world title

Floyd is lucky she let him off the hook.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 05 Jan 2017, 15:28

There's still talk of Aldo vs Khabib happening not that I think it it will now that Khabib has turned it down.

I watched the BJ Penn vs Florian fight because it's free ATM and something struck me. As much as BJ Penn is a great grappler and outgrappled Florian without a huge amount of issues, I did notice how hard it looked for BJ in comparison to Aldo despite BJ getting a sub win. BJ had to work to pass guard and get mount etc where as when Aldo passed he made it look almost effortless. I want to see Aldo face Khabib win or lose for no other reason than I want to see just how good the guys grappling is.

Cyclops · Post by **Cyclops** » 05 Jan 2017, 19:49

Crease wrote:
clopixolacuphase wrote:Hatton is vaguely comparable: the Pacquiao loss was a huge humiliation for him, one he has never seemed to get over. He's a millionaire, but so what? He's terribly unhappy. It's a shame.
I'm not sure about that mate. As far as I know Ricky has always said that the Mayweather defeat was the one that bothered him the most.

He lost his undefeated record that night, it was seen as his "big chance" in Vegas and it was a fight that Ricky was convinced that he could win.

Still does as a matter of fact, had they been assigned a different referee - he said as much in those touring interviews that he does.

He might say that but he got completely splattered by Pacquaio, and looked absolutely dogshit in the process. He at least had a degree of success against Floyd and can say that he took the fight to him.

It was a rubbish comparison though mate, you're right.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 06 Jan 2017, 00:32

Tomasino wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:What do any of you know of this Melvin guy who's fighting bare knuckle soon. Apparently had a decent ufc career.

Melvin Manhoef?

No, Guillard.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 06 Jan 2017, 01:34

mickey1975 wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:What do any of you know of this Melvin guy who's fighting bare knuckle soon. Apparently had a decent ufc career.

Melvin Manhoef?
No, Guillard.

I haven't seen him for a long time. From memory though he was fast and explosive but didn't have a great chin or defence either on the feet or on the ground. Decent enough fighter though.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 06 Jan 2017, 03:38

p4p1 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:
Tomasino wrote:

Melvin Manhoef?
No, Guillard.
I haven't seen him for a long time. From memory though he was fast and explosive but didn't have a great chin or defence either on the feet or on the ground. Decent enough fighter though.

Jimmy Sweeney probably does him then.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 06 Jan 2017, 03:40

I met Manhoef at a seminar at my friends gym,not that big of a man, viscous kicks though. And a nice man.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 06 Jan 2017, 03:45

mickey1975 wrote:I met Manhoef at a seminar at my friends gym,not that big of a man, viscous kicks though. And a nice man.

Manhoef is one body part away from being the perfect fighter

ElJefe · Post by **ElJefe** » 06 Jan 2017, 16:34

Was having a look at the UFC rankings and it made me think, where is the new blood at LHW and HW to be looking out for? Feels like the top 4 or 5 at LHW have been round for years, and even guys like Manuwa who looked great in his last fight vs Saint Preux already has losses to the top 2 contenders. Is there just a gulf between the elite and the rest?

Heavyweight looks the same. Overeem, Hunt, Arlovski must be ancient now but they're all comfortably top 10 fighters in the rankings. From a casual point of view it seems as though there's a bit more of a turnover in the lower weights at least in regards to guys in with a shout of a title shot.

Am I right or wrong? What's the reason for what seems to be a lack of new fighters coming through at the higher weights?

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 06 Jan 2017, 22:56

ElJefe wrote:Was having a look at the UFC rankings and it made me think, where is the new blood at LHW and HW to be looking out for? Feels like the top 4 or 5 at LHW have been round for years, and even guys like Manuwa who looked great in his last fight vs Saint Preux already has losses to the top 2 contenders. Is there just a gulf between the elite and the rest?

Heavyweight looks the same. Overeem, Hunt, Arlovski must be ancient now but they're all comfortably top 10 fighters in the rankings. From a casual point of view it seems as though there's a bit more of a turnover in the lower weights at least in regards to guys in with a shout of a title shot.

Am I right or wrong? What's the reason for what seems to be a lack of new fighters coming through at the higher weights?

I think the truth is that athletic guys who are 220lbs+ generally go into different sports if it's an option. Take Miocic for example, if he had ever been good enough to make the MLB(there was interest in him)there's no way he would be fighting today.

I also wonder with the way the UFC at times treats prospects if that puts a premature end to some guys' career. Chucking relatively inexperienced up and comers with power hitters like Hunt, JDS, Overeem etc could derail a promising career as well.

Derick Lewis and Francis Ngannou are getting a chance to break into the top 5-7 in their next fights though which could bring some much needed new blood.

Same goes for LHW I guess, I think Rumble could beat Cormier though. Which u see incredible because the dude used to somehow make WW.

zojo · Post by **zojo** » 07 Jan 2017, 00:42

Agree with p4p

If Jones was not as ectomorphic, and was built more like his brothers, he most likely would be in the NFL now anyway. Heck, guys on the practice squad make six figures.

High level heavyweight wrestlers will get hired as college coaches. Mocco had one loss (I scored it 29-28 for him) then got a job coaching at Lehigh. Ellis lost his second match, then went back to college coaching.

Then you have guys like Cole Konrad. He left bellator as champ because he realized he would make more money in an office than in the cage.

Prospects in the heavyweight ranks have other options. I guess that is why we don't see new blood in the division.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 07 Jan 2017, 01:35

It is a "old division" Velasquez, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Hunt, Arlovski ect, all on the wrong side of 30

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 07 Jan 2017, 10:14

There's some interesting new LHW blood rearing his head in the UFC...

Paul "Bearjew" Craig
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Paul-Craig-110167

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 08 Jan 2017, 04:55

Ok, so I'm pretty over hearing about ronda at this point, though I have one more thing I found interesting....
Brendan schuab recently said on his podcast that she was angry at joe rogan, and didn't want to speak to him. As far as I knew they were friends, and she has been on his podcast before.
Has anyone heard anything about this cause I'd be interested to know why.
If I had to take a stab it could Be that he was very critical of her performance against holm?

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 08 Jan 2017, 05:07

thunderfromdownunder wrote:Ok, so I'm pretty over hearing about ronda at this point, though I have one more thing I found interesting....
Brendan schuab recently said on his podcast that she was angry at joe rogan, and didn't want to speak to him. As far as I knew they were friends, and she has been on his podcast before.
Has anyone heard anything about this cause I'd be interested to know why.
If I had to take a stab it could Be that he was very critical of her performance against holm?

She's been angry at Joe since she got knocked out against Holm. Remember Joe spoke about her getting finished by Holm and said things that could be taken negatively about her. She is angry at EVERYONE who spoke about her getting finished by Holm/Nunes or congratulated Holm/Nunes. She threatened to beat up Paige because she's a 'fair weather bitch' for congratulating Holm on her win.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 08 Jan 2017, 06:16

p4p1 wrote:
thunderfromdownunder wrote:Ok, so I'm pretty over hearing about ronda at this point, though I have one more thing I found interesting....
Brendan schuab recently said on his podcast that she was angry at joe rogan, and didn't want to speak to him. As far as I knew they were friends, and she has been on his podcast before.
Has anyone heard anything about this cause I'd be interested to know why.
If I had to take a stab it could Be that he was very critical of her performance against holm?
She's been angry at Joe since she got knocked out against Holm. Remember Joe spoke about her getting finished by Holm and said things that could be taken negatively about her. She is angry at EVERYONE who spoke about her getting finished by Holm/Nunes or congratulated Holm/Nunes. She threatened to beat up Paige because she's a 'fair weather bitch' for congratulating Holm on her win.

What things in particular did he say?
I mean his a commentator and analysist, it's his job. If she's angry about it that's pretty stupid

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 09 Jan 2017, 09:10

RDA moving to WW.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 10 Jan 2017, 05:03

Wonder boy v Woodley 2 confirmed at 209. I think both guys might fight a little different this time around. Woodley might look for the knockout more, knowing he can hurt Thompson.

DannyMCR · Post by **DannyMCR** » 10 Jan 2017, 05:57

https://twitter.com/ufc/status/818646665208827904

Tomasino · Post by **Tomasino** » 10 Jan 2017, 08:48

DannyMCR wrote:https://twitter.com/ufc/status/818646665208827904

I hope it's better than their last stinker. Wonderboy was far too negative in that one.

jujigatame · Post by **jujigatame** » 10 Jan 2017, 10:57

Supposedly they offered Maia a #1 contender fight against Lawler, but he turned it down and said he will wait for the Woodley/Thompson II winner. That's a risky move and I hope it doesn't backfire on him.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 10 Jan 2017, 17:01

jujigatame wrote:Supposedly they offered Maia a #1 contender fight against Lawler, but he turned it down and said he will wait for the Woodley/Thompson II winner. That's a risky move and I hope it doesn't backfire on him.

He's earned his shot, if the last fight wasn't a draw he would be getting his shot now. I want to see him fight for the title and to be honest I would love to see him win. I always thought he was a bad style match up for GSP TBH.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 10 Jan 2017, 17:48

thunderfromdownunder wrote:Wonder boy v Woodley 2 confirmed at 209. I think both guys might fight a little different this time around. Woodley might look for the knockout more, knowing he can hurt Thompson.

Tyrone has a few more options than Wonderboy. He would do well to pressure Stephen a bit more this time around and make it ugly. Woodley has the speed to avoid shots while getting inside. Thompson doesn't like pressure, and I believe Woodley will deliver that pressure, get inside, take him down and work his gnp. I'm taking Woodley by stoppage.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 10 Jan 2017, 22:01

Impractical Poster wrote:
thunderfromdownunder wrote:Wonder boy v Woodley 2 confirmed at 209. I think both guys might fight a little different this time around. Woodley might look for the knockout more, knowing he can hurt Thompson.
Tyrone has a few more options than Wonderboy. He would do well to pressure Stephen a bit more this time around and make it ugly. Woodley has the speed to avoid shots while getting inside. Thompson doesn't like pressure, and I believe Woodley will deliver that pressure, get inside, take him down and work his gnp. I'm taking Woodley by stoppage.

I feel mostly the same I think out of the 2 Woodley can make more adjustments to get the W. It's still an interesting fight though I'll be watching and cheering for Wonderboy.

I just would love to see Maia get the shot next and take the title!

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 11 Jan 2017, 02:24

Impractical Poster wrote:
thunderfromdownunder wrote:Wonder boy v Woodley 2 confirmed at 209. I think both guys might fight a little different this time around. Woodley might look for the knockout more, knowing he can hurt Thompson.
Tyrone has a few more options than Wonderboy. He would do well to pressure Stephen a bit more this time around and make it ugly. Woodley has the speed to avoid shots while getting inside. Thompson doesn't like pressure, and I believe Woodley will deliver that pressure, get inside, take him down and work his gnp. I'm taking Woodley by stoppage.

Yeah I'm thinking the same. I was actually surprised he didn't press forward more the first time. In fact it was wonderboy doing most of the pressing.
Thompson is quick enough to fight on the counter and get out of the way. I'm just not sure he'll be as effective backing up

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