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[Counter-puncher]

Glad you enjoyed, at least i know I'm probably biased to Nishioka now

[Counter-puncher]

I still insist that it was a fight where it was closer in the ring than it was on the scorecard, though!

A lot of competitive rounds considering the wide scores

[scartissue]

I think you're absolutely correct. Every round was close. It was just a damn good fight.

[Counter-puncher]

I'll see if I can think of some more you may not have seen, though you do seem to have seen a lot of fights.

[Counter-puncher]

Ok two good ones straight away if you haven't seen many Japanese fights?

Tatsuyoshi vs Yakushiji

Yaegashi vs Ioka

[scartissue]

Counter, in between posts I watched the controversial Howard Davis - Tony Baltazar fight. It was fought in Atlantic City, so New Jersey rules apply which is a rounds basis and no extra points for knockdowns. Here we go.

Round 1: Baltazar
Round 2: Davis
Round 3: Davis
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Baltazar (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: Davis
Round 7: Baltazar
Round 8: Baltazar (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: Baltazar
Round 10: Davis

Total: 5-4-1 Baltazar

This was a unanimous decision for Davis with scores of 5-4-1, 7-3 and 8-2. NY and NJ rules really messed up a lot of fights - although in this case, even with the 2 point round for a knockdown Baltazar would still have lost a split decision. Other fights off the top of my head that were hindered by the rounds basis with no extra points would have been Coetzee-Snipes and the first Benitez-Curry fights. The only thing one could have counted on in this kind of scoring was their supplemental points which could only be applied in the event of a draw. So let's say I scored the 9th round even (which I almost did because it was close), with a 4-4-2 score I could employ extra points for Baltazar's two knockdowns scored. Regardless, only the 5-4-1 score for Davis can be considered legit. The other two judges must've been at the concession stand most of the fight because they certainly weren't watching.

[Seamus]

Hozumi Hasegawa vs Veeraphol Sahaprom I

R1.10-9 HH
R2.10-9 HH
R3.10-10
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 HH
R6.10-9 HH
R7.10-9 VS
R8.10-9 VS
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 HH
R11.10-9 HH
R12.10-9 VS

Hozumi Hasegawa 117-114

Hasegawa fights backing up for long stretches of this bout, but he's so busy doubling up on his jab and firing 4-6 punch combinations, that he clearly has the better of the first half of the fight. Sahaprom appears to find his rhythm and appears to be taking control, when midway thru the 9th, Hasegawa digs deep and fires back with everything he has killing off Sahaprom's rally.

[Counter-puncher]

Hozumi Hasegawa vs Veeraphol Sahaprom I

R1.10-9 HH
R2.10-9 HH
R3.10-10
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 HH
R6.10-9 HH
R7.10-9 VS
R8.10-9 VS
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 HH
R11.10-9 HH
R12.10-9 VS

Hozumi Hasegawa 117-114

Hasegawa fights backing up for long stretches of this bout, but he's so busy doubling up on his jab and firing 4-6 punch combinations, that he clearly has the better of the first half of the fight. Sahaprom appears to find his rhythm and appears to be taking control, when midway thru the 9th, Hasegawa digs deep and fires back with everything he has killing off Sahaprom's rally.

Good fight. I never scored it but my memory is that I would have had it slightly wider.

Scar tissue mentioned about Veeraphol, his lead right, (to head and body), Hasegawa does a better job of negating it than nishioka did, I think because he would lead with his own left and then throw right hooks and uppercuts off it, as you say he constantly throws in threes and fours and mores, keeping Veeraphol busy (who doesn't counter much when under fire).

Other memories, though I haven't seen it in a few years, Hasegawa looks much physically stronger than Nishioka did and able to deal with the bull-like Veeraphol better. But Veeraphols stoic persistence was always admirable

Have a look at those two I mention above seamus I think you would like them, both good style clashes and back and forth fights

[Counter-puncher]

I just started scoring the Rafael Herrera - Venice Borkhorsor fight. Unfortunately I realised that the recording only has 10 rounds. I guess i will put up my scorecard but I only realised belatedly that rounds had been skipped so I'm not quite sure which early rounds I was scoring. I wonder if anyone saw it and scored it at the time?

[Counter-puncher]

Borkhorsor Herrera
10. 9
10. 9
(Rds 1/2 I think)

9. 10
9. 10
(Rds 5/6)

10. 10
10. 9
9. 10
(9-11)

10. 9
10. 9
10. 10
(13-15)

So borkhorsor is well ahead on the rounds I saw.

He is an absolutely tremendous counterpuncher with that club-like left hand. His timing is fantastic, over and over he catches Herrera just as he is about to open up with a right hand, he knocks him backwards two or three steps maybe 6 times with clean clean shots to the jaw. He also has an excellent knack of doubling, countering hard to the body and then immediately following up to the head. He's very one-handed, almost 90% of his effective work and all his hurtful work is with that mallet fist, but he's as good a counterpuncher as I have seen with it.

Herrera is no chump as a boxer but in the slower-paced early rounds he just gets picked apart with that left hand, if he triEs the 1-2 or leads with a hard right hand he just gets rocked, over and over. He does a better job later on f avoiding the left, throwing a quick distraction right hand and dipping off it to land the left hook to the body, by far his most successful punch in this fight. His best moments come when he backs the guy up and flurries, but he does miss quite a lot, and takes his share of shots in the process.

As Herreras energy wanes somewhat and he can't flurry so much, the more precise Borkhorsor starts to come back, just lighting him up with the left hand. Good fight, shame about the missing rounds.

[scartissue]

Counter, I was a big fan of Borkorsor back in the day. I thought he was a monster at flyweight (nobody absolutely kills Betulio Gonzalez and whitewashes Sallavarria) and then when he moved into bantam he destroys the big-punching Julio Guerrero. The Herrera fight was like icing on the cake as far as how far he could go, but he did tend to tail-off after this. I always wanted to find info on his win over Fernando Cabanela, who was a tall, rangy fighter whom I liked. But I never found anything written on their fight. I too was pissed when I realized I was watching an incomplete fight with Herrera. I think I actually stopped watching it rather than see it through because my scorecard was now a disaster.

[Counter-puncher]

Haha I was enjoying the fight so much I thought I'd continue. I've seen people say Herreras face was a mess but I was watching on my phone and I couldn't make it out well. I don't thing too much more is available of Borkhorsors better fights.

[Seamus]

How a whole bunch of fights from Khaosai Galaxy.

Khaosai Galaxy vs Kenji Matsumura I

R1.10-9 KM
R2.10-9 KM
R3.10-9 KM
R4.10-9 KM
R5.10-9 KG (Galaxy's right eye cut)
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 KG
R8.10-9 KG
R9.10-9 KG
R10.10-7 KG (Matsumura down once from a flurry, but punished so badly it would have been a 2 pt rd without the knockdown)
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 KM

Khaosai Galaxy 115-113

Really spirited performance from Matsumura, who controlled the fight up until Galaxy was cut. Like so many Galaxy opponents he made the mistake of trading with the champion too many times.

Khaosai Galaxy vs Kenji Matsumura II

R1.10-9 KM
R2.10-8 KM (Galaxy down from an overhand right)
R3.10-8 KG (Matsumura down from a left to the jaw)
R4.10-9 KG
R5.10-9 KG
R6.10-9 KM
R7.10-9 KG
R8.10-8 KG (Matsumura down from a left to the jaw)
R9.10-9 KG
R10.10-9 KG
R11.10-8 KG (no knockdown but total domination from Galaxy)

Khaosai Galaxy WTKO 12 (ahead on my card 106-99 at the time)

Khaosai Galaxy vs Alberto Castro

Castro wins the 2nd rd by dropping Galaxy with right hand counter to the jaw, Galaxy wins all the other rounds 10-9. In the the 10th Castro quits after getting hammered with numerous lefts and rights to the body.

Khaosai Galaxy vs Cobra Ari Blanca

Galaxy get's dropped with an overhand left in the 1st, but wins the rest of the rds ending the fight by knocking Blanca out with a right hook to the jaw. Blanca through almost non stop punches but they didn't have enough on them to slow down Galaxy.

Khaosai Galaxy vs Armando Castro (Galaxy's final bout)

R1.10-9 AC
R2.10-8 AC (Galaxy down from a flurry punctuated by a right uppercut)
R3.10-9 AC
R4.10-9 AC
R5.10-9 AC
R6.10-9 AC
R7.10-9 AC
R8.10-9 KG
R9.10-9 KG
R10.10-9 KG
R11.10-8 KG (Castro down from a flurry to the head)
R12.10-10

Armando Castro 115-112

Now guys, I definitely want your opinions on this fight, which by the way was excellent. Armando Castro does the impossible in the first 7 rds, he swarms Galaxy, overpowers and outworks him and wins more of the exchanges. Then in the 8th, Galaxy turns boxer, and does himself proud with an impressive display of sticking and moving. In the 11th he has Castro in serious trouble, but doesn't follow up in the 12th. At the finish he comes up 3 pts short on my card, but the only judges who matter have Galaxy winning by 8-8-6 pts

[Counter-puncher]

I'll check that out tomorrow if i can thanks seamus

[scartissue]

Azumah Nelson vs Juan LaPorte

R1.10-9 JL
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 AN
R4.10-9 JL
R5.10-9 AN
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 JL
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 JL
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-9 AN
R12.10-9 JL

Azumah Nelson 115-113

LaPorte makes Nelson fear his power in the 1sr round, but the showboating Nelson does just enough to win. Sad how LaPorte came up just short in some big fights.

Seamus, I'm resurrecting one of your old scorecards. The fight between Azumah Nelson and Juan Laporte which I watched today. Here's my card:

Round 1: 10-9 Laporte
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-9 Nelson
Round 4: 10-9 Laporte
Round 5: 10-9 Nelson
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Nelson
Round 8: 10-9 Nelson
Round 9: 10-9 Laporte
Round 10: 10-9 Nelson
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 117-113 Nelson

Round 6 and 12 really exemplify what Laporte was all about. I would always get infuriated with the way he would go into a trance round after round and the only thing that would wake him up is if he momentarily stunned his opponent. In rounds 6 & 12 he was in la-la land for most of the round until suddenly catching Nelson with something. I didn't feel it was enough to take the round after Nelson carried the freight most of the round, but he garnered a share in both instances. Seamus, you and I only really disagreed on the 7th round, which is good tight scoring all round.

[Counter-puncher]

Yes mate like seamus says he could make anyone, Sanchez nelson mcguigan Chavez included feel his power, he just couldn't beat them throwing 30 punches a round

Only seen it once I just recall it was an uninspiring fight where Nelson did 'just enough' to win the rounds

[scartissue]

Yes mate like seamus says he could make anyone, Sanchez nelson mcguigan Chavez included feel his power, he just couldn't beat them throwing 30 punches a round

Only seen it once I just recall it was an uninspiring fight where Nelson did 'just enough' to win the rounds

Definitely agree. Nelson wasn't awe-inspiring in anyway either in this fight. 'Just enough' sort of sums up this fight.

[Seamus]

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Koki Kameda

R1.10-9 KK
R2.10-9 PW
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 KK
R5.9-9 (1 pt taken from Wonkongkam for thumbing Kameda)
R6.10-9 PW
R7.10-9 KK
R8.10-9 KK
R9.10-9 KK
R10.10-9 PW
R11.10-9 PW
R12.10-9 PW

114-114

Koki Kameda does a good job of blocking punches and then picking his shots, but Wonjongkam rallies over the last 3 to get the draw on my card. One judge had it a draw, the others went for Wonjongkam by 3 and 4 pts.

Azumah Nelson vs Jesse James Leija II

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-8 JJL (Nelson goes down from a pair of rights to the head)
R3.10-9 JJL
R4.10-9 JJL
R5.10-9 JJL
R6.10-9 JJL
R7.10-9 JJL
R8.10-9 JJL
R9.10-8 JJL (1 pt taken from Nelson from a very questionable low blow)
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 JJL

Jesse James Leija 118-109

Outstanding performance from Leija, who used every punch in his repertoire, while Nelson relied too much on trying to land one big shot.

Jimmy Paul vs Greg Haugen

R1.10-9 GH
R2.10-9 GH
R3.10-9 JP
R4.10-9 GH
R5.10-9 GH
R6.10-9 GH
R7.10-9 GH
R8.10-9 GH
R9.10-10
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 GH
R12.10-9 JP
R13.10-9 JP
R14.10-10
R15.10-9 JP

Greg Haugen 146-142

Very poor start from Jimmy Paul, who didn't jab with authority or follow up on anything he landed over the first half of fight, while Haugen pressed the attack, body punching and jabbing effectively. Paul started his rally too late but by then had dug himself a hole too deep to get out of.

Myung Woo Yuh vs Hiroki Ioka I

R1.10-9 HI
R2.10-9 HI
R3.10-9 HI
R4.10-9 HI
R5.10-9 HI
R6.10-9 HI
R7.10-9 HI
R8.10-9 MWY
R9.10-9 MWY
R10.10-9 MWY
R11.10-9 HI
R12.10-9 MWY

Hiroki Ioka 116-112

Ioka hands Yuh the only defeat of his pro career by using his height and reach to dominate from the outside. He employs a strong jab, and throws frequent flurries behind it, but keeps moving away to keep Yuh from getting into a rhythm. Finally in the 8th, Yuh starts clawing his way back to the bout as Ioka begins to noticeably wear down. Any hopes of a victory by Yuh are dashed by Ioka stirring rally in the 11th.

[Seamus]

Jung Koo Chang vs Isidro Perez

R1.10-8 IP (Chang down from a left hook to the jaw)
R2.10-9 IP
R3.10-9 JKC
R4.10-9 JKC
R5.10-9 JKC
R6.10-9 IP
R7.10-9 IP
R8.10-9 IP
R9.10-9 IP
R10.10-9 JKC
R11.10-9 JKC
R12.10-9 IP

Isidro Perez 115-112

When Perez kept Chang on the end of his strong jab, he prevented the Korean from getting on the inside and throwing non stop punches. Thought this was a bad decision with Perez clearly landing the more effective shots.

Loreto Garza vs Juan Martin Coggi

Coggi won the 3rd and the 1st and 12th were even, Garza won the rest.
Loreto Garza 119-111

Terrible performance from Coggi, who fought like he was pacing himself for a 40 rounder.

[Counter-puncher]

Here's one i mentioned above, good little fight

Yaegashi vs Ioka straw weight unification bout

Y. I
9. 10
10. 9
9. 10
9. 10
10. 9
10. 9
9. 10
10. 9
9. 10
10. 10
9. 10
10. 9

114. 115

This is another one where any score between 115-113 to yaegashi and 116-112 to Ioka would be fine by me. Ioka the more straight up boxer with more consistent output behind his jab, yaegashi fighting more in flurries, but some of his flurries are really stirring, and what's worse for scoring they come in rounds he was otherwise losing and make scoring difficult

One judge had it the same as me, though I am sure he had different rounds, and I could see a number of scores resulting from this fight

Good little fight, recommended, usual caveat, I watched it on my phone and also my eye was possibly a little unduly caught by Yaegashis flurries.

[Counter-puncher]

Another decent all-Japanese clash, Yakushiji-Tatsuyoshi at 118lbs

Yakushiji. Tatsuyoshi
10. 9
10. 9
9. 10
9. 10
10. 9
10. 9
10. 9
10. 9
9. 10
10. 9
10. 9
9. 10

Even for a fence-sitter like me I think this is a fairly clear one to score, one judge agreed with my 116-112 score in favour of Yakushiji, I think the other judges have too much credit to Tat's occasional flurries. Yakushiji showed quite a basic amateur type style, quite upright, hands high, really pumping a solid jab and mostly straight shots. He busts Tat up with stop-jabs and counter-jabs, and catches him coming over and over again with right hands. Tat fights with hands low and isn't really good enough to do so, he moves his head ok when on he outside but as soon as he thinks offence he just comes straight in with his head up and eats shots. Yaks good use of a half-step back means Tat can't get him against the ropes often, and that's the only place he has success, in the middle of the ring at long range Yak is completely dominant and he at least holds his own from mid range too, though his punching technique is very poor inside his long arms. Tats eyes were a mess by the 7th round and looked like a Somme battlefield by the end.

One of those fights that seems closer at the end, when you haven't scored it, but upon scoring the rounds it's pretty clear to Yakushiji IMO

[scartissue]

Ike Quartey vs. Jose Luis Lopez

Don't know why I missed this fight back in the day, but better late than never. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Ike
Round 2: 10-10 Even (there was no way I was going to give this a 10-8 to Lopez for scoring a flash knockdown. He did nothing else in the round to warrant it. Ike wins the round but Lopez gets a point for the KD.)
Round 3: 10-9 Ike
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Ike
Round 6: 10-9 Ike
Round 7: 10-9 Lopez
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Ike
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-8 Lopez (Lopez scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Lopez

Total: 115-115 Draw

Lopez fought like a statue earlier in the fight allowing Quartey to get that great jab of his established. Until late in the fight he was only fighting in brief flurries, which allowed Ike to run away with the early rounds. But he did enjoy a good finish. Decent fight and a draw was a good decision.

[Seamus]

I think my card is on here recently as well.

[Seamus]

Yong Kang Kim vs Sot Chitalada

R1.10-9 SC
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 SC
R4.10-8 YKK (Chitalada rocked several times though not down)
R5.10-9 SC
R6.10-9 SC
R7.10-9 YKK
R8.10-9 YKK
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 YKK
R11.10-9 YKK
R12.10-9 YKK

Yong Kang Kim 116-113

For long stretches of the first several rounds, Kim almost look's like he doesn't want to fight. But then he suddenly explodes with flurries of punches. As the fight wears on he becomes more aggressive, and he ends up being too fast and too busy for Chitalada,

Masao Ohba vs Chartchai Chionoi

R1.5-3 CC (Ohba down and hurt from an overhand right about 40 seconds into the bout. He got hit with a few of those this round)
R2.%-4 MO
R3.5-4 MO
R4.5-4 MO
R5.5-4 MO
R6.5-4 MO
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 MO
R9.5-4 MO
R10.5-4 MO
R11.5-3 MO (Chionoi hurt but not down at the end of the round)

Chionoi down from flurries twice in the 12th and then stopped on his feet taking too much punishment. 53-45 Ohba at the time.

Outstanding performance from Ohba who survived a shaky 1st round. Chionoi started several other rounds well, but Masao Ohba just kept snapping right back into his fight plan. Of all the Asian countries, I like the way the Japanese fight the best. Frequent jabbing, with lot's of combinations behind them. They're not more durable, faster, or bigger punchers than the rest, it's just that they really stick to there fight plans. Guys like Ohba, Gushiken, and Shibata exemplify this. Chionoi took alot of hard shots, but in the end Ohba smothered him. 22 days later Ohba was killed in a crash.

Masao Ohba vs Susumu Hangata II

R1.5-4 SH
R2.5-5
R3.5-5
R4.5-4 MO
R5.5-4 MO
R6.5-4 MO
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 MO
R9.5-4 SH
R10.5-4 MO
R11.5-4 MO
R12.5-4 SH
R13.5-4 SH
R14.5-4 MO
R15.5-5

Masao Ohba 71-68

This was a much harder fight for Ohba than the Chionoi bout. Hangata showed alot more movement as well as ring smarts by tying up Ohba several times when he got tagged. He also caught Ohba with a number of solid left hooks and right crosses, but Ohba kept working the jab and killed off Hangata's late surge.

[scartissue]

Seamus, I did the Ohba-Chionoi fight awhile back. I had it a little bit closer but not by much. Here is what I wrote:

Here's another one I've just seen for the first time. The 1973 Masao Ohba v Chartchai Chionoi flyweight title fight. Man, two warriors if there ever was any. Ohba came back after a disastrous first round where he was dropped and quite obviously injured his ankle on the way down, to stop his game opponent in the 12th. Here is my card through 11 rounds. 5 point must system.

Round 1: 5-3 Chionoi (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
Round 3: 5-4 Chionoi
Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
Round 7: 5-4 Chionoi
Round 8: 5-4 Ohba
Round 9: 5-4 Ohba
Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
Round 11: 5-4 Ohba

Total: 51-47 Ohba through 11 completed rounds

Actually thought the ref would have stopped it after the second knockdown of the 12th, but they let things go on a bit longer then. Good fight.