A couple of times I was very impressed with LSC work. Frampton I can't think of a particular time I was hugely impressed.Horse wrote:There wasn't much eye-catching work.TheDarkDestroyer wrote:It was enjoyable I thought. Didn't have the ferocity of the first but I still enjoyed it.
Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Revolting is a little harsh.Horse wrote:Adam Smith has a major anti-British/Irish bias.sammy95 wrote:I had Frampton by 2, but anywhere between 2 to Frampton and 2 to Santa Cruz is fair for me. Bring on the trilogy.
I'm usually a big fan of Adam Smith and think he does a great job for UK boxing, but his commentary tonight was poor, very bias. Without the check and balance of Froch and Haye, who spoke very well, you would think Santa Cruz walked to a 12 round shut out.
Revolting man.
Thought Haye came across superbly tonight though, humble and spoke about exactly what the fans needed to hear. Gone up a few notes in my book.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Horse wrote:Adam Smith has a major anti-British/Irish bias.sammy95 wrote:I had Frampton by 2, but anywhere between 2 to Frampton and 2 to Santa Cruz is fair for me. Bring on the trilogy.
I'm usually a big fan of Adam Smith and think he does a great job for UK boxing, but his commentary tonight was poor, very bias. Without the check and balance of Froch and Haye, who spoke very well, you would think Santa Cruz walked to a 12 round shut out.
Revolting man.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
No, he isn't.Cholo_cws wrote:He's a cheerleader for boxers from the British Isles.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Santa Cruz had the better moments, but I wasn't impressed with either of them.TheDarkDestroyer wrote:A couple of times I was very impressed with LSC work. Frampton I can't think of a particular time I was hugely impressed.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Yeah you know more than the guy who actually had the fight hahahhahahhahahhhHorse wrote:Frampton doesn't know what he is on about.Kilsby wrote:Ok. Your entitled to your opinion.![]()
Frampton himself said he felt Santa Cruz won. Said the brawler outboxed the boxer.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Agreed thought the addition of haye half way through the fight at first was odd but he spoke a lot of sense. I do generally think he's a very good pundit.sammy95 wrote:Revolting is a little harsh.Horse wrote:Adam Smith has a major anti-British/Irish bias.sammy95 wrote:I had Frampton by 2, but anywhere between 2 to Frampton and 2 to Santa Cruz is fair for me. Bring on the trilogy.
I'm usually a big fan of Adam Smith and think he does a great job for UK boxing, but his commentary tonight was poor, very bias. Without the check and balance of Froch and Haye, who spoke very well, you would think Santa Cruz walked to a 12 round shut out.
Revolting man.
Thought Haye came across superbly tonight though, humble and spoke about exactly what the fans needed to hear. Gone up a few notes in my book.
I do wish they'd stop yapping for the ring entrances. It's pretty ironic as half the time they're telling us the place is going crazy yet we can't really tell because we are listening to them prattle on.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Adam smith is deffo revolting- horrible, snivelling wee twat that offers no insight- just incessant noise. However he isn't anti British he just tries to paint every issue as black and white for dramatic effect to try and fool the public that what they're watching is better than it is. He's a slimey wanker.
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forcefraser
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Not a classic by any stretch, but a decent enough fight.
Had Santa Cruz by 2 to 3 rounds. Frampton is not as effective coming forwards and looked lost for ideas at times. Not that fussed on a re-match, at least not straight away.
I`d prefer a Frampton v Selby first.
Had Santa Cruz by 2 to 3 rounds. Frampton is not as effective coming forwards and looked lost for ideas at times. Not that fussed on a re-match, at least not straight away.
I`d prefer a Frampton v Selby first.
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manchester-mexican
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Had LSC by 3, thought Frampton struggled with his jab n seemed to be looking for a big shot, wasn't happy they talking bout a third fight before the second happened, all about the £££'s
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Not a huge shock the head of sky boxing "cheerleading" one of his biggest assets. I put it on mute around the 4th.Cholo_cws wrote:Horse wrote:Adam Smith has a major anti-British/Irish bias.sammy95 wrote:I had Frampton by 2, but anywhere between 2 to Frampton and 2 to Santa Cruz is fair for me. Bring on the trilogy.
I'm usually a big fan of Adam Smith and think he does a great job for UK boxing, but his commentary tonight was poor, very bias. Without the check and balance of Froch and Haye, who spoke very well, you would think Santa Cruz walked to a 12 round shut out.
Revolting man.He's a cheerleader for boxers from the British Isles.
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bigjack
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Cholo_cws wrote:I guess I want Frampton to win but I wouldn't mind McGuigan's nose being put out of joint.
I like Frampton but i'm glad the McGuigans have had their smug grins wiped off their faces,they really pissed me off with the Scott Quigg build up and changing room crap.
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gazza8
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Not as good as the first but thought Frampton was well beaten and Santa Cruz looked a class above. I feel a third match would go the same way.
Adam Smith is rubbish...everyone is a warrior and he mentions the Barrera Morales fight about 50 times during these events.
Adam Smith is rubbish...everyone is a warrior and he mentions the Barrera Morales fight about 50 times during these events.
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Boxerbeetle
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
I'm 35, but I have a 2 year old son and a 6 week old daughter, so sleep is at a premium at the best of times at the moment!TheLeprechaun wrote:Boxerbeetle wrote:Are people staying up for this? I don't have Sky Sports anymore, but it's such a good card that I'm tempted to get a Now TV weekend pass. Trouble is, I wouldn't be able to record it and staying up til Vegas time will probably ruin my sleep for the entire week. I wish I was young again.
What age are you if you don't mind me asking? Thank god I'm not old. I can stay up til 5, sleep in til about 11 or 12 and all is normal.
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Boxerbeetle
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Santa Cruz definitely won, Frampton didn't really get going. Given that Santa Cruz finished the 1st fight stronger and won the rematch more comfortably, he'd have to be a big favourite in a rubber match.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
There has to be a third match! I thought LSC knicked it but I didn't have it as wide as some folk! Maybe I'm a bit biased? I thought Frampton was excellent tonight even in defeat! The guy is a total class act and deserves the third fight over here!
Best fighter we've had on these shores since Calzaghe IMO...
Best fighter we've had on these shores since Calzaghe IMO...
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
^thisStuarty30 wrote:There has to be a third match! I thought LSC knicked it but I didn't have it as wide as some folk! Maybe I'm a bit biased? I thought Frampton was excellent tonight even in defeat! The guy is a total class act and deserves the third fight over here!
Best fighter we've had on these shores since Calzaghe IMO...
Frampton seemed a bit more erratic than usual, trying the to plant the big shot too often
LSC was excellent tonight, making him miss
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Boxerbeetle
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Surprised Santa Cruz was able to land so many jabs. I think this shows why Frampton wanted no part of Rigo, he would have been totally outboxed and wouldn't have got near him.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Horses for courses mate. That fight has no relevance to a Rigo fight.Boxerbeetle wrote:Surprised Santa Cruz was able to land so many jabs. I think this shows why Frampton wanted no part of Rigo, he would have been totally outboxed and wouldn't have got near him.
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Boxerbeetle
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Why not?Stuarty30 wrote:Horses for courses mate. That fight has no relevance to a Rigo fight.Boxerbeetle wrote:Surprised Santa Cruz was able to land so many jabs. I think this shows why Frampton wanted no part of Rigo, he would have been totally outboxed and wouldn't have got near him.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Because it's a different fight and different fighters.... Just because A beats B doesn't mean he beats C! You're a fan of the sport mate so you know how it goes....Boxerbeetle wrote:Why not?Stuarty30 wrote:Horses for courses mate. That fight has no relevance to a Rigo fight.Boxerbeetle wrote:Surprised Santa Cruz was able to land so many jabs. I think this shows why Frampton wanted no part of Rigo, he would have been totally outboxed and wouldn't have got near him.
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handsofstone
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Gutted for Frampton there were a lot of close rounds but I thought Santa Cruz was the deserved winner and credit to Carl and his team for acknowledging that, 116-113 was my final score, Frampton just never really got going and I never had him ahead at any point I don't think,i thought Santa Cruz showed a different side to him other than just ploughing forward throwing both hands, he was a lot more patient,picked his punches a lot better than he normally does, he was able to use his height and range to not only outbox Frampton on the outside but was quicker to the punch on the inside too, Frampton did look a bit flat but I think he was a bit short on ideas and felt his title was slipping away from him
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Boxerbeetle
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
No of course it doesn't mean that. But you can still assess a fighter's skills and draw conclusions as to how a prospective match-up would go.Stuarty30 wrote:Because it's a different fight and different fighters.... Just because A beats B doesn't mean he beats C! You're a fan of the sport mate so you know how it goes....Boxerbeetle wrote:Why not?Stuarty30 wrote:
Horses for courses mate. That fight has no relevance to a Rigo fight.
Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
Of course you can but it's hardly an exact science. I happen to think that Frampton beats Rigo but it's a subjective sport. There's a lot to think about when two top level guys face off. It comes down to more than who's the better boxer or who punches harder... Frampton has the tools to beat Rigo and Rigo has the tools to beat Carl. It all comes down to the night they fight ( if they do)Boxerbeetle wrote:No of course it doesn't mean that. But you can still assess a fighter's skills and draw conclusions as to how a prospective match-up would go.Stuarty30 wrote:Because it's a different fight and different fighters.... Just because A beats B doesn't mean he beats C! You're a fan of the sport mate so you know how it goes....Boxerbeetle wrote:
Why not?
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handsofstone
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Re: Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2 - The Rematch is on.
I wonder if Santa Cruz's fast start maybe played into how Frampton fought on the night,Leo hit Carl with some flush shots in the opener and Frampton tried his best not to let him get a foothold in the fight and found himself fighting slightly erratic and that set a pattern for the rest of the night