Frampton - Santa Cruz 3 - not in Belfast?

[gilgamesh]

I can't say I'm surprised that Santa Cruz wouldn't do it in Belfast. I don't think I recall him ever saying he would. Frampton just wanted him too.

He gave Frampton his word apparently. He's also been on record saying he'd have no problems travelling to Belfast. When it's came down to it he's backed out. I don't personally see any excuse for that kind of nonsense. Frampton has fought him twice in the states. Fairs fair.

I agree with you though. I'm not surprised LSC doesn't fancy it now. I think Frampton beats him in Belfast.

LSC never even fought a particularly dangerous opponent prior to Abner Mares and Frampton so it doesn't surprise me he's not gonna fight one of his toughest opponents in their backyard. He should definitely like you said Frampton fought him in his home country twice, but I doubt very much it's gonna happen.

[chrisnew86]

Frampton lost that fight, he wasn't as good as LSC on the night. Nothing to do with home judging

I agree, I too scored the fight in Santa Cruz's favour.


My point was more a figurative one. For example, had Carl edged the fight, I don't think the judges would have legitimately gave him the past victory.

Yeah I scored it to LSC and like yourself I'm a big Frampton fan. I think if LSC comes to Belfast then Carl would edge him due to the extra push from the home support and him being in comfortable surroundings. Not because of the judges. LSC and his team look to have bottled it here IMO.

I hear you lads

[PredatorHayds]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

Can't blame LSC not coming over. He does big business stateside so wouldn't get the financial benefit of travelling.

I see Frampton travelling again. By all accounts Vegas were happy with the second fight so I expect the third one to be there.

[Crease]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

I've seen 4 different interviews with Selby were he said he'd be happy to fight at Windsor Park in Belfast...

But then, he ALWAYS says after it, that the fight would make more sense in the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff because of it'so much greater capacity.

(Which logically - is very difficult to argue with...
And I'd guess that this suggestion would be one of the first things discussed at the negotiating table).

[PredatorHayds]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

I've seen 4 different interviews with Selby were he said he'd be happy to fight at Windsor Park in Belfast...

But then, he ALWAYS says after it, that the fight would make more sense in the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff because of it'so much greater capacity.

(Which logically - is very difficult to argue with...
And I'd guess that this suggestion would be one of the first things discussed at the negotiating table).

I'd like that but it would be a 30-40k job max. Can't see it selling full capacity.

[Crease]

I'd like that but it would be a 30-40k job max. Can't see it selling full capacity.

When was the last time the Millennium Stadium had boxing?
I can't remember any apart from Joe Calzaghe.

[PredatorHayds]

I'd like that but it would be a 30-40k job max. Can't see it selling full capacity.

When was the last time the Millennium Stadium had boxing?
I can't remember any apart from Joe Calzaghe.

Got to be Calzaghe-Kessler

[liamlion]

Just out of interest, given that you are a person with such clear, fair, decisive and reliably objective assessment and opinion of boxing matters, in light of the fact that you consider the 2nd fight awful and abysmal, how would you describe Klitschko v Fury's world title fight?

Arguably the fight of the year.

Very tense and very historically significant.

Mwah "fight of the year" hahahaha credibility = zero. Troll ranking: #1

For the record Tyson v Klit was a fooking sh1te borefest of a fight, with no meaningful punches thrown or landed. Hence why there was zero interest in the rematch. But then, you know that really. And of course, we all know that you know that. But hey, let the pantomime continue...

[Horse]

Mwah "fight of the year" hahahaha credibility = zero. Troll ranking: #1

For the record Tyson v Klit was a fooking sh1te borefest of a fight, with no meaningful punches thrown or landed.

What about the last round then?

Did you even watch the fight?

Hence why there was zero interest in the rematch. But then, you know that really. And of course, we all know that you know that. But hey, let the pantomime continue...

Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a troll etc.

You should probably try to grow up a little bit.

[liamlion]

Mwah "fight of the year" hahahaha credibility = zero. Troll ranking: #1

For the record Tyson v Klit was a fooking sh1te borefest of a fight, with no meaningful punches thrown or landed.

What about the last round then?

Did you even watch the fight?

Hence why there was zero interest in the rematch. But then, you know that really. And of course, we all know that you know that. But hey, let the pantomime continue...

Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a troll etc.

You should probably try to grow up a little bit.

Yes quite; what about the last round?

Yes, for my sins i did watch the borefest. But describing it as a "fight"? Im not sure it could accurately be described as one of those.

Youre lack of objectivity is ridiculous. Perhaps it is you who should do the growing up.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Mwah "fight of the year" hahahaha credibility = zero. Troll ranking: #1

For the record Tyson v Klit was a fooking sh1te borefest of a fight, with no meaningful punches thrown or landed.

What about the last round then?

Did you even watch the fight?

Hence why there was zero interest in the rematch. But then, you know that really. And of course, we all know that you know that. But hey, let the pantomime continue...

Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a troll etc.

You should probably try to grow up a little bit.

Yes quite; what about the last round?

Yes, for my sins i did watch the borefest. But describing it as a "fight"? Im not sure it could accurately be described as one of those.

Youre lack of objectivity is ridiculous. Perhaps it is you who should do the growing up.

No way was that a fight of the year candidate, that ludicrous. You could argue Fury's win was the performance of the year, but the fight was turgid, aside from a mildly competitive last rounds, but even the last round wasn't exactly Barrera v Morales.

[magwitch]

Personally I think its a mickeytake, SC's dad reckons he wont get a fair go in belfast, but of course it was fine for frampton to go to the states twice.

It’s not a proper trilogy if one man’s at home 3 times, is it?
Anyway, it won’t really decide much - we know they are essentially as good as each other.
Put the Welshman in the mix before they face off a third time.

[mickey1975]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

Can't blame LSC not coming over. He does big business stateside so wouldn't get the financial benefit of travelling.

I see Frampton travelling again. By all accounts Vegas were happy with the second fight so I expect the third one to be there.

Is half a million viewers big business in a country that big? They really overrate themselves considering their size, the Americans.

[PredatorHayds]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

Can't blame LSC not coming over. He does big business stateside so wouldn't get the financial benefit of travelling.

I see Frampton travelling again. By all accounts Vegas were happy with the second fight so I expect the third one to be there.

Is half a million viewers big business in a country that big? They really overrate themselves considering their size, the Americans.

I think it did just over 3 million. Which by our standards isn't huge considering it was on free to air TV but it was huge by American standards.
The only fight to beat it surprisingly was Spence-Bundu with approx 5million as it was free to air straight after USA basketball gold medal match. Shows how over the odds advertising pays stateside, especially for sporting event.
I had figures once on how much Tecate and Corona pumped into boxing. It was stupidly huge figures. I will have a look around see if I can find it.

[PredatorHayds]

He wants a fight in Belfast it will have to be Selby, who takes that fight in a heartbeat.

Can't blame LSC not coming over. He does big business stateside so wouldn't get the financial benefit of travelling.

I see Frampton travelling again. By all accounts Vegas were happy with the second fight so I expect the third one to be there.

Is half a million viewers big business in a country that big? They really overrate themselves considering their size, the Americans.

The 3 million was Mares-LSC btw

[mickey1975]

I'm sure it was 5-600,000. David Haye did 3m on Dave...

[Autobarn]

Frampton has done well for himself beating the dangerous and late Gonzalez Jr and Santa Cruz, at least first time, in America.

I think he's reached his limit, especially being up at featherweight, and wouldn't have won the first fight if he hadn't shaken Santa Cruz with the right uppercut.

Expecting the rubber match in Belfast makes me think people don't believe he can win unless with home bias.

Talking about fairness is silly because Frampton was treated fairly on the cards both times in the States.

I mentioned fair and it's not silly at all! Frampton travelled to the States twice. What's to say LSC won't get a fair crack over here? It's nothing to do with the cards. Home advantage, familiar surroundings. I think Frampton beats him in Belfast because he'll perform better at home. Nothing to do with the judges at all.

It's silly to suggest that if Frampton hadn't landed that uppercut then he wouldn't have won! What round was that? 4th? Come on man!

Other than that shot, there was little or nothing to split them, and it kept LSC at bay a bit longer.

Same shot that troubled Quigg, obviously.

Now people are looking out for that shot in CF's repertoire, they're wise to it and he may need something new.

[TheCobra]

I don't want a third fight.

Their 2nd fight was abysmal.

Must admit I'm with you. Without it being abysmal, I found it much less interesting than the first and don't have any real desire to see these two go at it for a third time.

[Boxerbeetle]

Mwah "fight of the year" hahahaha credibility = zero. Troll ranking: #1

For the record Tyson v Klit was a fooking sh1te borefest of a fight, with no meaningful punches thrown or landed.

What about the last round then?

Did you even watch the fight?

Hence why there was zero interest in the rematch. But then, you know that really. And of course, we all know that you know that. But hey, let the pantomime continue...

Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a troll etc.

You should probably try to grow up a little bit.

You can't seriously believe that a 12 round fight with less than 150 punches landed (combined!) was any good to watch. It was terrible.

[Stuarty]

Frampton has done well for himself beating the dangerous and late Gonzalez Jr and Santa Cruz, at least first time, in America.

I think he's reached his limit, especially being up at featherweight, and wouldn't have won the first fight if he hadn't shaken Santa Cruz with the right uppercut.

Expecting the rubber match in Belfast makes me think people don't believe he can win unless with home bias.

Talking about fairness is silly because Frampton was treated fairly on the cards both times in the States.

I mentioned fair and it's not silly at all! Frampton travelled to the States twice. What's to say LSC won't get a fair crack over here? It's nothing to do with the cards. Home advantage, familiar surroundings. I think Frampton beats him in Belfast because he'll perform better at home. Nothing to do with the judges at all.

It's silly to suggest that if Frampton hadn't landed that uppercut then he wouldn't have won! What round was that? 4th? Come on man!

Other than that shot, there was little or nothing to split them, and it kept LSC at bay a bit longer.

Same shot that troubled Quigg, obviously.

Now people are looking out for that shot in CF's repertoire, they're wise to it and he may need something new.

Frampton has plenty to his repertoire.

The two shots you're alluding to couldn't have been more different. LSC was wobbled with a counter left hook during an exchange. Quigg was tagged by a right uppercut that broke his jaw.

The first fight was close but you don't win a distance fight based on one punch that landed in the fourth round. There was a lot more to it than that I'm afraid. Yeah it might have made LSC think twice for a round or two but there were plenty of exchanges after than particular one.

[PredatorHayds]

I'm sure it was 5-600,000. David Haye did 3m on Dave...

Managed to find the figures from the time.

The main event peaked at 1.6million on ESPN with an additional 500k on ESPN espania so main event in total did just over 2.1million on ESPN stateside. These figures don't include worldwide broadcasts.

[mickey1975]

I'm sure it was 5-600,000. David Haye did 3m on Dave...

Managed to find the figures from the time.

The main event peaked at 1.6million on ESPN with an additional 500k on ESPN espania so main event in total did just over 2.1million on ESPN stateside. These figures don't include worldwide broadcasts.

The fight would do more in Ireland alone. American fight audiences are crap.

[PredatorHayds]

I'm sure it was 5-600,000. David Haye did 3m on Dave...

Managed to find the figures from the time.

The main event peaked at 1.6million on ESPN with an additional 500k on ESPN espania so main event in total did just over 2.1million on ESPN stateside. These figures don't include worldwide broadcasts.

The fight would do more in Ireland alone. American fight audiences are crap.

It's incredible. Mares-LSC was PBC biggest success really and it's no more than 3million.

It's the equivalent of Frampton-Quigg being on ITV Saturday night prime time. I'm convinced it would do 10million terrestrial.
Don't forget the most watched USA fight in recent years Spence-Bundu only got 5 million viewers because ppl couldn't be bothered switching over after the basketball.