Sanctioning rules for lower belts

[armageto]

With Buzz having Mayweather stripped, it made me think there are no sanctioning rules for the lower belts, such as IBO, MGM, and LMW. I think we all concur that those 3 belts are considered somewhat "Lower" tiered belts? So for a way to improve the name recognition of said belts and giving title holders some guidelines, I thought of these:

1. If the main belts have to defend 1-15, let's make these belts defend 16-30 in the rankings. Even if a CPU operated fighter is ranked within 16-30, then they have to be pretty good, so it should be an allowable defense. A lower tiered belt holder can defend against anyone higher than 16 (1-15), but only 11-15 would be eligible to win the belt, as you can read in idea number 3.

2. If any boxer that has one of these belts wishes to challenge for a major belt, they can do so. Assuming they win, they have to forfeit the lower title, which would be fought by the next two agreeing managers after #15. In the case they were to lose, they can go back and retain/defend their original belt. I think this would allow more matchup possibilities, knowing they can keep their belt.

3. Any boxer listed inside the top 10 can't fight for a lower tiered belt. They should be concentrating on a major belt with their ranking. I was going to say top 15, but at least top 10 would give the belt holder a few more options on who to fight, so they could move up and position themselves for a major world title. If a lower tiered belt holder was to face a top 10 fighter (Aside a major belt holder), and lose, said belt would be vacated and fought by the next two agreeing managers ranked after #15.

4. Though it doesn't happen often, the three lower tiered belt champions can fight each other and own multiple lower tiered belts.

What does everyone think? Also, as far as Mayweather, if he defends against anyone in the 16-30 range, I have no problem with him keeping his belt.

[BoxBuzz]

Good idea.....

Seems that the rules up to this time were....whatever feels good.


If it's buzz, let's strip him. He's nothin' but a low down, no good, double dealin, back stabbin', larcenous, perverted worm!

[armageto]

Good idea.....

Seems that the rules up to this time were....whatever feels good.


If it's buzz, let's strip him. He's nothin' but a low down, no good, double dealin, back stabbin', larcenous, perverted worm!

I feel we never had any set rules for the lower tiered belts. At least now, maybe with some tinkering, we can have set guidelines. I feel if Mayweather defends against someone ranked 16-30, he should be able to retain his belt.

[Crease]

1. If the main belts have to defend 1-15, let's make these belts defend 16-30 in the rankings. Even if a CPU operated fighter is ranked within 16-30, then they have to be pretty good, so it should be an allowable defense.

Certainly we could tighten up with the minor belts to make them top 30 only, I have no problem with that.

My only concern is with the Light Middleweight title, there aren't that many Light Middles in the rankings, so the LM champ might struggle with finding a top 30 guy in the same weight class. As such I think that we should keep the LM belt open to anyone of that weight class (not in the top 15).

A lower tiered belt holder can defend against anyone higher than 16 (1-15), but only 11-15 would be eligible to win the belt, as you can read in idea number 3.

I'm not too sure about that one. Top 15 guys should be looking at our 4 World Championships rather than bullying lower ranked opposition.

2. If any boxer that has one of these belts wishes to challenge for a major belt, they can do so. Assuming they win, they have to forfeit the lower title, which would be fought by the next two agreeing managers after #15. In the case they were to lose, they can go back and retain/defend their original belt.

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We have already sanctioned this twice already this season. If the lower ranked guy wins, be becomes a new World Champ, if he loses he defends his minor title the following week.

3. Any boxer listed inside the top 10 can't fight for a lower tiered belt. They should be concentrating on a major belt with their ranking. I was going to say top 15, but at least top 10 would give the belt holder a few more options on who to fight, so they could move up and position themselves for a major world title..

Think of it this way:

Every week we have 4 World title fights - so the following week we have 4 World Champs and 4 defeated opponents. So that's 8 fighters.

None of those 8 (out of the top 15) are eligible for World title opportunities because they are either Champions or coming off a loss.

So that leaves 7 other fighters who have to make up the 4 World title shots between them. Essentially, we need the top 15 to be looking at the World titles so that we have defenses each and every week.

The top 15 should be looking upwards, not downwards.

4. Though it doesn't happen often, the three lower tiered belt champions can fight each other and own multiple lower tiered belts.

I disagree with this.

The top fighters have 4 World titles to view for, the lower guys only have the 2 - IBO & MGM. We need to keep them separate to maximise opportunities for the guys who are struggling to break in to the top 20 or so.

[armageto]

Well, to touch on some points:

1. We can make the 154 belt defenses from 16-40, to open up more room. We just need to set a solid range where a champ knows who he must defend against. If you can't make the top 40, you really shouldn't be fighting for a belt. With that said, Buzz shouldn't have been stripped without a defense guideline, or fair warning.

2. In order for a lower tiered belt holder to move up the rankings at a good pace, he'll need to fight people ahead of him. Thus anyone ranked outside 10 should be eligible for the belt, if the opportunity was to arise. Prime example, Steele wants to move up and wants to take on Burley at #11. If Steele was to lose, in today's ruling, the belt is vacated. We can cut down on vacated belts, while giving lower ranked guys better fights to move up. The fight would be more enticing to Burley to take, with a minor belt on the line.

3. Being able to hold onto minor belt while challenging for a major one, assuming a loss, has never been an actual rule, so we should make it official.

4. "The top 15 should be looking upwards, not downwards" yet the #3 ranked fighter was interested in a shot at the 154 belt next week and the #10 fighter is fighting for the IBO this week? So we're not even following that line of thinking.

5. Agree, I guess we shouldn't mix the lower belts.

[Crease]

1. We can make the 154 belt defenses from 16-40, to open up more room. We just need to set a solid range where a champ knows who he must defend against. If you can't make the top 40, you really shouldn't be fighting for a belt.

Fair enough.
As of next week the IBO & MGM titles will be fought for only by challengers ranked 16-30.
The Light Middleweight strap limit will be 40th...

With that said, Buzz shouldn't have been stripped without a defense guideline, or fair warning.

One every Matchup page is does say - CPU opposition is discouraged and frowned upon.

2. In order for a lower tiered belt holder to move up the rankings at a good pace, he'll need to fight people ahead of him.

That's is not necessarily true. If a minor belt holder kept defending and winning his fights, he would inevitably move up as others lost fights & slip blow him.

3. Being able to hold onto minor belt while challenging for a major one, assuming a loss, has never been an actual rule, so we should make it official.

It's will be official as of next week.

4. "The top 15 should be looking upwards, not downwards" yet the #3 ranked fighter was interested in a shot at the 154 belt next week and the #10 fighter is fighting for the IBO this week? So we're not even following that line of thinking

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The 3rd ranked fighter (Benvenuti) will most likely be too highly ranked to fight for the Light Middleweight title. So that's unlikely to be sanctioned.

The 10th ranked fighter (Cerdan) is the Prizefighter Champ, tradition dictates that he gets a title shot this week.

[gilgamesh]

OH SO NOW you're making the Light Middleweight Title open to anyone not in the Top 15. I was under the assumption it was to any Light Middleweight. Absolute crap that Nino Benvenuti has stamped himself as far and away the #1 Jr. Middleweight going and he can't be honored as such.

[Crease]

OH SO NOW you're making the Light Middleweight Title open to anyone not in the Top 15. I was under the assumption it was to any Light Middleweight.

When has a Light Middleweight ranked inside the top 10 ever challenged for the Light Middleweight title?

[Crease]

Absolute crap that Nino Benvenuti has stamped himself as far and away the #1 Jr. Middleweight going and he can't be honored as such.

You do realise that Sugar Ray Leonard is also a Light Middleweight and he is ranked higher than Nino.

And realistically, with Nino's ranking (3rd) he would be expected to be targeting a shot at a World Championship...

I mean, what's the point of journeying so far up the mountain if you don't try to reach the peak?

[gilgamesh]

OH SO NOW you're making the Light Middleweight Title open to anyone not in the Top 15. I was under the assumption it was to any Light Middleweight.

When has a Light Middleweight ranked inside the top 10 ever challenged for the Light Middleweight title?

When have we ever had a Light Middleweight Title prior to this season?

[Crease]

When have we ever had a Light Middleweight Title prior to this season?

Nope. We've never had a lower weight belt before this season.
And I think that I'm right in saying that top 10 guys haven't been fighting for the Light Middleweight title.

[gilgamesh]

When have we ever had a Light Middleweight Title prior to this season?

Nope. We've never had a lower weight belt before this season.
And I think that I'm right in saying that top 10 guys haven't been fighting for the Light Middleweight title.

Whatever rules you gotta make up to screw over my fighters huh?

[Crease]

Whatever rules you gotta make up to screw over my fighters huh?

Your perception is your reality...

[gilgamesh]

Whatever rules you gotta make up to screw over my fighters huh?

Your perception is your reality...

Nah, you've been trying to screw me over in the Sim since Day 1. That's why you're one of my key rivals that I enjoy beating up most. You're always f*cking me over and instating rules that don't apply to anybody but me.

Greb not getting a shot at the MGM Grand Cup when he was within eligibility, and Hopkins getting a shot in spite of being ranked TOO high to be eligible was a shining example of you reinventing rules just to go against me.

[Crease]

Nah, you've been trying to screw me over in the Sim since Day 1. That's why you're one of my key rivals that I enjoy beating up most. You're always f*cking me over and instating rules that don't apply to anybody but me.

Greb not getting a shot at the MGM Grand Cup when he was within eligibility, and Hopkins getting a shot in spite of being ranked TOO high to be eligible was a shining example of you reinventing rules just to go against me.

You have a funny way of looking at things, Mr Gilgamesh. You're definitely developing a siege mentality this season.

It kinda reminds me of the old question:
If a liar tells you that he always tells lies - is he lying?

[gilgamesh]

Nah, you've been trying to screw me over in the Sim since Day 1. That's why you're one of my key rivals that I enjoy beating up most. You're always f*cking me over and instating rules that don't apply to anybody but me.

Greb not getting a shot at the MGM Grand Cup when he was within eligibility, and Hopkins getting a shot in spite of being ranked TOO high to be eligible was a shining example of you reinventing rules just to go against me.

You have a funny way of looking at things, Mr Gilgamesh. You're definitely developing a siege mentality this season.

It kinda reminds me of the old question:
If a liar tells you that he always tells lies - is he lying?

Nah you just think I'm not paying attention to how you've been screwing me over since I started in the Sim, and I am.

It's alright though. You can't keep a better manager down, and this week as a reward for your treacherous behavior you'll receive a KO loss at the hands of Tommy Ryan.

[Crease]

this week as a reward for your treacherous behavior you'll receive a KO loss at the hands of Tommy Ryan.

If Tommy wins, I will be the first one to congratulate you.

[p4p1]

OH SO NOW you're making the Light Middleweight Title open to anyone not in the Top 15. I was under the assumption it was to any Light Middleweight. Absolute crap that Nino Benvenuti has stamped himself as far and away the #1 Jr. Middleweight going and he can't be honored as such.

Clearly forgetting about the real number 1 LMW. You might've heard of him SRL.

[armageto]

Glad we have some guidelines now at least for champs defending their 3 lower belts. I still do feel that if Buzz defended this week against a top 40 opponent, he should be able to retain if he won. Yeah, it does say cpu opponents are frowned upon, but it also doesn't say you will be stripped. At least given a warning or time to adjust his fight plan. Just my opinion....

[gilgamesh]

this week as a reward for your treacherous behavior you'll receive a KO loss at the hands of Tommy Ryan.

If Tommy wins, I will be the first one to congratulate you.

While plotting how to screw me over again

[BoxBuzz]

Not to worry, the "GilgaBuzz" rules are their to protect the children.

Imagine if our camps were treated as mere mortals? The carnage that would ensue would be unimaginably cruel and graphic.


It's best that our two camps remain under house arrest.