SUGAR RAY was floored by Who

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 04 Jan 2002, 21:43

Garth Panter was once a great fighter he retired and got Parkinson's Syndrome
He won at least 49 fights that I know of.
On this website his record is incomplete. he also floored robinson in the first round, robinson got up to win the fight though

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lamphey · Post by **lamphey** » 05 Jan 2002, 07:15

From various sources:

Mitsos Grispos
Oliver White
Jake LaMotta.2
Jake LaMotta.3
Artie Levine
Tommy Bell.2
Rocky Graziano
Rocky Castellani
Gene Fullmer.1
Wilf Greaves.1
Wilf Greaves.2
Joey Giardello
Joey Archer

I don't have the fight report of your grandad, but both Robinson biographies I have mention the Panter fight but not the knockdown.

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 05 Jan 2002, 11:33

well ring magazine did an article about him and it said he floored him in the first round, and that he was really surprised that he actually knocked the champion down, they also say he was a crowd favorite, and that he was a real contender but I've never seen his complete record, I have posters of him that say he knocked out a lot of fighters from his day.(like 49 or somthing)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04 Feb 2002, 23:42

How about Paul Pender? Didn't he beat Sugar Ray twice in Late 50's and early 60's ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 05 Feb 2002, 16:28

On 2002-01-05 15:33, boxingrules wrote:
well ring magazine did an article about him and it said he floored him in the first round, and that he was really surprised that he actually knocked the champion down,

if you mean the Panter interview in The Ring May 2000, I just read it and it says
"Robinson was badly wobbled by a right to the head and had to grab the middle rope to stay upright."
Panter did not floor Robinson.

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 05 Feb 2002, 18:40

nope, i'm talkin' about the article they did in 1997

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 05 Feb 2002, 18:42

On 2002-02-05 22:40, boxingrules wrote:
nope, i'm talkin' about the article they did in 1997

which month was that? i would be interested to read it.

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 05 Feb 2002, 18:47

there is one from June '97
and another one that says Summer 1997
do you have a copy of the one they did in may 2000?
he's my grandfather and so I would really like to have one

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 06 Feb 2002, 18:43

On 2002-02-05 22:47, boxingrules wrote:
there is one from June '97
and another one that says Summer 1997
do you have a copy of the one they did in may 2000?
he's my grandfather and so I would really like to have one

yes, i have the may 2000 issue, that's where they say Panter wobbled Robinson in the first round (but didn't floor him). There's also a nice picture of Panter landing a right on Robinson.

if you want to get hold of the May 2000 issue with the 5-page feature on Panter, your best bet is to get a current issue and order May 2000 from the back issue section. They have a two page spread listing all the back issues and their contents.

BTW, ive looked at the june '97 issue (and the rest of '97) but I can't find any mention of Garth Panter.

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 06 Feb 2002, 19:56

thanx for ur info.
I can't remember if it was the ring magazine.
It might be another boxing mag, i'll look into it

boxingrules · Post by **boxingrules** » 06 Feb 2002, 20:49

the magazine is call Ring Sports.
Sorry about my Goof up.

tlopic75 · Post by **tlopic75** » 05 May 2002, 22:17

Sugar Ray was definetely floored by Graziano and Lamotta.

guest · Post by **guest** » 23 Nov 2002, 16:00

Anonymous wrote:How about Paul Pender? Didn't he beat Sugar Ray twice in Late 50's and early 60's ?

Yes, Paul Pender beat Sugar Ray on 6/10/60 and 1/22/60

guest · Post by **guest** » 23 Nov 2002, 16:02

Anonymous wrote:How about Paul Pender? Didn't he beat Sugar Ray twice in Late 50's and early 60's ?

Yes, Paul Pender beat Sugar Ray on 6/10/60 and 1/22/60

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 24 Nov 2002, 02:52

Paul Pender beat Robinson twice, but didn't knock him down. Then Pender retired and an early example of double title holders resulted, with Terry Downes, Dick Tiger and Fullmer and I forget who else in the mix. Too sleepy to check it all out now, but at that time we thought THAT was confusing. Little did we anticipate the multi claimants now.

A sports writer covering the fight for title in which Bell knocked Robinson down said, "Robinson looks gracefull even when he's hitting the canvas.

I remember seeing Garth Panter on some tv fights. Aggressive and tough and fought some good fighters.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 16 Mar 2003, 15:14

Terap.....I saw the Robinson?Castellani fight on live TV, and I remember the knockdown. It was a close fight, but Robonson came on strong later and I thought he deserved the decision...he simply dug down and outgutted Castellani. He was so impressive, when it was obvious that his skills had eroded that he got a standing ovation and had to bow to the four sides of the. All those "comeback" fights made the think he couldn't beat Olsen,and when he did i thought it was an oddity that we had a world champion who wouldn't be able to go fifteen rounds with a legit contender; that he'dave to score knockouts. Well..I was wrong, wasn't I.

In the knockldowns , the folks in Cleveland thought the Sugar man got a long count against Artie Levine...but he did get up and and cold cocked Levine..in the next round, I think.

Back to Castellani...while I was watching the fight I thought Ray was on the way to a loss, because Castellani wasn't really a hard puncher, and that it was an indication that Robinson was far from his peak form.

Simonpure · Post by **Simonpure** » 21 Mar 2003, 01:08

Flex....It seems incredulous that someone with your passion
for boxing could refer to the late Joey Maxim as "second rate".
He was, as you well know, the light-heavyweight champion of
the world and an inductee in the Boxing Hall of Fame. If that
doesn't merit "first rate' consideration, what are your standards?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 21 Mar 2003, 01:42

flex....first, Maxim. Far from a second rater. He fought as a heavyweight for a while when he was really a light heavy and had a win over Jersey Joe Walcott,sent Ollie Tandberg, who outweighed him by a ton back to Sweden and has wins over Jimmy Bivins and Bob Satterfeld. Dropped down to light heavy, beat Freddie Mills and Gus Lesnevich. He fought in the best light heavy era, which was headed by charles and Moore, both of whom beat him but not by knockouts.Was knocked out only once once in his long career buy the thunderous Hatchetman Sheppard, of whom you have probably never heard. Had a great chin and was an excellent boxer. Robinson actually staggered him a couple of times before the famous heat collapse.

Lamotta was, along with charley Burley, the best middleweight in the world. The fact that Robinson,as a welter and giving away anywhere from 12 to fifteen pounds in their pre-title fights beat him shows Robinson's greatness...as did getting back into the ring when he was knocked half way ouf of it. How come you don't mention the five fights Robinson WON..against maybe the strongest middle weight ever. but....hey..history is there...just learn it. I can't teach you everything.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 21 Mar 2003, 16:24

Walcott lost to Maxim in 1946, in Camden,Walcott's home town. (her beat him in 1947) He fought Marciano in 1952 ans 1953.

Show me one place in my post where I said Maxim was a great fighter.

This said, I agree that we can do these disciussions, disagreements, whatever without making personal attacks, and I'm happy we're both doing so.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 07 Apr 2003, 08:56

I also believe Tommy Bell knocked Sugar down.

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