Clowns...Yes..you and you and you....

[caldo2025]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

[TheGingerBomber]

You said Oscar Valdez is gonna rule the division. Let us have our opinions and you can have yours, I don't mind.

[ValMar]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

M. Garcia and Lomachenko have a brilliant potential, it is obvious....We will know much more about Joshua this April...

[Cloutov]

Coming from you its legit..

[Jip]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.

lomachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the best amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

[ldlamb]

I agree with both sides of this.

It is a message board and part of its reason to exist is making projections and predictions....talking about what new boxers you find special, etc.

But it is ridiculous how quickly people want to make bold statement like GOAT and unbeatable and stuff like that before enough real evidence is in.

[Kalan]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.

lomachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the best amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

Your post is a good one except for the Ali comment... Ali didn't have ANY inside game or body attack... How could he be the best technical Heavyweight ever??? He didn't jab like Holmes.. His jab was readable.. He missed a lot of punches because he had the habit of loading.. When Liston got up from that knockdown, Ali attacked him and missed every follow-up punch.. Then there's Ali's defense.. Everybody knows he pulled straight back from punches and would get tagged with hooks and looping shots he should get under. Ali maybe slipped punches better than Foreman -- but he didn't slip them well. He got tagged.

The best Heavyweights from a technical standpoint were... Tunney... Holmes... Johnson... Vitali Klitschko... Ibeabuchi in his last fight... Lewis was very good in the Rahman rematch and hardly made a mistake... Haye is very crafty... and Ortiz is real good as well.

You're right about Lomachenko... I've never seen anyone with better skills.. He was robbed blind in his 2nd pro fight in an orchestrated robbery -- and he would have rematched Salido a long time ago were that fight available to him... It's NOT!!! ... And they don't want Gary Russell knocking out Selby, Frampton, Santa Cruz, Cuellar, and Mares, because that would make Lomachenko look good as well -- so they're keeping those fights from Russell.

[Enlightened-One]

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Please quote the words of the CLOWN that made this claim. I don't think you can.

[caldo2025]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.
omachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the belst amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

Being the best amateur ever doesn't mean much too me. Who the heck has ever wanted to stay in the amateurs for over 300 fights anyway? Most all time great fighters use it as a stepping stool to pro's, not make a career out of being an amateur. What if SRL stayed an amateurs for 300 fights? Floyd? Ali?

The only current fighter that i would date to put an all time monicker on is GGG because he's deserved it. He's on the doorstep of breaking some incredible records and the power that he's showing is once in a 100 years type of power. Not saying that GGG is but when you look at the body of work, i have no problem with people keeping their eyes on GGG for greatness but let's gauge it at the end.

The perfect example is Tom Brady....after last night, he's the GOAT. Hands down. He did what no one else has ever done and officially did it in amazing fashion. GOAT. Now compare Lomenchenko's career so far to Brady's body of work....see what i mean?

[ValMar]

There is not any active boxer at 130 who is able to beat Lomachenko.

[Kalan]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.
omachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the belst amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

Being the best amateur ever doesn't mean much too me. Who the heck has ever wanted to stay in the amateurs for over 300 fights anyway? Most all time great fighters use it as a stepping stool to pro's, not make a career out of being an amateur. What if SRL stayed an amateurs for 300 fights? Floyd? Ali?

The only current fighter that i would date to put an all time monicker on is GGG because he's deserved it. He's on the doorstep of breaking some incredible records and the power that he's showing is once in a 100 years type of power. Not saying that GGG is but when you look at the body of work, i have no problem with people keeping their eyes on GGG for greatness but let's gauge it at the end.

The perfect example is Tom Brady....after last night, he's the GOAT. Hands down. He did what no one else has ever done and officially did it in amazing fashion. GOAT. Now compare Lomenchenko's career so far to Brady's body of work....see what i mean?

Tom Brady has been doing okay -- but he's had a couple of major setbacks. Lomachenko hasn't had a couple major setbacks.

Lomachenko won 6 professional World World Boxing Title matches... and lost 1 robbery SD ... He won 2 Olympic Gold Medals matches and lost none.

Brady won 5 NFL title matches and lost 2... Most seasons he never made it to the big dance... He won the Citrus Bowl and Orange Bowl in college.

[Jip]

What's with Boxing fans today? Why are you, not we, so quick to raise the boxers up to legendary status without them having done a darn thing yet? You all know who you are.

The people that now call Mikey Garcia the greatest fighter in the world because he beat an outclassed midget last week with 6" wingspan. Garcia has fought no one. He cherry picked a belt from a kid that was not a world champion in reality. Holding a belt these days says nothin.

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet. That guy.

Lomachenko is 7-1 and he's now the greatest boxer in the land according to most CLOWNS...even though he's not proven that he's the best fighter in his division with that unavenged loss.

What's with you people? Can't you just let history write itself and call things as they are in real time? I'm sad for you.

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.
omachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the belst amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

Being the best amateur ever doesn't mean much too me. Who the heck has ever wanted to stay in the amateurs for over 300 fights anyway? Most all time great fighters use it as a stepping stool to pro's, not make a career out of being an amateur. What if SRL stayed an amateurs for 300 fights? Floyd? Ali?

The only current fighter that i would date to put an all time monicker on is GGG because he's deserved it. He's on the doorstep of breaking some incredible records and the power that he's showing is once in a 100 years type of power. Not saying that GGG is but when you look at the body of work, i have no problem with people keeping their eyes on GGG for greatness but let's gauge it at the end.

The perfect example is Tom Brady....after last night, he's the GOAT. Hands down. He did what no one else has ever done and officially did it in amazing fashion. GOAT. Now compare Lomenchenko's career so far to Brady's body of work....see what i mean?

so you dont five much credit to an olympic gold medal? so what usain bolt and michael phels are doing with their gold medals is no big deal. vasyl is the greatest amateur boxer, 2 gold medals and 300 fights, only 1 loss. so just because it didnt happen in pro boxing it doesnt count?

gold medals is the highest degree of what a athlete can achieve. not in all sports, but in many. to achieve 2 gold medals and when 99 % of your fights against so many young well trained boxers from all over the world is tough. thats why amateur top boxers are mostly pro top boxer. just ask joshua, usyk, rigondeaux, lomachenko and golovkin. they were all top of the top amateur boxers and now they are top of the top pros. so you see, between amateur and pro there is no big difference.

brady is goat, brady had time. loma is new to pro boxing, he can achieve a lot, just give him time. with 2 gold medals and if he keeps winning impressiv against big names, than maybe he can be in a disscusion of a top 5 atg, surely not goat. but its hard to compare a team sport with single sport. pats have a crazy good team, even without brady. jordan would have never won a ring had he played all his life with the denver nuggets or any other losing team. jordan needed pippen and rodman. brady needs edelman and amendola. not taking anything away from them.

[ldlamb]

In track and swimming, the Olympics is the pinnacle of the sport......not so in boxing. Not an apples to apples comparison.

[Jip]

In track and swimming, the Olympics is the pinnacle of the sport......not so in boxing. Not an apples to apples comparison.

not so in boxing

do u know what oscar de la hoya, muhammad ali, joe frazier, george foreman, sugar ray leonard, meldrick taylor, pernell whitacker, guillermo rigondeaux and vasyl lomachenko all have in common? so you think it doesnt matter so much, do you think it is easy to achieve what these guys achieved?

a olympic gold medal is harder to achieve than a champion chip belt. why? at the olympic games you fight everybody, young well trained athletes, also there is only 1 gold medal. champion chip belts, there are 4 belts, not 1. also, you can cherry pick and fight less good champions to become champion.

even so a gold medal isnt the pinnacle of boxing, which is surely unified champion all belts, or multy division champion or for me the highest p4p king, nevertheless, winning a gold medals, or like vasyl did 2 times, than on top with the best amateur record the world has ever seen is more than phenomenal. super rare achievemant.

[caldo2025]

from a techniquel standpoint ali is ahead of any heavyweight ever. josh isnt near that techniqule quality ali had and wont never had.
josh is just so physical and punches so hard, has perfect height and reach, thats why people think of him so high.

yeah, you are correct, garcia outclassed a midget and yes it was cherry picking. for me garcia will always be a good b level boxer, who wont never get a status, but in terms of watching him on tv, yeah the guy is fun to watch, great power, solid tech.
omachenko, now that is another story. you seem to forget, this is the belst amateur boxer ever, with something like a 300 wins 1 loss record, 2 gold medals etc. he is a pure boxing genius. rarely have we seen this combination of a boxer. moves as slick as pernell, hits as quick as judah and has fast footwork like pacquiao. i mean loma is just a rare talent, the way he outclasses good opponents is incredible. donaire was a p4p star and had so much trouble against walthers, wal was tough, strong puncher and loma outclassed him like wal was a d level sparring partner, impressiv. loma is the best boxer in the world. does he have the best record, no its roman. but is he better than roman in all areas, yes he is.

Being the best amateur ever doesn't mean much too me. Who the heck has ever wanted to stay in the amateurs for over 300 fights anyway? Most all time great fighters use it as a stepping stool to pro's, not make a career out of being an amateur. What if SRL stayed an amateurs for 300 fights? Floyd? Ali?

The only current fighter that i would date to put an all time monicker on is GGG because he's deserved it. He's on the doorstep of breaking some incredible records and the power that he's showing is once in a 100 years type of power. Not saying that GGG is but when you look at the body of work, i have no problem with people keeping their eyes on GGG for greatness but let's gauge it at the end.

The perfect example is Tom Brady....after last night, he's the GOAT. Hands down. He did what no one else has ever done and officially did it in amazing fashion. GOAT. Now compare Lomenchenko's career so far to Brady's body of work....see what i mean?

Tom Brady has been doing okay -- but he's had a couple of major setbacks. Lomachenko hasn't had a couple major setbacks.

Lomachenko won 6 professional World World Boxing Title matches... and lost 1 robbery SD ... He won 2 Olympic Gold Medals matches and lost none.

Brady won 5 NFL title matches and lost 2... Most seasons he never made it to the big dance... He won the Citrus Bowl and Orange Bowl in college.

HAHAHAHAHAHA....Brady is ok ha? Lomachenko definitely has achieved more greatness than Tom Brady, you're right. Where is my head at? Lomachenko couldn't even win his first 7 fights without losing one. Brady has been to 7 Super Bowls in his 15 years of full seasons as starting QB.

Do you see how ridiculous you people are? No one cares about amateur success...gold medals in such. The idea of amateurs is that it's a stop over before the big show. Boxers aren't supposed to be career amateurs. Lomachenko took a long time to gather the balls to join the senior circuit. In my book, you don't get credit for being a puss.

[TheGingerBomber]

No point arguing with these little boys who discredit amateur boxing. As has been said, easier to win a world title than a gold medal.

[darkstar81]

But Lomachenko is the best boxer in the world. Maybe ever. What's the problem?

[opponents]

I wont sit here and not hear that Thomas lamanna isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.
"Granma-boy" is the future ! Mommy and Daddy bankrolling his career, building up with bums and then stepping up and getting beat down on live TV is the way of the future, partner.
With a build like a jewish accountant, (shlubby) and that great "jew fro" head of hair on that bean head, he's the next big thing. A tall dorky, white guy like that fat heavyweight kid.
Go on, granma-boy, do your thing partner, - see you in Temple !
about as Italian as motzah ball soup and a knish

[ldlamb]

No point arguing with these little boys who discredit amateur boxing. As has been said, easier to win a world title than a gold medal.

It's only easier in an abstract sense.

Unless of course you think it would have been easier in 2008 (for example) to beat Wladimir Klitschko than Roberto Cammarelle.

[ldlamb]

In track and swimming, the Olympics is the pinnacle of the sport......not so in boxing. Not an apples to apples comparison.

not so in boxing

do u know what oscar de la hoya, muhammad ali, joe frazier, george foreman, sugar ray leonard, meldrick taylor, pernell whitacker, guillermo rigondeaux and vasyl lomachenko all have in common? so you think it doesnt matter so much, do you think it is easy to achieve what these guys achieved?

a olympic gold medal is harder to achieve than a champion chip belt. why? at the olympic games you fight everybody, young well trained athletes, also there is only 1 gold medal. champion chip belts, there are 4 belts, not 1. also, you can cherry pick and fight less good champions to become champion.

even so a gold medal isnt the pinnacle of boxing, which is surely unified champion all belts, or multy division champion or for me the highest p4p king, nevertheless, winning a gold medals, or like vasyl did 2 times, than on top with the best amateur record the world has ever seen is more than phenomenal. super rare achievemant.

Of course winning any big event is tough and people have to work hard.....but in Boxing, the best of the best in their primes compete as professionals , not in the Olympics. Not true in swimming and track.

Yeah DeLa Hoya, et al. won a gold......but suggesting that 1992 DeLaHoya would beat 1999 DeLaHoya would be absurd.

[TheGingerBomber]

No point arguing with these little boys who discredit amateur boxing. As has been said, easier to win a world title than a gold medal.

It's only easier in an abstract sense.

Unless of course you think it would have been easier in 2008 (for example) to beat Wladimir Klitschko than Roberto Cammarelle.

Easier to beat Charles Martin than Joe Joyce.

The point is people discrediting amateurs.

[man]

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet.

here is the thing. a prediction is the more
risky and more valid the less data is in. if
AJ had five years of undisputed reign and
koed wilder and five other top five guys in
three, then it is not a prediction that he is
great, it is an observation.

[Impractical Poster]

If caldo2025 and Jip had a kid together...

[man]

If caldo2025 and Jip had a kid together...

[caldo2025]

There's another CLOWN that created a post recently here calling Anthony Joshua the next Ali. THE NEXT ALI. Yes, you read that correctly. Joshua hasn't even had a big fight yet.

here is the thing. a prediction is the more
risky and more valid the less data is in. if
AJ had five years of undisputed reign and
koed wilder and five other top five guys in
three, then it is not a prediction that he is
great, it is an observation.

First of all, there's not even enough talent in the heavyweight division now to even consider someone to be "great" for ruling over it for 5 years. Not enough talent at all.

Your description of "great" above is less than what GGG's been doing for 7 years in his division so i'd be interested to see how you consider GGG to be? In your criteria, he should be the greatest ever and I may agree with you.