I think there was more difference in speed than power. Style wise I think Tyson may have had more trouble with Vit than Wlad.
He could handle neither... Buster Douglas was too big and skilled for Tyson (6'4" X 231) and he was knocked out 3 times before he ever fought Tyson.
Buster caught Tyson at the perfect time.
Anyhow, size is irrelevant. Everyone Tyson fought was bigger than him, and some bigger than Povetkin. I'd pick a prime Tyson to beat Povetkin. It would be interesting to see how Povetkin handled Tyson on the inside.
Size is not irrelevant. That's why Boxing has 17 weight divisions and Tyson and Povetkin competed in the highest one..
The combination of size and skill has always been a bugaboo for Tyson.. Douglas was inspired by the Tyson-Tucker fight. He saw how difficult it was for Tyson to hurt a man who had size, height, and moderate speed and skill.. Douglas expected Tyson to KO Tucker in a couple rounds. He was shocked that Tyson looked ordinary because Douglas was out-boxing Tucker and leading on all cards until he ran out of gas as usual... Douglas was generally poorly conditioned -- but he knew that's something he could correct at any time.. He put a good team and camp together for Tyson. He knew he had every physical advantage over Tyson like underdog Foreman had over Frazier.. He told everyone he was going to beat Tyson very easily.. They thought he was on crack.
Kalan wrote:
He could handle neither... Buster Douglas was too big and skilled for Tyson (6'4" X 231) and he was knocked out 3 times before he ever fought Tyson.
Buster caught Tyson at the perfect time.
Anyhow, size is irrelevant. Everyone Tyson fought was bigger than him, and some bigger than Povetkin. I'd pick a prime Tyson to beat Povetkin. It would be interesting to see how Povetkin handled Tyson on the inside.
Size is not irrelevant. That's why Boxing has 17 weight divisions and Tyson and Povetkin competed in the highest one..
The combination of size and skill has always been a bugaboo for Tyson.. Douglas was inspired by the Tyson-Tucker fight. He saw how difficult it was for Tyson to hurt a man who had size, height, and moderate speed and skill.. Douglas expected Tyson to KO Tucker in a couple rounds. He was shocked that Tyson looked ordinary because Douglas was out-boxing Tucker and leading on all cards until he ran out of gas as usual... Douglas was generally poorly conditioned -- but he knew that's something he could correct at any time.. He put a good team and camp together for Tyson. He knew he had every physical advantage over Tyson like underdog Foreman had over Frazier.. He told everyone he was going to beat Tyson very easily.. They thought he was on crack.
A prime Tyson negated his taller opponents size with speed and in fighting... and actually made it so that his opponents size worked against them. I'm sure Douglas had a good camp for Tyson, but I still feel he caught him at the perfect time. Mike's personal life was in full turmoil when this fight came around. I have little doubt had the same Douglas fought an earlier version of Tyson, Douglas would have ended up stretched on the canvas.
Of course size isn't irrelevant, but the way the other poster made it seem is that since Povetkin is the taller guy, that Tyson would have extreme trouble with him. That is why I said the size was irrelevant in this case because everyone Tyson fought was taller than him. I don't see Povetkin handling Tyson well on the inside. And given Pov's style, he is not very likely to keep Tyson at a range comfortable for him.
bnovelist wrote:Holyfield would've lost to Douglas THAT NIGHT as well, he was fighting off inspiration of his mother's death no bigger motivation than that!
I'm not so sure Holyfield would have lost. Holyfield's personal life was no where near the sort that Tyson's was. It was just the perfect storm for Buster and Tyson to meet. Tyson was at an extreme low, and Douglas just came off a great camp and was motivated by the loss of his mother. Like I said earlier, Tyson a couple years ealier would have dispatched of Douglas rather easily.
bnovelist wrote:Look at Douglas's lean and ripped shape when he fought Tyson, then look at his chubby frame when he fought Evander. No comparison.
Found some insight from Tyson about everything surrounding that fight...
Relative inactivity in the ring. People have to remember that Tyson, at his best, used to fight very frequently
TYSON: When I was active enough, the machine was oiled, and it was really hard to beat me. But I started fighting like twice a year, once a year. I’m the kind of fighter that’s got to fight four times a year. Once I got involved with guys like Don, they weren’t keeping me busy enough. And since I wasn’t busy enough, I started doing other stuff, getting involved with women I should not have gotten involved with. If Cus had been there, a lot of that doesn’t happen.
Poor training habits at that time. He began believing that he was so good that he didn't need to train as hard
His team consisted of all Don King's men who didn't have Tyson's best interests in mind
Drugs
Partying
Women
Robin Givens
Being the smaller fighter with the shorter reach, Tyson has to work hard and expend a lot of energy to maintain his lead in the fight
There was a story somewhere that Tyson had even contracted a venereal disease the week of the fight
TYSON: I came close to pulling out of the Buster Douglas fight. I didn’t want to train. I was 23, and I wanted to party and have fun. Actually, my team had to almost track me down and beat me and have a gun to my head to take me up to training camp.
I also remember him talking about how bad Givens had messed with his head and he was self destructing at that time. Remember the talk show incident?
Impractical Poster wrote:
Buster caught Tyson at the perfect time.
Anyhow, size is irrelevant. Everyone Tyson fought was bigger than him, and some bigger than Povetkin. I'd pick a prime Tyson to beat Povetkin. It would be interesting to see how Povetkin handled Tyson on the inside.
Size is not irrelevant. That's why Boxing has 17 weight divisions and Tyson and Povetkin competed in the highest one..
The combination of size and skill has always been a bugaboo for Tyson.. Douglas was inspired by the Tyson-Tucker fight. He saw how difficult it was for Tyson to hurt a man who had size, height, and moderate speed and skill.. Douglas expected Tyson to KO Tucker in a couple rounds. He was shocked that Tyson looked ordinary because Douglas was out-boxing Tucker and leading on all cards until he ran out of gas as usual... Douglas was generally poorly conditioned -- but he knew that's something he could correct at any time.. He put a good team and camp together for Tyson. He knew he had every physical advantage over Tyson like underdog Foreman had over Frazier.. He told everyone he was going to beat Tyson very easily.. They thought he was on crack.
A prime Tyson negated his taller opponents size with speed and in fighting... and actually made it so that his opponents size worked against them. I'm sure Douglas had a good camp for Tyson, but I still feel he caught him at the perfect time. Mike's personal life was in full turmoil when this fight came around. I have little doubt had the same Douglas fought an earlier version of Tyson, Douglas would have ended up stretched on the canvas.
Of course size isn't irrelevant, but the way the other poster made it seem is that since Povetkin is the taller guy, that Tyson would have extreme trouble with him. That is why I said the size was irrelevant in this case because everyone Tyson fought was taller than him. I don't see Povetkin handling Tyson well on the inside. And given Pov's style, he is not very likely to keep Tyson at a range comfortable for him.
I see Povetkin destroying Tyson on the inside and outside... He's just too skillful and has never been stopped... Tyson was stopped 4 X by the time he was Povetkin's age... Buster Douglas beat Mike on the inside and outside because Billy Douglas taught his son how to negate a shorter infighter... You outmaneuver him and catch him coming in like Douglas did to Tyson and Povetkin did to Mike Perez.
Look how short Mike Perez is, only 2 inches taller than Tyson.. Perez fought a close fight with tough infighter Bryant Jennings.. Perez tried to work his way into Povetkin's chest.. Povektin outmaneuvered him and knocked him out almost immediately... Perez is a really tough guy and that is his only KO loss.
Kalan wrote:
Size is not irrelevant. That's why Boxing has 17 weight divisions and Tyson and Povetkin competed in the highest one..
The combination of size and skill has always been a bugaboo for Tyson.. Douglas was inspired by the Tyson-Tucker fight. He saw how difficult it was for Tyson to hurt a man who had size, height, and moderate speed and skill.. Douglas expected Tyson to KO Tucker in a couple rounds. He was shocked that Tyson looked ordinary because Douglas was out-boxing Tucker and leading on all cards until he ran out of gas as usual... Douglas was generally poorly conditioned -- but he knew that's something he could correct at any time.. He put a good team and camp together for Tyson. He knew he had every physical advantage over Tyson like underdog Foreman had over Frazier.. He told everyone he was going to beat Tyson very easily.. They thought he was on crack.
A prime Tyson negated his taller opponents size with speed and in fighting... and actually made it so that his opponents size worked against them. I'm sure Douglas had a good camp for Tyson, but I still feel he caught him at the perfect time. Mike's personal life was in full turmoil when this fight came around. I have little doubt had the same Douglas fought an earlier version of Tyson, Douglas would have ended up stretched on the canvas.
Of course size isn't irrelevant, but the way the other poster made it seem is that since Povetkin is the taller guy, that Tyson would have extreme trouble with him. That is why I said the size was irrelevant in this case because everyone Tyson fought was taller than him. I don't see Povetkin handling Tyson well on the inside. And given Pov's style, he is not very likely to keep Tyson at a range comfortable for him.
I see Povetkin destroying Tyson on the inside and outside... He's just too skillful and has never been stopped... Tyson was stopped 4 X by the time he was Povetkin's age... Buster Douglas beat Mike on the inside and outside because Billy Douglas taught his son how to negate a shorter infighter... You outmaneuver him and catch him coming in like Douglas did to Tyson and Povetkin did to Mike Perez.
Look how short Mike Perez is, only 2 inches taller than Tyson.. Perez fought a close fight with tough infighter Bryant Jennings.. Perez tried to work his way into Povetkin's chest.. Povektin outmaneuvered him and knocked him out almost immediately... Perez is a really tough guy and that is his only KO loss.
Right... cause Perez is similar to a prime Tyson...
Impractical Poster wrote:
A prime Tyson negated his taller opponents size with speed and in fighting... and actually made it so that his opponents size worked against them. I'm sure Douglas had a good camp for Tyson, but I still feel he caught him at the perfect time. Mike's personal life was in full turmoil when this fight came around. I have little doubt had the same Douglas fought an earlier version of Tyson, Douglas would have ended up stretched on the canvas.
Of course size isn't irrelevant, but the way the other poster made it seem is that since Povetkin is the taller guy, that Tyson would have extreme trouble with him. That is why I said the size was irrelevant in this case because everyone Tyson fought was taller than him. I don't see Povetkin handling Tyson well on the inside. And given Pov's style, he is not very likely to keep Tyson at a range comfortable for him.
I see Povetkin destroying Tyson on the inside and outside... He's just too skillful and has never been stopped... Tyson was stopped 4 X by the time he was Povetkin's age... Buster Douglas beat Mike on the inside and outside because Billy Douglas taught his son how to negate a shorter infighter... You outmaneuver him and catch him coming in like Douglas did to Tyson and Povetkin did to Mike Perez.
Look how short Mike Perez is, only 2 inches taller than Tyson.. Perez fought a close fight with tough infighter Bryant Jennings.. Perez tried to work his way into Povetkin's chest.. Povektin outmaneuvered him and knocked him out almost immediately... Perez is a really tough guy and that is his only KO loss.
Right... cause Perez is similar to a prime Tyson...
It's ok. We'll agree to disagree.
You can't have perfection in similarities.. Perez is a very tough man who can be knocked out just like Tyson.. but he never came close to be knocked out by anyone but Povetkin.. Who did it by slickly outmaneuvering him and ripping him.. similar to what Holyfield and Douglas did to Tyson.
asdfjkl wrote:
You realise that Tyson would barely be able to touch Fury his hair at all for example don't you? And fighting above your head is far more exhausting as around your chest or even lower, at the same time it's much more easy to move your head away if you're taller.
Can I just say something...Steve Cunningham
RIGHT!!! ... Steve Cunningham (210 and ripped) was knocked cold by Fury with one hard shot... For the only KO loss Steve Cunningham has ever suffered
And don't forget even Steve Cunningham is about 4 inches taller as Mike Tyson. On top of that, Steve Cunningham is the perfect example of how much better the Europeans are compared to Americans. Steve allways won against Americans and lost against all Europeans I've ever heard about.
