ALI AND HIS LOOKS.

[vatech1983]

Ali boxed for decades yet he did not have a boxers nose......Anyone know why he did not have flat nose.........Did he have surgury...?? pls post............... ..........

[Caractacus]

my guess it would have been probably because the bone structure in his nasal cavity.
He may not have had a prominent projecting bone in-side of it to have gotten broken.

[davie]

My face is so pretty, you don't see a scar, which proves I'm the king of the ring by far. - Muhammad Ali

[Caractacus]

the only times that I've seen Muhammad Ali even get a little cut
were in his fights with Bob Foster and Leon Spinks.
Foster gave him a small cut above the left eye
and Leon Spinks gave him a cut on his cheek inside his mouth I think.
Joe Bugner gave Ali a "White Eye" when the two were sparring in 1970.

[Tony1244]

the only times that I've seen Muhammad Ali even get a little cut
were in his fights with Bob Foster and Leon Spinks.
Foster gave him a small cut above the left eye
and Leon Spinks gave him a cut on his cheek inside his mouth I think.
Joe Bugner gave Ali a "White Eye" when the two were sparring in 1970.

I believe Ron Lyle gave Ali a bloody nose.

[Caractacus]

When Muhammad Ali was training for his fight with Larry Holmes in 1980.
He sparred with Jeff Sims who cut Ali's lip so bad it required ten stictches.

[Kalan]

Ali boxed for decades yet he did not have a boxers nose......Anyone know why he did not have flat nose.........Did he have surgury...?? pls post............... ..........

Ali had a Wes Unseld type of nose... One time Unseld took a savage elbow right on the snout.. His whole face swelled up badly, but nothing happened to his nose... He said "My nose is like steel. It never gets hurt or broken." ... It's like some guys can bend steel bars over their heads, butt their head through a wall, or lift a truck with their teeth.. Some guys have a neck that doesn't quit.. Cannonball Richards let anyone punch him in the stomach.. He even had a cannon ball shoot him directly in the stomach.. Ali had a tough nose but Cooper had it bleeding in their first fight.

However the damage a boxer gets from head shots mark the brain more than anything else... After a while some hammered brains look like Swiss Cheese.

[Cygnus475]

Hmm...perhaps it had something to do with the fact he was one of the fastest and most evasive heavyweights...? Ali knew how to slip with punches and react at the last second. He often would not let his opponents get the chance and they had to go at the body.

[Kalan]

Hmm...perhaps it had something to do with the fact he was one of the fastest and most evasive heavyweights...? Ali knew how to slip with punches and react at the last second. He often would not let his opponents get the chance and they had to go at the body.

Hmmm... Ali wasn't that fast or evasive... But you point out 1 reason why Ali got punched in the head so much. Because if he evaded punches at the last second -- that's way too slow -- because a punch can be delivered in a fraction of a second.. And maybe it was because Ali tried to pull straight back from punches and got nailed...and laid on the ropes too much.

Ali didn't fight many guys as quick as Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Leon Spinks, or Larry Holmes -- so he got away with really bad mistakes.. He was particularly wide open for left hooks, which Norton broke his jaw with and Frazier, Cooper, and Banks decked him clean with.

What about all the boxers who've never been knocked down and never suffered a lot of head trauma? There's several of them.

Ike Ibeabuchi, Vitali Klitschko, and Oliver McCall, who are retired and never knocked down -- and Gennady Golovkin, Errol Spence, Terence Crawford, Anthony Joshua, and several others who are active and never floored... Tunney was knocked down only once in his career of 84 fights... Carlos Monzon was knocked down in his 14th fight, where he took a beating from a more experienced fighter ... and also knocked down in his 100th and last fight.

[Cygnus475]

Hmm...perhaps it had something to do with the fact he was one of the fastest and most evasive heavyweights...? Ali knew how to slip with punches and react at the last second. He often would not let his opponents get the chance and they had to go at the body.

Hmmm... Ali wasn't that fast or evasive...

[SteveO]

Ali wasn't that fast or evasive

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe you said that that.
Ali was the fastest heavyweight of all time. Certainly pre 1970. Admitedly he slowed a bit after that and had to change his style a bit.

[vatech1983]

No one is really answering the question.......Ali boxed since age 12 till 1981..............when he was 39..........How did he not have a boxer's nose................did he have some type of surgury to straighten it out form being flattened from taking so many punches..........? Mike tyson's nose does appear to be super flat either.................

[Kalan]

Ali wasn't that fast or evasive

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe you said that that.
Ali was the fastest heavyweight of all time. Certainly pre 1970. Admitedly he slowed a bit after that and had to change his style a bit.

Ali wasn't fast enough to get away from big punches. Every time Ali suffered a knockdown he was still in his 20's. When he got his jaw shattered he was only 31, so it wasn't age. The speediest and most skilled boxers didn't get clocked like he did. Some were never dropped. Some got dropped once or twice.. How many times was Salvador Sanchez dropped??? How many times was Gene Tunney dropped??? How many times was Willie Pep dropped in his first 109 fights??? He was almost killed in an airplane accident at that point. He spent 4 months in a body cast.. The crash knocked him unconscious for a number of hours and cost him his chin. Pep was forced to make adjustments and was never the same, though he fought until he was 46. But most boxers shouldn't make changes due to age unless they suffer a disability of some kind. Your body and physicality doesn't change that much up to 38 or 39. Though you tend to add weight. Some, like Hagler, never add weight.

Ali never changed his style... He was always an outside boxer and mover like Tunney, which he should have perfected because that was his natural style. When he laid on the ropes or hid behind his gloves is when he took a lot of punishment. You do that to buy time, but you should be in shape to go a hard 20 rounds. Originally Title Fights were 25 rounds. At the end of a hard fought fight you should still have gas left in the tank. You never saw Floyd Mayweather do crap like that at 38. You're supposed to develop greater skills by that age which go a long way towards making up for any physical deterioration.

[Cygnus475]

Hey kalan, im in a good mood. Enlighten me. List 5 heavyweights who were faster than Ali...screw it list 3.

[Kalan]

Holmes for 1.. He retained enough speed at 42 to easily get away from Ray Mercer's best shots, and at 45 to evade Oliver McCall's best shots... Ali couldn't do that.. Of course Holmes hit Ali with hundreds of shots and Ali never hit Holmes with a decent punch... Holmes easily stopped Ali.

Tunney for another... He was a slick and quick evader. He only ever caught with one knockdown shot in a career of over 80 fights.

AJ is another... He's much more aggressive and is able to control the ring against bigger and stronger men than Ali fought. He's speedy enough to evade the shots Ali got clubbed with. Nobody would try to match a bleeder like 185-pound Henry Cooper against Joshua. It would be murder. Cooper was 27-8-1, and a virtual punching bag, but almost knocked Ali out.

Ortiz for another... He controls his fights and evades his opponent's best shots more fluidly and deftly than Ali ever did.. He has twice the amateur experience Ali had and is 27-0 in 27 pro fights.. Ortiz has never been floored.. When Ali was 31-1 at 29, he had already suffered 3 knockdowns.. Ali was beaten by neophyte pro Leon Spinks at 36.. Ortiz is already 37 and is speedy and powerful enough to wipe the floor quickly with any boxer of that caliber.

David Haye for another... He's not only faster in slipping punches than Ali was, but much more powerful.. His KO ratio is 87%. His withering hand speed would wipe somebody like Alfredo Evangelista in a few seconds.. Johnny Carson said Ali and Evangelista "Where just awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for Promoting Non-Violence in Boxing."

There's many more much faster than Ali... But that's a random 5.

[Sidney Carton]

Hey kalan, im in a good mood. Enlighten me. List 5 heavyweights who were faster than Ali...screw it list 3.

Doug Jones was noticably faster than Ali. With both left jab and right hand.

It's right there on film.

For ten full rounds.

[SteveO]

Doug Jones was noticably faster than Ali. With both left jab and right hand.

It's right there on film.

For ten full rounds.

Really?
And yet Ali outscored him!
Both ringside judges each had it 5-4-1 to Ali and the scoring referee had it 8-1-0 to Ali - I guess they were all wrong!

[Cygnus475]

Why am i not surprised. Kalan says ali cant be that fast because of his performance against larry holmes at 38 years of age and suffering from parkinsons...lmao.

Anthony joshua hasnt fought anyone yet...im probably faster than joshua.

Luis ortiz...? Yeah, no.

Doug jones...? If he was that fast he would have won honestly. Ali was a novice in terms or ring iq and experience when they fought so the more physically gifted fighter should have won.

Holmes is very debatable but i certainly wouldnt say so based on his fights with mercer and a shot Ali.

Haye is possible. Id need to see a side by side comparison and frame by frame rate. He definitely doesnt have faster legs. Haye is still a puss for not fighting briggs.

[Kalan]

They all were wrong actually... Especially the outlier score of the referee...what fight was he watching??? The ref knew it was his job to give the fight to Ali, so he just made the job easy on himself... Ali was tremendous box office and Jones would have had to beat him something fierce to get the decision.

[Kalan]

Cygnus475... You're not faster than Joshua... His right hand would hit you between the eyes before the sound of the bell faded away. Joshua was a sprinting champion and Ali was slow afoot. He admitted he couldn't beat Wilma Rudolf when he challenged her to a race she destroyed him. I think the difference in speed between Joshua and Wladimir will amaze a lot of people.. WK says he can easily read anything AJ does.. Let's see that in action, because that's bull..

Ortiz doesn't run.. There are certain people who think only stickers and movers are fast.. The guys who jab and run.. It actually takes more hand speed and foot speed to control the center of the ring and force your opponent to move around you.. He may look fleeter of foot to some people because he's running and doing a lot more footwork, and has to maneuver out of corners -- and if he's actually landing more punches he really IS faster.. but if he's getting outpunched as Jones was outpunching Ali then Jones is faster. Ortiz easily outpunched every man he's faced and you can't say that about Ali.

I had Jones winning 7 rounds to 3 with 2 fairly close rounds vs Ali, so I wasn't surprised that Ali won the decision.. When you're fighting a name like Ali you have to make it easier for the judges than that.. They're dead set against giving you rounds so you have to force them give you the rounds.

Haye doesn't run either.. He maneuvered around Klitschko and Chisora because they had over 30 pounds on him.. but you never saw Haye on the ropes against those guys except for maybe 6 seconds against Wladimir.. And you never saw Haye getting nailed with hooks like Ali.. You never saw him trapped in a corner taking punishment like Norton got Ali..

I notice you didn't say a lot about Tunney and Holmes.. They were flat out quicker than Ali.

[Cygnus475]

Hey dumbass, it doesnt matter how fast you can run track, swim, or shoot hoops in boxing.

[Kalan]

Yes it does you brainless jerk... Athleticism, strength, speed, and conditioning is big in every major sport... If you're a winner in one sport you're more likely to be a winner in another.. Until lately Boxing was a sport were most all of the combatants never went to college or were exposed to other competitive sports at a high level.. That's changing because just about every super athletic kid goes to college these days. James Smith was the first Heavyweight Champion with a college degree... That's really astounding.

[Counter-puncher]

When you say Joshua was a sprint champion can you please give me the titles or races he won, with his 11.53 second time? Thanks.

[Kalan]

He had to be faster than that.

[Counter-puncher]

He had to be faster than that.

Prove it, or be proven a liar again.

Google Anthony Joshua 100 metres and prove me wrong, you filthy liar.

Anthony Joshua was not a sprint champion and that was just another lie you pulled out of your ass.