Povetkin's 'B' sample doping test returns POSITIVE!!

[bigman1968]

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

Don't be stupid... Boxers don't generally use PEDs... Boxers in the 60's and 70's used PEDs all the time because they were LEGAL to use.. When PEDs were outlawed most everybody but a few idiots stopped using them.. Most of the time when guys were caught it was inadvertent usage.. They had no idea they had even taken anything illegal -- but it was in their food or supplement or medication they were taking or whatever... There's so damned many PED's today it's hard to keep track.. Why would anybody cheat when everybody who tests positive is flagged and their reputation is sullied???

Povetkin never used a damned thing and fought recently.. He's not guilty of any PED use at any time, but the criminals at VADA -- like ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte -- have targeted him because Ryabinsky outbid all American promoters for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight and they were pissed as Hell... It turns out Povetkin passed ALL his tests for Wilder, and VADA and the WBC even admitted it -- but it's just not being played up in the American media because he's a Russian, and VADA and the WBC got away with very mealy mouthed language in admitting they were wrong..

Wait until Ryabinsky's and Povetkin's lawsuits hit the fan... If they win they're going to follow up and turn Boxing up-side-down -- and expose VADA and the WBC.. Believe me, Povetkin and Ryabinsky are angry and pissed off as Hell about being targeted and lied about.. Every other testing agency used besides VADA tested Povetkin clean.. They're all accredited and VADA has been wrong so often it tells you something is rotten in Denmark.. The WBC is insisting all it's champions and contenders sign up for their "Clean Boxing Program" and they're forcing them to use VADA.. They're supposed to be the "Voluntary" testing agency.. Why do you think Ward refused to use VADA for the Rodriquez fight... He said, "Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA" ... Conte can't go near a competitive Track and Field athlete.. Why do you suppose that is???

You keep mentioning Victor Conte. What exactly is his role in VADA?

None. But don't confuse idiots with facts

[Badhusker]

First of all your assumptions does not make it true that every top fighter in the last 30+ years used PEDS, and every athlete in the world. Crazy unfounded statement to make, imo. If Victor Conte is correct, he said failing a drug test is more like failing an intelligent test. The dumb ones get caught. With all that said, not every athlete in the last 30+ years is guilty of using PEDS. It is more naive to think they are guilty than not.

I truly believe that there are clean athletes, and a lot of them that care about their health. By the way, I guess we can all blame Floyd Mayweather for getting the random testing thing going. I think it is a good thing.

Good post. I also agree random testing is what's best for the sport. It will save lives

Save lives? If you're concerned with saving lives ban the sport. If you're concerned with athletes health, ban all sports. They're not healthy pursuits, not good for any sort of longevity in terms of wellness. Don't buy your cigarette smoking, alcohol swigging representatives bull crap.

Your line of thinking is pretty twisted, and down right idiotic in my opinion. Ban all sports? We have laws in place for a reason.
Why have speed limits? If it saves lives, which is proven. Its like saying forget that, if we want to save lives we should just ban all motor vehicles. Maybe a stupid analogy, but no less stupid than your idea.
There should be a way to even the playing field other than make it wide open so everyone can cheat. It is not only dangerous to their health, but dangerous to their opponent's health. Why not just open it up so it is legal for everyone also to box with loaded gloves? Boxing IS a dangerous sport, which makes it even more important to have safeguards in place like drug testing.

[boxing_rocks]

Boxing is a sport, and like in all sports, athletes will take chemicals improving their performance and industry will keep inventing new ones which are not yet banned and find ways to hide already banned ones.

It is hypocritical to allow sport where you can impose a brutal beating and send an opponent to coma but disallow athletes to take something improving breathing, blood circulation, endurance, etc.

[joe strong]

Yes let him box again but drop him from rankings for an extended period (At least a year) & don't allow him to fight for any regional or world belt for the same amount of time. Give him a hefty fine as well because he failed 2 tests. He needs to be held accountable.

[punchoutsb]

Good post. I also agree random testing is what's best for the sport. It will save lives

Save lives? If you're concerned with saving lives ban the sport. If you're concerned with athletes health, ban all sports. They're not healthy pursuits, not good for any sort of longevity in terms of wellness. Don't buy your cigarette smoking, alcohol swigging representatives bull crap.

Your line of thinking is pretty twisted, and down right idiotic in my opinion. Ban all sports? We have laws in place for a reason.
Why have speed limits? If it saves lives, which is proven. Its like saying forget that, if we want to save lives we should just ban all motor vehicles. Maybe a stupid analogy, but no less stupid than your idea.
There should be a way to even the playing field other than make it wide open so everyone can cheat. It is not only dangerous to their health, but dangerous to their opponent's health. Why not just open it up so it is legal for everyone also to box with loaded gloves? Boxing IS a dangerous sport, which makes it even more important to have safeguards in place like drug testing.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, though you'd never be able to back it up with any sort of logic.

Sports are inherently dangerous and basically needless aspects of society. We have speed limits because transportation is a must; watching two people punch each other in the face isn't. So if you're TRULY concerned about an athletes health (which you're not), then banning all sports is the only appropriate measure. It is impossible to compete in any sport at the highest level and not suffer some form of lingering effects afterwards. I boxed and competed in MMA at a regional level. I was nowhere near world class; I suffered three very severe concussions, multiple broken bones, etc. It's a part of the game. I got concussions playing high school football. Sports are not safe, they're not healthy. They're the only profession where your body is too beat up to continue by 35 years old (alongside perhaps prostitution).

Let's say then it isn't your fake morality that dictates what you're saying. Let's say you're a sport purist (hence using the term "cheat"). Sports lost their purity when they became a business. We have athletes making hundreds of millions of dollar playing games. They have potential to earn more...WAY more given better outcomes. You won't tune in to watch a 100 meter being run in 11 seconds, it's got to be sub 10 now. We ask more and more from our athletes, but for some reason we "take a stand" when it comes to what they can put in their bodies. The ultimate hypocrisy.

And finally you desire a level playing field, something that doesn't exist anywhere. Why do you only take a stand on drugs then? Having a great chin and low ability is far more dangerous to ones health. Having an Olympian make his debut against a part time club fighter from Kansas City is far more dangerous to ones health. Fighter A has the best facilities, trainers, and nutrition money can buy and Fighter B does not. Why is that ok? I suppose since increasing testosterone levels automatically turns you into a killing machine it should be rather easy for you to give me a few examples where a fighter was seriously injured in the ring by a guy who failed his post fight drug test. Can you give me a few examples? Lots of guys have been busted to PEDs, so surely they've all badly injured someone.

You really need to think about this a little more.

[montrealsuper]

The HAYMON AMERICAN ESTABLISHMENT HAS BIG PLANS AND BIG PLANS FOR WILDER BEING THEIR VEHICLE TO RULE BOXING WITH - THE HAYMON EMPIRE IS CORRUPT AND IMMORAL AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO CONTROL BOXING INCLUDING CONTROLLING MANIPULATING VADA TO FRAME POVETKIN AS A DRUG CHEAT - THE TESTING IS NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY - THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THE F THEY WANT WITH THE SAMPLES AND FRAME WHOEVER THEY WANT - MOST FANS HAVE NO IDEA HOW CORRUPT THE SPORT REALLY IS - AND HOW CORRUPT AL HAYMON IS - BOXING FANS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A MEGALOMANIAC AL HAYMON IS - HAYMON ALMOST MANIPULATED A TALENTLESS FRAUD LIKE SETH MITCHELL TO A WORLD HWT TITLE SHOT WHICH THEY TURNED DOWN VS KLITSCHKO BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WASN'T READY YET - BUT IF AL HAYMON CONTROLLED A PUPPET BELTHOLDER BACK THEN LIKE CHARLES MARTIN THEN SETH MITCHELL WOULD PROBABLY STILL BE A (PROTECTED) BELTHOLDER EVEN TODAY JUST LIKE FRAUD WILDER IS -

[thomasjkelley]

How many times is this guy's рiss being tested? I feel like I've heard this story before with the results coming back clean. This sounds like liberal democracy to me. Test and test and test until you get the result you want and that is the test that counts as official.

[Ilya Muromets]

Why are Russians allowing their athletes to get f'd over by Doc Margaret Goodman's phony Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia drug testing racket?

Povetkin is the real world heavyweight champion now.

[Ilya Muromets]

Interesting reading: Google doctor reviews for Margaret Goodman in Las Vegas and read about how the so called doctor treats her patients.

Las Vegas is the most corrupt city in the world. It was founded by the mob and is run by the mob and it's whole reason for existing in the desert is to fleece the suckers. Good plan - let Las Vegas police boxing. Right.

[Ilya Muromets]

In fact I'd like to see Russia, and whatever other countries are sick and tired of the western mobster run alphabet things and TV networks and Las Vegas drug test hustlers and fixed boxing matches, pull out and form their own boxing organization and other sports organizations too.

[Kalan]

Don't be stupid... Boxers don't generally use PEDs... Boxers in the 60's and 70's used PEDs all the time because they were LEGAL to use.. When PEDs were outlawed most everybody but a few idiots stopped using them.. Most of the time when guys were caught it was inadvertent usage.. They had no idea they had even taken anything illegal -- but it was in their food or supplement or medication they were taking or whatever... There's so damned many PED's today it's hard to keep track.. Why would anybody cheat when everybody who tests positive is flagged and their reputation is sullied???

Povetkin never used a damned thing and fought recently.. He's not guilty of any PED use at any time, but the criminals at VADA -- like ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte -- have targeted him because Ryabinsky outbid all American promoters for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight and they were pissed as Hell... It turns out Povetkin passed ALL his tests for Wilder, and VADA and the WBC even admitted it -- but it's just not being played up in the American media because he's a Russian, and VADA and the WBC got away with very mealy mouthed language in admitting they were wrong..

Wait until Ryabinsky's and Povetkin's lawsuits hit the fan... If they win they're going to follow up and turn Boxing up-side-down -- and expose VADA and the WBC.. Believe me, Povetkin and Ryabinsky are angry and pissed off as Hell about being targeted and lied about.. Every other testing agency used besides VADA tested Povetkin clean.. They're all accredited and VADA has been wrong so often it tells you something is rotten in Denmark.. The WBC is insisting all it's champions and contenders sign up for their "Clean Boxing Program" and they're forcing them to use VADA.. They're supposed to be the "Voluntary" testing agency.. Why do you think Ward refused to use VADA for the Rodriquez fight... He said, "Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA" ... Conte can't go near a competitive Track and Field athlete.. Why do you suppose that is???

You keep mentioning Victor Conte. What exactly is his role in VADA?

None. But don't confuse idiots with facts

You're a simple idiot who can't think.. Conte is the fox guarding the hen house.. He refers everyone to VADA and promotes VADA non-stop.. He claimed a major role in getting VADA founded, funded, and rolling.. He's a convicted PED peddler who has paid for certain athletes VADA testing and then denied it.. Until Nonito Donaire flat out admitted that Conte paid for his VADA PED tests.. Conte also claims to be a nutritionist and gives his athletes supplements.. And some of his professional athlete clients, such as Andre Berto and Marlon Byrd got busted for PED use..

This is the same pattern that originally sent Conte to prison.. A leopard doesn't change it's spots does it???.. Conte told his athletes---who he was giving steroids and told them they were legal supplements---that they would never test positive and they DID test positive.. That's why he went to prision.. But if you're the biggest promoter of VADA and you are benefiting VADA financially.. and you have relationships with people in VADA -- then they might come up with the exact testing results that you and other financially interested parties want.. For me, VADA is for sale, and the Povetkin tests results prove it.. They're a shady testing agency and many people just don't trust their results -- partly because of VADA's association with Conte which they deny -- but is unquestionable there.

[Badhusker]

Save lives? If you're concerned with saving lives ban the sport. If you're concerned with athletes health, ban all sports. They're not healthy pursuits, not good for any sort of longevity in terms of wellness. Don't buy your cigarette smoking, alcohol swigging representatives bull crap.

Your line of thinking is pretty twisted, and down right idiotic in my opinion. Ban all sports? We have laws in place for a reason.
Why have speed limits? If it saves lives, which is proven. Its like saying forget that, if we want to save lives we should just ban all motor vehicles. Maybe a stupid analogy, but no less stupid than your idea.
There should be a way to even the playing field other than make it wide open so everyone can cheat. It is not only dangerous to their health, but dangerous to their opponent's health. Why not just open it up so it is legal for everyone also to box with loaded gloves? Boxing IS a dangerous sport, which makes it even more important to have safeguards in place like drug testing.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, though you'd never be able to back it up with any sort of logic.

Sports are inherently dangerous and basically needless aspects of society. We have speed limits because transportation is a must; watching two people punch each other in the face isn't. So if you're TRULY concerned about an athletes health (which you're not), then banning all sports is the only appropriate measure. It is impossible to compete in any sport at the highest level and not suffer some form of lingering effects afterwards. I boxed and competed in MMA at a regional level. I was nowhere near world class; I suffered three very severe concussions, multiple broken bones, etc. It's a part of the game. I got concussions playing high school football. Sports are not safe, they're not healthy. They're the only profession where your body is too beat up to continue by 35 years old (alongside perhaps prostitution).

Let's say then it isn't your fake morality that dictates what you're saying. Let's say you're a sport purist (hence using the term "cheat"). Sports lost their purity when they became a business. We have athletes making hundreds of millions of dollar playing games. They have potential to earn more...WAY more given better outcomes. You won't tune in to watch a 100 meter being run in 11 seconds, it's got to be sub 10 now. We ask more and more from our athletes, but for some reason we "take a stand" when it comes to what they can put in their bodies. The ultimate hypocrisy.

And finally you desire a level playing field, something that doesn't exist anywhere. Why do you only take a stand on drugs then? Having a great chin and low ability is far more dangerous to ones health. Having an Olympian make his debut against a part time club fighter from Kansas City is far more dangerous to ones health. Fighter A has the best facilities, trainers, and nutrition money can buy and Fighter B does not. Why is that ok? I suppose since increasing testosterone levels automatically turns you into a killing machine it should be rather easy for you to give me a few examples where a fighter was seriously injured in the ring by a guy who failed his post fight drug test. Can you give me a few examples? Lots of guys have been busted to PEDs, so surely they've all badly injured someone.

You really need to think about this a little more.

What you say about banning all sports as the best solution to prevent injuries and save lives is true, but far from realistic. I guess trying to back my opinion up with logic seems pointless since the only solution you consider logical is totally unrealistic.
My point is that since we will always have combat sports, there needs to be safeguards in place to at least reduce the use of drugs, loaded gloves, and PEDS. No matter what level of competition, some athetes will always have advantages over others for various reasons. That's another thing that will never change.
In a perfect world we could ban sports, and make anything harmful to the human body illegal. Better yet give everyone with less than a 150 IQ lobotomies, and chemically sterilize them. I prefer realistic solutions.

[asdfjkl]

I'm sorry but there's no excuse. You test positive in both the A and B sample, you need to be banned. I would say 2 years from the Duhaupas fight.

Personally I would ban him for 6 years considering a second failed test after that failed Melodonium test. But seeming VADA chickened out and didn't follow through with their findings, I'll settle with the 2 years.

He never failed the meldonium test, he took meldonium when it was allowed, that's all.
50 years ago it was also allowed to drink alcohol as a professional cyclist, Americans are still allowed to use aspirins as far as I know, while that gives pretty much the same results.

He took melodonium when it was allowed, but it was showing up in his system 5 months later? That would suggest he was taking it much more recently than December 31. Yes I know, the amount in his sample was 'below threshold', but why oh why was it there in the first place? Contamination? That is why we have the B sample, which I never even heard was tested at all.

And just out of curiosity, what is the performance enhancing benefits of aspirin?

It's very well known, or at least by people that know what they are talking about, that Meldonium is traceble sometimes and other moments isn't, there are many examples of that, not just Povetkin.

Aspirins make your blood flow better, it also helps against pain pretty much everywere in your body. Actually, it's pretty much made for that.

Povetkin's B-sample was tested, despite Povetkin never asked them too, he already fully admitted he took it when it was allowed.

[asdfjkl]

I don't get it. If they are proven liars and criminals, how are they still around and relevant?

Because they got the media behind their back. The media decides pretty much everything, especially with dumb people.

That's the most vague and random post ever. I'm glad you're here to clear up all the worlds conspiracies for us, not sure what we'd do without you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0mHexLxyc

That vid might teach you a bit

[punchoutsb]

What you say about banning all sports as the best solution to prevent injuries and save lives is true, but far from realistic. I guess trying to back my opinion up with logic seems pointless since the only solution you consider logical is totally unrealistic.
My point is that since we will always have combat sports, there needs to be safeguards in place to at least reduce the use of drugs, loaded gloves, and PEDS. No matter what level of competition, some athetes will always have advantages over others for various reasons. That's another thing that will never change.
In a perfect world we could ban sports, and make anything harmful to the human body illegal. Better yet give everyone with less than a 150 IQ lobotomies, and chemically sterilize them. I prefer realistic solutions.

I also prefer realistic solutions, hence my preference for the legalization of many PEDs. They do not create scary monsters with one punch death power; they do however improve performance and enhance recovery. Many PEDs including testosterone and HGH should be legalized in sport. There are ZERO good reasons why they are not.

[greg]

...Povetkin has been excluded from WBC rankings..

[Enlightened-One]

Bermane Stiverne vs. Luis Ortiz for WBC title eliminator.

Povetkin losing his ranking and other fighters competing in the title eliminator strongly suggests that he will be suspended next week by the WBC.

[greg]

MOSCOW, February 7. /TASS/. Russian heavyweight boxer Alexander Povetkin will be excluded from the IBF (International Boxing Federation) ratings after his doping sample tested positive for a banned performance enhancing drug, IBF President Daryl Peoples told TASS on Tuesday.

[Ruthless-RKO]

MOSCOW, February 7. /TASS/. Russian heavyweight boxer Alexander Povetkin will be excluded from the IBF (International Boxing Federation) ratings after his doping sample tested positive for a banned performance enhancing drug, IBF President Daryl Peoples told TASS on Tuesday.

Just read that as well. I don't think IBO would even rank him either lol

[montrealsuper]

They have found the way to exclude and screw the Russians out of the USA boxing scene - VADA is the weapon being used to freeze out the eastern euros - This way they can keep the black and latino boxers safe and out of reach of the eastern euro stars - HayMon Schaefer DiBella want to keep their troika together and in house without risking anything by losing to the Russians - LoMachenko Kovalev and GGG will be Marginalized out of the picture and Vada is how they will do it - THis is all just a theory but it could all be true -

[Badhusker]

They have found the way to exclude and screw the Russians out of the USA boxing scene - VADA is the weapon being used to freeze out the eastern euros - This way they can keep the black and latino boxers safe and out of reach of the eastern euro stars - HayMon Schaefer DiBella want to keep their troika together and in house without risking anything by losing to the Russians - LoMachenko Kovalev and GGG will be Marginalized out of the picture and Vada is how they will do it - THis is all just a theory but it could all be true -

[Kalan]

...Povetkin has been excluded from WBC rankings..

Povetkin and Ryabinsky will have the last laugh... They will prevail in court and the corrupt org, the WBC, and the corrupt testing agency, VADA, will be their next targets... The sooner VADA, the WBC, and Victor Conte are eliminated from the Boxing scene the better...

[Ruthless-RKO]

...Povetkin has been excluded from WBC rankings..

Povetkin and Ryabinsky will have the last laugh... They will prevail in court and the corrupt org, the WBC, and the corrupt testing agency, VADA, will be their next targets... The sooner VADA, the WBC, and Victor Conte are eliminated from the Boxing scene the better...

I remember WBC declared a type of bankruptcy in the 90's. A boxer won $31 million in the case.

[SteveO]

MOSCOW, February 7. /TASS/. Russian heavyweight boxer Alexander Povetkin will be excluded from the IBF (International Boxing Federation) ratings after his doping sample tested positive for a banned performance enhancing drug, IBF President Daryl Peoples told TASS on Tuesday.

So now Povetkin is unranked by the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO.
That's his career over - unless he wins the court case.

[Ruthless-RKO]

MOSCOW, February 7. /TASS/. Russian heavyweight boxer Alexander Povetkin will be excluded from the IBF (International Boxing Federation) ratings after his doping sample tested positive for a banned performance enhancing drug, IBF President Daryl Peoples told TASS on Tuesday.

So now Povetkin is unranked by the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO.
That's his career over - unless he wins the court case.

He could go down the IBO route. He's ranked 3rd.. Unfortunately he ain't ranked by the WBF.

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html