Why Joshua Should Be Considered An Alltime Great

[Jaywheel]

Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

[Tanzio]

Case closed.

[Jip]

undefeated fighters are the best, just ask floyd. thats why floyd never respected pac, cause he lost early in c areer.

[punchoutsb]

In this case AJ isn't even the most accomplished Brit right now...Josh Sandland is undefeated against all undefeated opposition. Sorry AJ!

[KiwiRider]

He has taken a lot of '0's in his short career. You have to admit that is some feat. If someone is unbeaten, there is no road map on how to beat them. He also has speed, power, height and reach, and it takes a special fighter to get Olympic gold.
I've seen every fight from Olympic semis to now and am still impressed.
You only have to see his jab snapping heads back to know how formidable he is.
Still fairly humble as well.
No matter if you like him or not, he has brought more people to boxing matches than anyone else in my memory.
All knock out wins to boot.
Plus he is apparently good looking which lets me get Management approval for the PPV's

[Kalan]

Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

[gilgamesh]

So if I viciously dispatched of a bunch of 12 year olds in 1 or 2 rounds would that make me one of the best ever to you Kalan?

[littlepug]

Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

its got to be about who he fought, i mean it HAS to !

[BitPlayer]

Not to mention a Kevin Johnson who was still so in his prime he thought about throwing a punch and could almost hold his gaurd up.

[greg]

Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

..I call that a perfect resume and the right moment to retire..

[punchoutsb]

Not to mention a Kevin Johnson who was still so in his prime he thought about throwing a punch and could almost hold his gaurd up.

Great point! Kevin Johnson was bigger and therefore better than Joe Frazier. He had a win over Julius Long who would have dwarfed George Foreman, beat Albert Sosnowski who was bigger and had more fights than Rocky Marciano, and actually fought to a draw against Timur Ibragimov in just his fourth fight--I don't know if you know this but Timur was related to a future Heavyweight champion so genetically he is on par with Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and the like...only bigger! If you add up the wins of all the opponents he beat, they are more than Gene Tunney or Jack Johnson had in their entire careers--no joke! He also stopped Harrold Sconier in one, the same Sconiers who dropped Deontay Wilder (who was bigger, stronger, faster, and more elusive than Muhammad Ali).

According to these irrefutable facts AJ's win over KJ is probably the single best win in boxing history.

[BitPlayer]

In seriousness, his two best wins Whyte and Breazeale.

Most people think Chisora beat Whyte, but that was fit Whyte, injury free and with a proper trainer. The Whyte Joshua fought was training himself and it showed, his was sloppier, with worse fitness plus his left shoulder was injured, and that the arm he seems better with. If Chisoa could beat good Whyte, he'd have destroyed the Whyte Joshua fought.

Breazeale's two best wins were Fred Kassi and Amir Mansour, except Mansour beat the crap out of them and Breazeale only won because Mansour had a bad gumgaurd and a cold that lead to him biting through his tounge and not being able to breath from early on. And most people think Fred Kassi was robbed against him. Kassi that a severly ill Hughie Fury beat comfortably.

Joshua hasn't even convincingly shown himself to be the best in Britian, and that's counting Tyson Fury as inactive.

[BitPlayer]

Not to mention a Kevin Johnson who was still so in his prime he thought about throwing a punch and could almost hold his gaurd up.

Great point! Kevin Johnson was bigger and therefore better than Joe Frazier. He had a win over Julius Long who would have dwarfed George Foreman, beat Albert Sosnowski who was bigger and had more fights than Rocky Marciano, and actually fought to a draw against Timur Ibragimov in just his fourth fight--I don't know if you know this but Timur was related to a future Heavyweight champion so genetically he is on par with Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and the like...only bigger! If you add up the wins of all the opponents he beat, they are more than Gene Tunney or Jack Johnson had in their entire careers--no joke! He also stopped Harrold Sconier in one, the same Sconiers who dropped Deontay Wilder (who was bigger, stronger, faster, and more elusive than Muhammad Ali).

According to these irrefutable facts AJ's win over KJ is probably the single best win in boxing history.

So true plus at 27 and in 18 fights he's fought better opponents than 21 year old Wladimir Klitschko, or 19 year old Mike Tyson, or 21 year old Muhammad Ali and bigger opponents than 20 year old Joe Louis. Plus he knocked out Michael Sprott, who beat Danny Williams, who knocked out Mike Tyson, who knocked out Larry Holmes who stopped Muhammad Ali!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crease]

AJ is not in the running to be considered an ATG as of yet...
But nor is Deontay Wilder (regardless of how excited the Americans get about him)

[punchoutsb]

AJ is not in the running to be considered an ATG as of yet...
But nor is Deontay Wilder (regardless of how excited the Americans get about him)

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

AJ has a small following making some unrealistic claims, but they're a little more vocal than the two or three Wilder apologists on here.

[In the know 85]

You've got to be kidding right???

[Crease]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

That's not my experience of this place. I've heard guys compare Wilder to a prime Mike Tyson and whatnot...

[Kalan]

Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

its got to be about who he fought, i mean it HAS to !

Yeah, It's partly about that. So how many fights does AJ have??? It's still in the teens -- and he's already fought his way to a World Heavyweight Title Fight. He beat an undefeated Heavyweight Champion. He beat an undefeated challenger. Now he fighting a legendary boxer-puncher who has 68 pro fights and a Olympic Gold Medal in the Heavyweight Division. It'll be 2 Olympic Heavyweight Champions in front of 90,000 screaming Brits. Ali never did anything like that. When Frazier went up against his first Olympic Heavyweight Gold Medal winner -- how did he perform??? Like a basketball with ears.

[punchoutsb]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

That's not my experience of this place. I've heard guys compare Wilder to a prime Mike Tyson and whatnot...

Ooof, I'm glad I've missed those posts. Possibly because I've been so hard on Wilder myself, maybe I'm just not noticing. If I bash my head right now the only person I really ever see talking him up is Badhusker and he's not necessarily hyping him just manufacturing excuses for his poor opposition.

[Tanzio]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

That's not my experience of this place. I've heard guys compare Wilder to a prime Mike Tyson and whatnot...

That was right before that wet dream that woke you up

[BitPlayer]

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

its got to be about who he fought, i mean it HAS to !

Yeah, It's partly about that. So how many fights does AJ have??? It's still in the teens -- and he's already fought his way to a World Heavyweight Title Fight. He beat an undefeated Heavyweight Champion. He beat an undefeated challenger. Now he fighting a legendary boxer-puncher who has 68 pro fights and a Olympic Gold Medal in the Heavyweight Division. It'll be 2 Olympic Heavyweight Champions in front of 90,000 screaming Brits. Ali never did anything like that. When Frazier went up against his first Olympic Heavyweight Gold Medal winner -- how did he perform??? Like a basketball with ears.

He fought a weak title challenger given a title a because another weak title challenger bust his knee, that title had about as much weight as Charlie Zelenoff's, then beat somone who should have lost his last two fights against noncontenders. And his Olympic gold medel was a gift to the UK for being such pleasant hosts.

If he beats Wlad, I'll give him credit. Until then he's done nothing.

[Crease]

That was right before that wet dream that woke you up

Take pause gentlemen, we have an intellectual titan in our midst...

[Kalan]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

That's not my experience of this place. I've heard guys compare Wilder to a prime Mike Tyson and whatnot...

So we can't compare Wilder to Tyson??? ... Even though he's a big bomber...won 37 fights in a row just like Mike...and gets hit a lot like Mike???

And just like MIke, Wilder has a high KO ratio.. They have lots in common besides tattoos.. Mike lost his 38th to somebody who'd been knocked out and beaten a lot.. To keep pace with Mike, Wilder would have to lose to Gerald Washington.. If Washington could throw like Buster Douglas that might be possible.. He's big and strong enough---but you can see his loaded shots coming.. If he had a slicker jab he could stick it in Wilder's face a lot and maybe get the right on him.. Duhaupas hit Wilder with a couple big rights in the eye -- so he should keep trying.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Stupid thread.

[TheGingerBomber]

A lot of people like to hate on the current heavyweights, where as some like to hate on the past heavyweights.

Henry Cooper would have done more than Martin/Breazeale/Molina did combined if he fought AJ. He'd have gone down swinging.

I don't know why these Heavyweights fight if they're gonna jump in the ring and freeze, AJ seems to do it to them most. If Klitschko does the same it's game over.

Can't wait to see how he reacts to a live body, I'm hoping he beats Wlad well, because the more top British heavies the better.