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Counter, glad you liked it. The clarity in the film was great for a close contest like this, but even still, razor close. It's funny, I recall a quote from Zensuke Utagawa after his title fight with Ruben Olivares where he said something like, "I thought my countryman Sho Saijo had the best left jab ever until tonight." That always stuck in my head to see Saijo's jab. And it was all that. But funny enough, I was never really impressed with the Olivares jab. But then again, I was never on the receiving end of it. LOL!

[Seamus]

Wilfredo Vasquez vs Khaokor Galaxy

R1.10-9 WV
R2.10-9 WV
R3.10-9 WV
R4.10-9 KG
R5.10-9 WV
R6.10-9 KG
R7.10-9 KG
R8.10-9 KG
R9.10-9 KG
R10.10-9 KG
R11.10-9 KG
R12.10-9 WV

Khaokor Galaxy 115-113

Galaxy would have won a pretty clear decision if he fought the way he did starting in the 6th, from the opening bell.

[Seamus]

Couple of Najib Daho fights I'd never seen.

Najib Daho vs Pat Cowdell II

R1.10-9 ND
R2.10-10
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 PC
R5.10-9 PC
R6.10-9 PC
R7.10-9 PC
R8.10-9 PC

Don't know what pt system this was one, but by the 10 pt must I had it 79-75 thru 8. Pat Cowdell TKO 9

Cowdell looked very shaky in the 1st round, and even ringworn thru the first 3 rds, but once he established his jab in the 4th, he quickly looked the superior boxer and it was all down hill for Daho from there. On a side note, Daho's upset victory over Cowdell in there 1st bout was really strange in that the referee didn't even appear to be counting for the knockdowns.

Barry Michael vs Najib Daho II

R1.10-9 ND
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 BM
R4.10-9 BM
R5.10-9 ND
R6.10-9 BM
R7.10-9 BM
R8.10-9 ND
R9.10-9 BM
R10.10-9 BM
R11.10-9 BM
R12.10-9 BM

Barry Michael 117-112

This was actually an entertaining gritty fight with both guys giving a solid effort. Daho had a pretty good jab, but tended to neglect using it for long periods, which just allowed Michael to keep getting inside to hammer him below the waterline. No knockdowns, though Daho looked ready to go in the final 2 rds.

[Seamus]

Sumbu Kalambay vs Mike McCallum I

McCallum won the 3rd and the 9th, Kalambay won the rest for a score of 118-110. The scoring in this fight was ridiculous with the judges having Kalambay winning by only 1-1-4 pts. Never seen the Body Snatcher get taken to school like this before. Kalambay was faster, more mobile, and McCallum had no answer to his circling and double jabbing. Even on the inside, McCallum looked more interested in headhunting, while Kalambay consistently slipped and countered his shots.

[Ambling Alp II]

For some reason, you don't hear much about this fight. Big win for Kalambay.

[Seamus]

Couple more Kalambay fights

Sumbu Kalambay vs Mike McCallum II

R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-10 Even
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 MM
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-9 MM
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 SK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 SK
R12.10-10

Mike McCallum 116-115

This was really a fight of two very different halves. In the first, McCallum looks very determined and outworks Kalambay, jabbing and bodypunching much more than he did in there first bout. In the second half, Kalambay comes more into it by slipping and countering effectively and often looking the fitter of the two. The difference in the end on my scorecard came down to McCallum being just a little more dominant in the 1st half.

Sumbu Kalambay vs Herol Graham II

R1.10-9 HG
R2.10-7 HG (Kalambay down twice from right hooks to the head)
R3.10-9 SK (Graham hurt near the end, but he's still too busy for Kalambay to have a 2 pt rd)
R4.9-9 Even (1 pt taken from Graham)
R5.10-9 HG
R6.10-9 HG
R7.10-9 HG
R8.10-9 HG
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-9 HG
R11.10-9 HG
R12.10-8 SK (1 pt taken from Graham)

Herol Graham 115-109

This was a horrible UD decision for Kalambay, who landed the better shots after the 2nd rd, but who was continually outworked by Graham who so many times answered one shot with 4 and 5.

[scartissue]

Couple more Kalambay fights

Sumbu Kalambay vs Mike McCallum II

R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-10 Even
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 MM
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-9 MM
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 SK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 SK
R12.10-10

Mike McCallum 116-115

This was really a fight of two very different halves. In the first, McCallum looks very determined and outworks Kalambay, jabbing and bodypunching much more than he did in there first bout. In the second half, Kalambay comes more into it by slipping and countering effectively and often looking the fitter of the two. The difference in the end on my scorecard came down to McCallum being just a little more dominant in the 1st half.

Sumbu Kalambay vs Herol Graham II

R1.10-9 HG
R2.10-7 HG (Kalambay down twice from right hooks to the head)
R3.10-9 SK (Graham hurt near the end, but he's still too busy for Kalambay to have a 2 pt rd)
R4.9-9 Even (1 pt taken from Graham)
R5.10-9 HG
R6.10-9 HG
R7.10-9 HG
R8.10-9 HG
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-9 HG
R11.10-9 HG
R12.10-8 SK (1 pt taken from Graham)

Herol Graham 115-109

This was a horrible UD decision for Kalambay, who landed the better shots after the 2nd rd, but who was continually outworked by Graham who so many times answered one shot with 4 and 5.

Seamus, I had it a bit closer than you but I agree that Herol deserved this decision. I am now intrigued with the 2nd McCallum-Kalambay fight. I'll have to sit down and score it this weekend. BTW, here is what I wrote when I saw the 2nd Graham-Kalambay fight.



Here was a damn good fight. The second Sumbu Kalambay - Herol Graham fight. I started to watch their first fight, but the second round was missing on youtube and I just stopped realizing it's probably highlights only, but then I saw this one. Fought in a small ring, which obviously favored Kalambay and I'm assuming the 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Graham
Round 2: 10-7 Graham (although I read about this fight, I just don't remember reading that Graham scored two knockdowns this round)
Round 3: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 4: 10-8 Kalambay (the ref didn't care for Graham's penchant for spinning his opponent. He warned him twice and then deducted a point)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Graham
Round 7: 10-9 Graham
Round 8: 10-9 Graham
Round 9: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Graham
Round 12: 10-8 Kalambay (I have no idea why Graham had this point deducted)

Total: 114-112 Graham

Definitely thought Herol deserved this one. But good fight and they fought their hearts out.

[Counter-puncher]

I think I scored McCallum-Kalumbay 2 exactly the same as seamus did

[Counter-puncher]

I started to watch a fight last night, I will have to sit down and score it tonight, Betulio Gonzalez - Guty Espadas. I've searched he site and never seen it discussed but this fight looked like a tremendous battle

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I started to watch a fight last night, I will have to sit down and score it tonight, Betulio Gonzalez - Guty Espadas. I've searched he site and never seen it discussed but this fight looked like a tremendous battle

Counter, I recall reading about this fight when it happened back in the day - the old INTERNATIONAL BOXING mags - I won't ruin it for you by telling what was reported, but I'm going to check the fight out too. Thanks for the heads up on this fight.

[Counter-puncher]

I started to watch a fight last night, I will have to sit down and score it tonight, Betulio Gonzalez - Guty Espadas. I've searched he site and never seen it discussed but this fight looked like a tremendous battle

Counter, I recall reading about this fight when it happened back in the day - the old INTERNATIONAL BOXING mags - I won't ruin it for you by telling what was reported, but I'm going to check the fight out too. Thanks for the heads up on this fight.

i only saw the first couple of rounds, and my eyes nearly popped out, mate

[Seamus]

Haven't been able to find Kalambay v Graham I in it's entirety, so I'm interested to seeing how accurate the scores were. Kalambay looked a bit ringworn by there second fight, but his skills were pretty good for the first. I know in the first bout he had Graham in trouble in the final minute.

[Counter-puncher]

Haven't been able to find Kalambay v Graham I in it's entirety, so I'm interested to seeing how accurate the scores were. Kalambay looked a bit ringworn by there second fight, but his skills were pretty good for the first. I know in the first bout he had Graham in trouble in the final minute.

oh, yes, big trouble, nobody until he fought jackson had Graham anything like that hurt

[Seamus]

Yoko Gushiken vs Martin Vargas

R1.10-9 YG
R2.10-9 YG
R3.10-10 (Vargas look's to have Gushiken in some trouble, but Yoko comes back strong)
R4.10-9 YG
R5.10-8 YG (Vargas down from a beautiful right jab-straight left to the head)
R6.10-9 YG
R7.10-9 MV

Yoko Gushiken TKO 8 ahead 69-64 on my card at the time.

Vargas made it competitive whenever he through flurries, but he spent most of the fight looking for openings that weren't there. In the 8th, Gushiken dropped him with a flurry punctuated by a left cross, then dropped again with a short right hook, and then stopped him with a flurry on the ropes.

Muangchai Kittikasem vs Tacy Macalos

I gave Kittikasem the 10th and had the 1st and the 11th even for a score of 119-111 for Tacy Macalos. Alot of the rds in this fight were close, but in the end Macalos just consistently landed more, though if there was a bright side of this ridiculous decision, it was that Macalos had been getting away with low blows in nearly every rd, making Kittikasem's durability look truly impressive. THe Philippine judge scored it for his countryman 118-112.

[Counter-puncher]

I started to watch a fight last night, I will have to sit down and score it tonight, Betulio Gonzalez - Guty Espadas. I've searched he site and never seen it discussed but this fight looked like a tremendous battle

Counter, I recall reading about this fight when it happened back in the day - the old INTERNATIONAL BOXING mags - I won't ruin it for you by telling what was reported, but I'm going to check the fight out too. Thanks for the heads up on this fight.

i only saw the first couple of rounds, and my eyes nearly popped out, mate

Wow, I hope I don't oversell this but I thought it was a really good fight

Gonzalez Espadas
9 10
9 10
9 10
9 10
10 9
I0 9
9 10
10 9
9 10
9 10
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
9 10

142-144 Espadas

I can't call it a robbery although the one judge giving it 148-144 Gonzalez is a little way out IMO, but there was a lot of close quarters action difficult to score, and four or five close rounds, plus I'm not usually unequivocal in scoring anyway.

I had a look at Betulios career, what an incredible run he had, losing titles and winning them back and still remaining competitive enough to get a SD loss against Laciar in the 80s a full decade after his first world title bouts. Gonzalez must have been an iron man to manage to stay at flyweight so long, and in this fight he shows his toughness to come through some serious fire.

Reminds me of little red vs Ayala somewhat, as the taller stiff guy gets blasted in two fisted attacks but his strength allows him to come on later. Still, it was Espadas who had the other guy hurt in the brilliant last round, as stirring a final round as you will see and astonishing in the context of the 15 round attritional war that preceded it

[Counter-puncher]

By he way, as tough as betulio shows himself to be, it makes the fact that Borkorsor destroyed him all the more impressive

[Counter-puncher]

Oh my lord, this one I am in no danger of overselling

From 1981, super flyweights, Gustavo Ballas and Rafael Pedrosa. How did I never hear of this fight and how have I never heard of Ballas?!

Ballas. Pedrosa
9 10
9 10
10 9
9 10
10 9
10 9
10 10
9 10
10 9
10 9 astonishing round
9 10
10 10
10 9
10 9
9 10

144-143 Ballas in one of the best fights I have ever seen. I'm going to have to check more of Ballas out, there are times, quite lengthy periods, where he looks like Duran crossed with Locche. Seriously. I only came across this fight when it was mentioned in the Gilberto Roman - Sugar Baby Rojas 2 commentary, and I am so glad I did. For all Ballas's frequent genius-or-near-genius, Pedrosas persistence is incredible, a classic example of a fight with varied scores and I can't really disagree too much with any of them, such a torrid pace and so many close rounds, what a fight.

I take it it goes without saying, this one is recommended!

[Counter-puncher]

I loved Shibata. He didn't have the greatest of jaws, but loved the way he could compensate. He might lose to some big bangers like Villaflor, Dwight Hawkins, Escalera and Clemente Sanchez, yet, beat bangers like Villaflor, Vicente Saldivar and Ricardo Arredondo. He had a lot to his game. But while looking at some of his fights I found this gem from '76. I was really following Alfonso Lopez back in the day and his career took a downward spiral after this fight. His jaw was never right again. But nevertheless here is the first Alfonso Lopez - Guty Espadas fight. 10 point must system and let me tell you, Lopez put on a clinic against a hard banger until getting caught in the 12th.

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Espadas
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Lopez
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Lopez
Round 12: 10-7 Espadas (2 knockdowns)
Round 13: TKO for Espadas with 3 more knockdowns

Through 12 rounds: 116-111 Lopez

It's always difficult seeing a fighter do some great work (Olivares against Arguello and Tate against Weaver) and then getting caught late. But that's boxing.

My card was the same, except I gave Espadas the 7th.

Lopez was a real smooth boxer, his stance and style remind me of Esteban Dejesus more than somewhat, one thing I will say though, that style that looks so good when he is fresh deteriorates pretty quickly when he tired, all those cute moves require a lot of energy and balance and coordination and once he tires, the same moves that got him effortlessly out of trouble early get him clocked later on. Espadas has to walk through some tremendous counter right hands to win this one

[scartissue]

Oh my lord, this one I am in no danger of overselling

From 1981, super flyweights, Gustavo Ballas and Rafael Pedrosa. How did I never hear of this fight and how have I never heard of Ballas?!

Ballas. Pedrosa
9 10
9 10
10 9
9 10
10 9
10 9
10 10
9 10
10 9
10 9 astonishing round
9 10
10 10
10 9
10 9
9 10

144-143 Ballas in one of the best fights I have ever seen. I'm going to have to check more of Ballas out, there are times, quite lengthy periods, where he looks like Duran crossed with Locche. Seriously. I only came across this fight when it was mentioned in the Gilberto Roman - Sugar Baby Rojas 2 commentary, and I am so glad I did. For all Ballas's frequent genius-or-near-genius, Pedrosas persistence is incredible, a classic example of a fight with varied scores and I can't really disagree too much with any of them, such a torrid pace and so many close rounds, what a fight.

I take it it goes without saying, this one is recommended!

Counter, you did not oversell this. Wow! I remember when this took place and I was really surprised reading the result for a couple of reasons. One, was the fact that Ballas had already beaten Pedroza and two, was that he had such an incredible unbeaten record I didn't think he would be beaten for awhile. And certainly not by someone with such a mediocre record. To tell you the truth, Pedroza didn't even deserve a shot at the title. He had lost 3 out of his last 4, but he turned in a performance for the ages. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 3: 10-9 Ballas
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 6: 10-9 Ballas
Round 7: 10-9 Ballas
Round 8: 10-9 Ballas
Round 9: 10-9 Ballas
Round 10: 10-9 Ballas (I wouldn't hold it against anyone if they scored this round 10-8)
Round 11: 10-9 Pedroza (Ballas really took his foot off the pedal after that last round)
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza (I wrote on my card, 'or even', it was that close)
Round 13: 10-9 Ballas
Round 14: 10-10 Even
Round 15: 10-9 Pedroza

Total: 145-143 Ballas

There are so many rounds that could have been scored even or for the other guy because it really comes down to your criteria. Do you prefer Ballas' slick pot-shotting or Pedroza's steady body work. Interesting side note about Ballas that came out around this time was that he was a complete alcoholic while fighting at world class level. I wonder if the Ballas-Watanabe fight is out there. If memory serves me correctly, there was some issue with one of Ballas' boxing boots and he retired in his corner???? I can't remember now. But again, thanks for putting me onto this one, Counter. Great fight.

[Counter-puncher]

yeah, the only other Ballas fight I can see available is against the Korean, Bae, I think.

What a waste of talent, he clearly could have done a lot more, the way he can roll under and to the side and f shots whilst throwing multiple combinations is very impressive indeed.

It seems the judges agreed with you on the even rounds too, looking at the scoring. On the 10th I considered a 10/8, but Pedrosa kept his hands moving and didn't quite let himself get overwhelmed.

[Counter-puncher]

Just watched a great old 10 rounder that I never knew was out there. Mando Ramos vs. Kang-IL Suh from 1967. Here we go, California scoring system: Up to 5 points for a round (generally just one point unless there is a knockdown or multiple knockdowns where further points can be added) and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Suh
Round 2: Suh
Round 3: Ramos
Round 4: Ramos
Round 5: Suh
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Ramos
Round 9: Suh
Round 10: Even

Total: 4-3 Suh

This was the 18 year old Ramos' first loss. I'm amazed myself of having 3 even rounds in a 10 rounder, but although Suh was throwing a lot of flashy combos to the head, Ramos' bodywork was something else and can't go unmentioned. I would have loved to have been ringside for this one. I'll bet the thumping sound from those body shots would have been sickening. Fair play to both fighters for a great 10 rounder.

I had it:

Suh
Suh
Ramos
Ramos
Suh
Ramos
Ramos
Ramos
Suh
Suh

Dead even and a genuine draw in my opinion where the draw is the fairest result

[scartissue]

yeah, the only other Ballas fight I can see available is against the Korean, Bae, I think.

What a waste of talent, he clearly could have done a lot more, the way he can roll under and to the side and f shots whilst throwing multiple combinations is very impressive indeed.

It seems the judges agreed with you on the even rounds too, looking at the scoring. On the 10th I considered a 10/8, but Pedrosa kept his hands moving and didn't quite let himself get overwhelmed.

Counter, I found the Ballas-Watanabe fight. Here is the link below

https://youtu.be/VhjvsRjYut8

My scorecard:

Round 1: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 2: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 3: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 6: 10-9 Ballas
Round 7: 10-9 Watanabe
Round 8: 10-9 Ballas
Round 9: TKO for Watanabe

Total through 8 rounds: 78-75 Watanabe

It was Watanabe keeping Ballas off with his jab and sharp combos through most of the fight. When Ballas got through he would give Jiro a good body thumping. Rounds 6, 7 and 8 were really good as they were tit-for-tat rounds. The 9th was strange because Ballas seemed to have his wits about him when Jiro was going to town on him. I can't recall the issue I heard about this fight. Something about Ballas' boxing shoe. For the life of me I don't remember. Maybe he was wearing 2 left boots. LOL! Anyways, another good fight. I think you'll like it.

[scartissue]

Counter, if you liked Ramos-Suh, then you will love the now legendary fight between Mando Ramos and Sugar Ramos. A 10 round blood-bath war. Here we go, California scoring in effect. 1 point for a winner of the round, an additional point if a knockdown is scored and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Mando
Round 2: Mando
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Sugar
Round 5: Mando
Round 6: Mando
Round 7: Sugar
Round 8: Sugar
Round 9: Sugar
Round 10: Mando

Total: 5-4 Mando Ramos

From rounds 3 to the end there is only minimal commentary due to the west coast TV station having to switch to the news and they would comment only sporadically. Again, what a war!

[scartissue]

Guys, on a side-note, I was so curious what it was that was so controversial about the Ballas-Watanabe fight that I had to look it up. I joked about Ballas wearing 2 left shoes, but as it turns out, that was exactly what it was. It must have been clinging to my brain. Ballas fought the entire fight wearing 2 left boots. I think it was because that was all that was available. What I didn't know was that the bell had rung, but referee Rudy Jordan stopped the fight anyway, which I think was crazy. Give the man an opportunity to recover between rounds. He didn't look the worse for wear.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You guys are so good at digging up YouTube fights. Can anyone find and score the two Chaplin/page robberies and Fletcher/Jackson? The latter was a war.