Jack and his chances at LHW ?

ValMar
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Jack and his chances at LHW ?

Post by ValMar »

Floyd anounced Jack's next match would be at 175, probably Stevenson. What do you think about his chances, against Stevenson and other elite fighters at 175 (Kovalev, Ward, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Smith) ?
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He'll be a good addition to the division.

I wish they'd get rid of 168 and have them all move to 175. Throughout most of boxing history, 168 did not exist.
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Freedom2013 wrote:He'll be a good addition to the division.

I wish they'd get rid of 168 and have them all move to 175. Throughout most of boxing history, 168 did not exist.
I'd rather they get rid of some of the lower weight divisions where there is only a 3 pound difference between weights instead. There is no reason to have Super Flyweight sandwiched between Flyweight and Bantamweight. The same for Junior Flyweight between Flyweight and Minimumweight.
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ValMar wrote:Jack and his chances at LHW ?

Floyd anounced Jack's next match would be at 175, probably Stevenson. What do you think about his chances, against Stevenson and other elite fighters at 175 (Kovalev, Ward, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Smith) ?
Unless there are huge fight purses involved, which I highly doubt because Badou Jack isn’t a big name, then the chances of seeing him engage in any bouts involving Main Events, Golden Boy or Roc Nation promoted fighters are extremely remote. So I cannot see Badou Jack sharing the ring with the likes of Sergey Kovalev or Andre Ward anytime soon.

Other than those two guys, then he’d likely be very competitive against (and maybe even score a victory over) some of these guys:
• Adonis Stevenson
• Eleider Alvarez
• Artur Beterbiev
• Joe Smith Jr.
• Nathan Cleverly
• Juergen Braehmer
• Oleksandr Gvozdyk
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Jack's a threat to all but the very best the division has to offer I'd say. I'd pick Ward, Kovalev and Beterbiev to beat him. He's no worse than 50/50 against the rest of the division IMO.
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As a Brit I'd like to see Jack vs Cleverly. Would be another war, Clev isn't nearly as skilled as DeGale but is bigger and has a great engine at 175.
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I think Stevenson stops him. Kovalev and Beterbiev too. I give him good chances against Ward.
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He'll probably fit right in with the top guys in the division. Size shouldn't be a factor, and his skill is A plus. I thought he beat an Olympic gold medalist the other night. I wouldn't count him out against the other gold medalist at 175.
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Probably pretty good. No-one can beat him now (contrary to what the pundits say). And if he's more comfortable at the weight, he'll be even more of a handful.
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Kovalev & Beterbiev both stop him early. Ward beats him wide on points.

Jack has a decent chance against everyone else though. Could definitely see him outpointing Stevenson.
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Noxy wrote:Probably pretty good. No-one can beat him now (contrary to what the pundits say). And if he's more comfortable at the weight, he'll be even more of a handful.
No-one ??
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ValMar wrote:
Noxy wrote:Probably pretty good. No-one can beat him now (contrary to what the pundits say). And if he's more comfortable at the weight, he'll be even more of a handful.
No-one ??
You're right. I meant people who were fancied to beat him failed to do it. Underrated would have been closer to the mark
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Impractical Poster wrote:He'll probably fit right in with the top guys in the division. Size shouldn't be a factor, and his skill is A plus. I thought he beat an Olympic gold medalist the other night. I wouldn't count him out against the other gold medalist at 175.
There's a big difference between the skill level and acomplishments of DeGale and Ward. While I think Jack is a tough customer at 175, saying he could be Ward seriously underrates Ward and even Kovalev while overetimating Jack. Jack doesn't have the attirbutes Kovelev does so I don't see how he gives Ward any trouble.
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Amateur judging may be even more corrupt than pro judging devaluing those olympic titles. Unfortunately, I haven't watched any of DeGale's olympic fights. I saw a couple of Ward's, and I think that he lost the semi-final.

There is no question that Ward is a better pro boxer though.
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Re: Jack and his chances at LHW ?

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IKSRTFO wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:He'll probably fit right in with the top guys in the division. Size shouldn't be a factor, and his skill is A plus. I thought he beat an Olympic gold medalist the other night. I wouldn't count him out against the other gold medalist at 175.
There's a big difference between the skill level and acomplishments of DeGale and Ward. While I think Jack is a tough customer at 175, saying he could be Ward seriously underrates Ward and even Kovalev while overetimating Jack. Jack doesn't have the attirbutes Kovelev does so I don't see how he gives Ward any trouble.
I'm not predicting he would beat Ward. I'm saying it's not out of the question. And contrary to what you are saying, to count Jack out completely against the top guys at 175 underrates Jack's abilities.
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Get mullered by kovalev
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Oiky wrote:Get mullered by kovalev
and Beterbiev and probably Stevenson.
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boxing_rocks wrote:
Oiky wrote:Get mullered by kovalev
and Beterbiev and probably Stevenson.
:TU: agreed
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I think he beats Stevenson, competitive with anybody. Top fighter, degale too for that matter.
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Post by Jip »

none. lh is too good of a division. the top 5 lh boxer all beat him, just like all top 5 would ebat ward.
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Oiky wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
Oiky wrote:Get mullered by kovalev
and Beterbiev and probably Stevenson.
:TU: agreed

kovalev
bertebiev
gvozdyk
stevenson

all beat any super middleweight, ward included
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Jip wrote:
Oiky wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
and Beterbiev and probably Stevenson.
:TU: agreed

kovalev
bertebiev
gvozdyk
stevenson

all beat any super middleweight, ward included
you're not wrong mate
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Re: Jack and his chances at LHW ?

Post by ValMar »

Jip wrote:
Oiky wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
and Beterbiev and probably Stevenson.
:TU: agreed

kovalev
bertebiev
gvozdyk
stevenson

all beat any super middleweight, ward included
Ward ? What about judges ?
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Re: Jack and his chances at LHW ?

Post by Tarkus »

I never rated Jacks chances at super middle either but he has done very well indeed, including his thrashing of DeGale last week. Maybe he can beat Stevenson on a good day. I give him no chance against Kova or Ward.
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I think he would be shut out against ward but against the others it would be worth watching.
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