Is Manny Pacquiao the best boxer ever?

[Jip]

tell me another boxer who was 5′ 5½″ midget taking on 6'1 dudes and climbed from...

minimumweight
light f
flyweight
super f
bamtam
super b
fetherweight
super f
lightweight
super l
welterweight
super w

divisions. he climbed 12 division. i repeat it again 12 DIVIONS.

if u ask me, who is the best boxer, who would have beent he toughest to beat p4p, Id say prime Jones.
but if you guys ask me who achieved the most, than id have to say Pacquiao. so small, so many divisions, so many top names on his resume, so many action packed fights. nobody achieved more than him against those kind of opposition on top with his height and reach disadvantage.

[Tanzio]

No.

But he is a very great boxer.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sam Langford was 5'7, fought great lightweights and heavyweights. Next

[lazboy]

tell me another boxer who was 5′ 5½″ midget taking on 6'1 dudes and climbed from...

minimumweight
light f
flyweight
super f
bamtam
super b
fetherweight
super f
lightweight
super l
welterweight
super w

divisions. he climbed 12 division. i repeat it again 12 DIVIONS.

if u ask me, who is the best boxer, who would have beent he toughest to beat p4p, Id say prime Jones.
but if you guys ask me who achieved the most, than id have to say Pacquiao. so small, so many divisions, so many top names on his resume, so many action packed fights. nobody achieved more than him against those kind of opposition on top with his height and reach disadvantage.

When does 5-5 actually become a disadvantage? At lightweight or above? PAC is a genetically gifted boxer that used more brawn than brains and doesnt have much brains.

[jezzamundo]

I rate him slightly behind Floyd and ahead of Hopkins for being the greatest fighter of their generation - Manny's best wins and accomplishments are better, but he also has more blemishes than Floyd. In terms of all time greatness, I'd have him in the 30 greatest of all time, perhaps the top 25. Guys like Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Langford and Charles achieved a lot more - not in terms of the number of weight classes, but in terms of the number of great fighters they shared the ring with and often defeated. Looking more recently, I'd put Duran and Leonard clearly ahead of Manny as well.

[montrealsuper]

Pac could be the best ever - that weight class world title record won't be broken - Pac never ducked anyone and fought a style to win convincingly and to excite the world - Floyd was protected and shoehorned in by the corrupt establishment and he fought a boring style which often provoked boos - If Floyd had the courage and the talent to try to fight like Pacquiao and not duck the best opponents like he always did he would have been out of boxing by 2008 - Pacquiao's courage and electrifying style saved the sport and he transcended the sport which Floyd failed to do - Pacquiao is absolutely on the Ali level for talent and also worldwide belovedness - Pac's style was an invitation to suffer tough losses but he always bounced back like a super champion - Floyd was so terrified of losing he ducked and dodged so many fighters and used an endless inventory of shameful excuses and cowardice to protect his record because he knew he was not a draw without it - True stars don't want or need protection - Pacquiao electrified the sport and he awed the world with his speed accuracy relentless pressure and combinations and his beautiful humility - Floyd was and still is a disgusting figure who nobody wants to see fight again unless it's against Pac 2 or GGG or Conor mcGregor in a cage -

[IKSRTFO]

No

[littlepug]

No but for me he still sits at the top table with the other greats of this fantastic sport, he has been a brilliant servant to the game and will be sorely missed when he retires

[boxing_rocks]

There is no and will never such thing as "the best boxer ever" unless they make a boxing robot.

[gilgamesh]

No, but he's certainly one of the best if not THE best Asian boxer ever.

[gilgamesh]

There is no and will never such thing as "the best boxer ever" unless they make a boxing robot.

Even then it'd be topped because they'd just make a better one later.

[tiny_acres]

Definitely an atg. But not even the best of his generation.
Solid top 50 atg. But behind Mayweather.
And only slightly above Hopkins.
Still a remarkable fighter

[phillykid]

No, but he's certainly one of the best if not THE best Asian boxer ever.

he's like the Asian Roberto Duran lol, seriously it's amazing to see pac after all these years still fighting at the elite level.

he's not as good as he used to be yet he's beating and taking belts like its candy from young hungry welterweights who are in their prime.

regardless of where you place him among the all time greats, his career and legacy will no doubt be remembered much more fondly than that of his peers (cotto, mayweather, bradley).

[man]

no. but he is up there with the
greats ...

[Jip]

No, but he's certainly one of the best if not THE best Asian boxer ever.

he is by far the best asian

[Jip]

Sam Langford was 5'7, fought great lightweights and heavyweights. Next

back than 5'7 was tall and his opponents werent much taller than 5'7, so its equal.

sam langford climbed 9 divisions. manny 12.

sam langford had 7 draws and 1 loss in his first 19 fights, thats ultra bad.

[Jip]

I rate him slightly behind Floyd and ahead of Hopkins for being the greatest fighter of their generation - Manny's best wins and accomplishments are better, but he also has more blemishes than Floyd. In terms of all time greatness, I'd have him in the 30 greatest of all time, perhaps the top 25. Guys like Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Langford and Charles achieved a lot more - not in terms of the number of weight classes, but in terms of the number of great fighters they shared the ring with and often defeated. Looking more recently, I'd put Duran and Leonard clearly ahead of Manny as well.

hopkins has 0 on pac. hopkins was less fast, less athletic, less good boxer than manny. hold and pot shot, thats the name of hopkins game. mannys game was punching 1000000 punches, with the best condition we have ever seen, blasting punches high volume from 1 to last round and than even have condition left for another 3rds. hopkins was well conditioned, but safed energy, rarely punching. hopkins boxed in 3 divisions and was very unsuccesful in his third division. manny climbed 12 and was succesful from start to finish, with some road blocks, but overall the best succuss story a boxer has ever had.

name me one boxer, who climbed 12 divisions and had the success against the quality names he had? just one!

[Jip]

you guys always talk about achievemants and you rate your p4p lists based on achievemants, but when i ask you who did what manny did, than nobody can answer me, or guys come up with joke answers, like langford, who had this record at the start of his career 33 wins 6 losses 15 draws, just an awful record and you people who make no sense at all come to me "omachenko didnt achieve enough, he didnt have enough fights against meaningful opponents. but yet when a guy climbes 12 division which nobody has ever done history and beats mexican legends morales, marquez, barrera and so many other great than you say "he is slightly above hopkins", like hopkins did anything close to climbing 12 divisions and being so impressiv against a class opponents. hopkins lost to taylor when hopkins was arguably still prime and taylor was b level who got hammered by b level super middleweight like abraham.

even prime jones said:" a fight against prime pac in a p4p sense would have been tough"

[Jip]

you allmake no sense.

[Jip]

if just one person would admit.

"yeah jip its true, climbing 12 division is more than phenomenal, what a career, nobody has and probably will ever do that. also boxing opponents who were around 6'0 and avoided by the supposed to be best of the generation floyd, but manny took margarito on as a 5'5 midget and won impressiv also deserves credit. the taller, with more reach floyd didnt take the risks the much smaller manny took, deserves credit. those achievemants manny had make him amongs the very best in boxing, atg top 5 easily."

than i would say finaly somebody makes sense. but you guys are so illogical, less well off that you dont see the big picture and the big picture is that you contradict yourself. if you rate boxers based on achievemants, meaning: how many fights did he had and how good were his opponents and did he climbed divisions to test himself against others in higher divisions?

than manny has to be recognized as the best boxer ever. cause he had a lot of fights, against high quality opponents and always tested himself in higher division, 12 division which is history cause nobody ever did it!

he didnt take 1 year vacation floyd to avoid paul williams and antonio margarito. he didnt came into bad shape as a 34 year old like leonard did. he came always in tip top shape, fighting the best and delivering action.

[Kalan]

Pac never ducked anyone ... Floyd was and still is a disgusting figure who nobody wants to see fight again unless it's against Pac 2 or GGG or Conor mcGregor in a cage -

You're a Floyd hater and Pac lover... If Floyd fought Keith Thurman or Kell Brook 10 X as many people would have bought PPV than watched his Berto fight... A World Welterweight Title Unification Fight instead of a sparring match with an incompetent boxer who no chance in Hell of winning.

Pacquiao is a chickenshat ducker if Floyd ever was.. There was never any chance Pac would fight Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, Errol Spence, Shawn Porter, or Terence Crawford.. He went with light hitters: Brandon Rios, Chris Aligieri, Tim Bradley, Jesse Vargas and anyone else he was almost certain to beat.. Pac has a lot of accomplishments, but he's also been knocked out 3 times among 8 fights that he didn't win -- and that's ducking some powerful hitters.

[Jip]

Pac never ducked anyone ... Floyd was and still is a disgusting figure who nobody wants to see fight again unless it's against Pac 2 or GGG or Conor mcGregor in a cage -

You're a Floyd hater and Pac lover... If Floyd fought Keith Thurman or Kell Brook 10 X as many people would have bought PPV than watched his Berto fight... A World Welterweight Title Unification Fight instead of a sparring match with an incompetent boxer who no chance in Hell of winning.

Pacquiao is a chickenshat ducker if Floyd ever was.. There was never any chance Pac would fight Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, Errol Spence, Shawn Porter, or Terence Crawford.. He went with light hitters: Brandon Rios, Chris Aligieri, Tim Bradley, Jesse Vargas and anyone else he was almost certain to beat.. Pac has a lot of accomplishments, but he's also been knocked out 3 times among 8 fights that he didn't win -- and that's ducking some powerful hitters.

yeah and pac fought margarito, cotto, marquez and mayweather, those 4 guys are so inferior to thurman, spence, crawford and porter

[Monte Fisto]

one of the best, one of the bravest and one of the most entertaining. not much to dislike.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

The whole 12 divisions thing is misleading. As a desperate 16 year old Pac once weighed in at 106lbs (strawweight ends at 105) and at tail end of his peak he once fought an only decent and past-best beltholder who weighed 150lbs. Even being maximally generous you can only say he "climbed" 11 divisions, which is an interesting accomplishment even with no context though not unprecedented. Langford managed 8 divisions by same standards (LWW to HW (226lbs opponents)), Jimmy Mclarlin managed 12 (SW to LMW), while George Carpentier managed a preposterous 16 (LFlW to HW (heaviest opponent 197lbs but also fought for the Heavyweight title).

With only a little context Carpentier's accomplishment looks a little less impressive but you haven't given any context for Pac's rise in weight either.

The truth is that he was a precociously ferocious teenager who was able to become briefly a Flyweight beltholder before later hitting his peak between Featherweight and Welterweight. He has beaten absolute ATGs Barrera, Morales and Marquez and likely HOFers Cotto, Hatton and Bradley and a few other decent fighters. He has great ability and a great resume - being a lock for top 50 ever and plausibly top 30 isn't to be sniffed at or diminished at all. Some of us just think there are a few better fighters out there that's all.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Sam Langford was 5'7, fought great lightweights and heavyweights. Next

back than 5'7 was tall and his opponents werent much taller than 5'7, so its equal.

sam langford climbed 9 divisions. manny 12.

sam langford had 7 draws and 1 loss in his first 19 fights, thats ultra bad.