Is Haye Bellew a one-sided fight?

[Crease]

Bellew was a podgy light heavy weight, a fat cruiserweight, he has no business at heavy weight.

I tend to agree with your analysis. But it was Bellew who pushed and pushed for the fight.

[CMDY]

Bellew was a podgy light heavy weight, a fat cruiserweight, he has no business at heavy weight.

I tend to agree with your analysis. But it was Bellew who pushed and pushed for the fight.

Another PPV pile of cash for Tony Bellew, think that's what he pushed for. It's been like a pantomime.

[Crease]

Another PPV pile of cash for Tony Bellew, think that's what he pushed for. It's been like a pantomime.

Yeah. When Bellew was asked why he sought the Haye fight he said it was because Haye was one of the best Cruiserweights of all time.

Still, I'll be buying the fight. It will be nice to see Haye put manners to Bellew.

And let's be honest, it would be nice to see Bellew being taken down a peg or two. And him getting blasted on the face a few times would certainly do that.

[magwitch]

Let’s see what happens after a few punches have been thrown. It’s exactly this type of “of course” attitude that made me make the thread.

So are you going on record saying you think this isn't a one-sided fight?

Well?

It’s like being on the hook with Paxman this is
Sure, if it makes you feel good, I’ll go “on the record”.
Magwitch said......there’s no such thing (well, very hardly ever) a sure thing in boxing.
Should this not end in an early KO for Haye then there’ll be a lot of slopey-offys around here, no doubt.

[Boxerbeetle]

So are you going on record saying you think this isn't a one-sided fight?

Well?

It’s like being on the hook with Paxman this is
Sure, if it makes you feel good, I’ll go “on the record”.
Magwitch said......there’s no such thing (well, very hardly ever) a sure thing in boxing.
Should this not end in an early KO for Haye then there’ll be a lot of slopey-offys around here, no doubt.

Saying there's no such thing as a sure thing in boxing is absolutely not the same as saying it isn't a one-sided fight

[magwitch]

Well?

It’s like being on the hook with Paxman this is
Sure, if it makes you feel good, I’ll go “on the record”.
Magwitch said......there’s no such thing (well, very hardly ever) a sure thing in boxing.
Should this not end in an early KO for Haye then there’ll be a lot of slopey-offys around here, no doubt.

Saying there's no such thing as a sure thing in boxing is absolutely not the same as saying it isn't a one-sided fight

Sorry I’m trying to cancel out all the double negatives in your post like a maths equation, and I’m struggling to comprehend what you just said.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing in boxing (away from the Mayweather type level) and yes, I give Bellew a chance. I think it goes well into the second half, potentially. Bellew has sufficient power to buzz Haye as much as he likes, and even force a stoppage of his own. I’m not saying he will - I just am not ruling it out, like that lot ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.

[Boxerbeetle]

It’s like being on the hook with Paxman this is
Sure, if it makes you feel good, I’ll go “on the record”.
Magwitch said......there’s no such thing (well, very hardly ever) a sure thing in boxing.
Should this not end in an early KO for Haye then there’ll be a lot of slopey-offys around here, no doubt.

Saying there's no such thing as a sure thing in boxing is absolutely not the same as saying it isn't a one-sided fight

Sorry I’m trying to cancel out all the double negatives in your post like a maths equation, and I’m struggling to comprehend what you just said.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing in boxing (away from the Mayweather type level) and yes, I give Bellew a chance. I think it goes well into the second half, potentially. Bellew has sufficient power to buzz Haye as much as he likes, and even force a stoppage of his own. I’m not saying he will - I just am not ruling it out, like that lot ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.

I didn't think the sentence was structured in a particularly complicated way, but will try to dumb it down in future

My point is - no-one is completely ruling out a Bellew win. But it is extremely unlikely, and this is reflected in the bookmakers' odds. Simply saying "there's no such thing as a sure thing" adds nothing to the debate at all; a child who'd never even seen a boxing match could say the same.

[dalcumly]

This is a hard fight for me to predict, although I've voted for Bellew to do it.

Haye is SHOT - he's gone. He hasn't had a serious fight for almost 5 years, he's changed his trainer, he's had a serious shoulder injury and he's now much heavier than his fight with Chisora. This fight for him means one thing - money - and I'm not criticising him for that, but when this is a fighters ONLY motivator , that becomes a problem. Obviously he'll still have the punch power for the first couple of rounds and if Bellew is stupid enough , and I don't think he is, and comes for a war, he'll get knocked out early.
I think Bellew will come out on the move and when Haye gets close he'll try to tie him up and frustrate him. If the fight reaches the halfway stage, Bellew will start to punish Haye and look for a 'corner' retirement by Haye citing an injured shoulder.

This is why my prediction's on shaky ground. Its not about Haye, its about Bellew. How does he approach the fight?

If I've got to choose my prediction is a Haye retirement between the 6th and 7th round.

[gazza8]

Bellew isnt a tough guy lol look at what he promised against Stevenson and was totally in his shell, produced one of the most embarassing performances away from home by a UK fighter and was totally and blown away.

Haye is around 2 stone heavier and hits alot harder, Bellew hasnt improved or fought anyone in a decent class since then and been buzzed in just about every fight. Haye has been hit by harder hitting opponents and not looked in the way Bellews been. Its a no lose for Bellew as he gets the payday, keeps some credability losing to the bigger man and moves back down to defends his title in another payday.

This is really just a way to get Haye back into the publics eye, build up the fight with Joshua and get them both a ppv payday...which the casuals will buy into the hype and fall for it again...thats the business folks.

But this is possibly a more 1 sided fight that Khan-Alvarez or Brook-GGG

[gazza8]

Saying there's no such thing as a sure thing in boxing is absolutely not the same as saying it isn't a one-sided fight

Sorry I’m trying to cancel out all the double negatives in your post like a maths equation, and I’m struggling to comprehend what you just said.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing in boxing (away from the Mayweather type level) and yes, I give Bellew a chance. I think it goes well into the second half, potentially. Bellew has sufficient power to buzz Haye as much as he likes, and even force a stoppage of his own. I’m not saying he will - I just am not ruling it out, like that lot ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.

I didn't think the sentence was structured in a particularly complicated way, but will try to dumb it down in future

My point is - no-one is completely ruling out a Bellew win. But it is extremely unlikely, and this is reflected in the bookmakers' odds. Simply saying "there's no such thing as a sure thing" adds nothing to the debate at all; a child who'd never even seen a boxing match could say the same.

Your wrong im completely ruling out a Bellew win. The only argument is Haye is shot.....which there is no evidence to suggest? Bellew just isnt any good

[magwitch]

Saying there's no such thing as a sure thing in boxing is absolutely not the same as saying it isn't a one-sided fight

Sorry I’m trying to cancel out all the double negatives in your post like a maths equation, and I’m struggling to comprehend what you just said.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing in boxing (away from the Mayweather type level) and yes, I give Bellew a chance. I think it goes well into the second half, potentially. Bellew has sufficient power to buzz Haye as much as he likes, and even force a stoppage of his own. I’m not saying he will - I just am not ruling it out, like that lot ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.

I didn't think the sentence was structured in a particularly complicated way, but will try to dumb it down in future

My point is - no-one is completely ruling out a Bellew win. But it is extremely unlikely, and this is reflected in the bookmakers' odds. Simply saying "there's no such thing as a sure thing" adds nothing to the debate at all; a child who'd never even seen a boxing match could say the same.

What are you on about children for now? What a strange parallel to draw...
Loads of people here have written Bellew off fundamentally and clearly - including you. I have not.
I’m not interested in bookmakers. Schmuckmakers.

[Boxerbeetle]

Sorry I’m trying to cancel out all the double negatives in your post like a maths equation, and I’m struggling to comprehend what you just said.
There’s no such thing as a sure thing in boxing (away from the Mayweather type level) and yes, I give Bellew a chance. I think it goes well into the second half, potentially. Bellew has sufficient power to buzz Haye as much as he likes, and even force a stoppage of his own. I’m not saying he will - I just am not ruling it out, like that lot ΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.

I didn't think the sentence was structured in a particularly complicated way, but will try to dumb it down in future

My point is - no-one is completely ruling out a Bellew win. But it is extremely unlikely, and this is reflected in the bookmakers' odds. Simply saying "there's no such thing as a sure thing" adds nothing to the debate at all; a child who'd never even seen a boxing match could say the same.

What are you on about children for now? What a strange parallel to draw...
Loads of people here have written Bellew off fundamentally and clearly - including you. I have not.
I’m not interested in bookmakers. Schmuckmakers.

Yes, your entire 'argument' is based on the fact that nothing is guaranteed in boxing. Terrific insight, well done.

[TheLeprechaun]

I didn't think the sentence was structured in a particularly complicated way, but will try to dumb it down in future

My point is - no-one is completely ruling out a Bellew win. But it is extremely unlikely, and this is reflected in the bookmakers' odds. Simply saying "there's no such thing as a sure thing" adds nothing to the debate at all; a child who'd never even seen a boxing match could say the same.

What are you on about children for now? What a strange parallel to draw...
Loads of people here have written Bellew off fundamentally and clearly - including you. I have not.
I’m not interested in bookmakers. Schmuckmakers.

Yes, your entire 'argument' is based on the fact that nothing is guaranteed in boxing. Terrific insight, well done.

To be fair, people aren't really analysing the fight. I've only read a handful of posts where people actually break down what might happen in the fight technically. It's no secret that Bellew is a very disliked figure on these forums. He's a complete tosser, no question about it, and I'd like to see him starched myself. I think myself that if he comes to pull the second instalment of the McKenzie masterclass, which I'm 100% certain he will, he's not going to be easy to beat.

You've got people here who think Bellew is coming out swinging. No chance. He's terrified of Haye's power like he was of Ovils.

[crusader]

Ovill is very crude, and much slower and less accurate than Haye. Totally different levels.....

[jamesmcdonnell]

This is a hard fight for me to predict, although I've voted for Bellew to do it.

Haye is SHOT - he's gone. He hasn't had a serious fight for almost 5 years, he's changed his trainer, he's had a serious shoulder injury and he's now much heavier than his fight with Chisora. This fight for him means one thing - money - and I'm not criticising him for that, but when this is a fighters ONLY motivator , that becomes a problem. Obviously he'll still have the punch power for the first couple of rounds and if Bellew is stupid enough , and I don't think he is, and comes for a war, he'll get knocked out early.
I think Bellew will come out on the move and when Haye gets close he'll try to tie him up and frustrate him. If the fight reaches the halfway stage, Bellew will start to punish Haye and look for a 'corner' retirement by Haye citing an injured shoulder.

This is why my prediction's on shaky ground. Its not about Haye, its about Bellew. How does he approach the fight?

If I've got to choose my prediction is a Haye retirement between the 6th and 7th round.

Poppycock. There's no evidence Haye is shot. You're hoping he is, so that you look clever.

It's possible his shoulder will go, but he's not shot. He's only 34 for god's sake, that's pretty much prime for heavyweights these days.

[Flump]

This is a cynical piece of matchmaking sold purely on Bellew's ability to talk. To be fair to Haye he's not trying to dress it up as anything that it isn't, effectively it's another tune up for him against a pretty limited guy making his debut at Heavyweight.

Bellew's eyes were rolling after Stevenson clocked him, only the ref in that fight saved him from getting really hurt. After some fencing for a couple of minutes I think it will be near the end of the first round that Haye tags him, Bellew goes back to his corner on unsteady legs then gets blasted out in round 2.

Haye then is in line for a title shot without having fought a live body in 4 years and Bellew tells us that he wasn't a heavyweight anyway and goes back to Cruiserweight, both make plenty of money and the fans spend another £16.95 on a mismatched main event. Happy days.

[Syntax Error]

Bellew was a podgy light heavy weight, a fat cruiserweight, he has no business at heavy weight. Of course it is a mismatch- look at the bookies odds FFS-! Bellew will be Knocked out the minute Haye connects. Haye could stand and let Bellew have a free shot at him and he wouldn't knock him out.
The fight is a complete and utter farce, sold on the bank of pantomime antics. Shame on anyone who buys it and shame on me for even dscussing it and giving it attention on here.

Bellew wasn't a podgy LHW; he's not even a podgy CW.

He was pencil thin at 175 & he does look a little softer now at CW, but he doesn't look like he's carrying too much podge.

[bigjack]

This is a hard fight for me to predict, although I've voted for Bellew to do it.

Haye is SHOT - he's gone. He hasn't had a serious fight for almost 5 years, he's changed his trainer, he's had a serious shoulder injury and he's now much heavier than his fight with Chisora. This fight for him means one thing - money - and I'm not criticising him for that, but when this is a fighters ONLY motivator , that becomes a problem. Obviously he'll still have the punch power for the first couple of rounds and if Bellew is stupid enough , and I don't think he is, and comes for a war, he'll get knocked out early.
I think Bellew will come out on the move and when Haye gets close he'll try to tie him up and frustrate him. If the fight reaches the halfway stage, Bellew will start to punish Haye and look for a 'corner' retirement by Haye citing an injured shoulder.

This is why my prediction's on shaky ground. Its not about Haye, its about Bellew. How does he approach the fight?

If I've got to choose my prediction is a Haye retirement between the 6th and 7th round.

Poppycock. There's no evidence Haye is shot. You're hoping he is, so that you look clever.

It's possible his shoulder will go, but he's not shot. He's only 34 for god's sake, that's pretty much prime for heavyweights these days.

36,just saying

[Supremo]

Bellew was a podgy light heavy weight, a fat cruiserweight, he has no business at heavy weight. Of course it is a mismatch- look at the bookies odds FFS-! Bellew will be Knocked out the minute Haye connects. Haye could stand and let Bellew have a free shot at him and he wouldn't knock him out.
The fight is a complete and utter farce, sold on the bank of pantomime antics. Shame on anyone who buys it and shame on me for even dscussing it and giving it attention on here.

Bellew wasn't a podgy LHW; he's not even a podgy CW.

He was pencil thin at 175 & he does look a little softer now at CW, but he doesn't look like he's carrying too much podge.

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light heavy- hardly lean is he? Could easily have made super middle and shaved 7lbs of fat from his frame.


That's him at cruiser- not a bit of definition on his body- all he has added is useless flan pure and simple.

[Boxerbeetle]

Bellew was a podgy light heavy weight, a fat cruiserweight, he has no business at heavy weight. Of course it is a mismatch- look at the bookies odds FFS-! Bellew will be Knocked out the minute Haye connects. Haye could stand and let Bellew have a free shot at him and he wouldn't knock him out.
The fight is a complete and utter farce, sold on the bank of pantomime antics. Shame on anyone who buys it and shame on me for even dscussing it and giving it attention on here.

Bellew wasn't a podgy LHW; he's not even a podgy CW.

He was pencil thin at 175 & he does look a little softer now at CW, but he doesn't look like he's carrying too much podge.

-
light heavy- hardly lean is he? Could easily have made super middle and shaved 7lbs of fat from his frame.


That's him at cruiser- not a bit of definition on his body- all he has added is useless flan pure and simple.

Compared to someone like Usyk, Bellew is a poor specimen at Cruiser indeed:

[Cholo_cws]

This is a hard fight for me to predict, although I've voted for Bellew to do it.

Haye is SHOT - he's gone. He hasn't had a serious fight for almost 5 years, he's changed his trainer, he's had a serious shoulder injury and he's now much heavier than his fight with Chisora. This fight for him means one thing - money - and I'm not criticising him for that, but when this is a fighters ONLY motivator , that becomes a problem. Obviously he'll still have the punch power for the first couple of rounds and if Bellew is stupid enough , and I don't think he is, and comes for a war, he'll get knocked out early.
I think Bellew will come out on the move and when Haye gets close he'll try to tie him up and frustrate him. If the fight reaches the halfway stage, Bellew will start to punish Haye and look for a 'corner' retirement by Haye citing an injured shoulder.

This is why my prediction's on shaky ground. Its not about Haye, its about Bellew. How does he approach the fight?

If I've got to choose my prediction is a Haye retirement between the 6th and 7th round.

I must admit that at now 36 and inactive I keep wondering just how sharp Haye is these days. It's his speed and accuracy that made him dangerous and if this has diminished significantly then I give Bellew a decent chance - I'll have lost quite a bit at the bookies though if he does pull it off.

[Supremo]

Bellew wasn't a podgy LHW; he's not even a podgy CW.

He was pencil thin at 175 & he does look a little softer now at CW, but he doesn't look like he's carrying too much podge.

-
light heavy- hardly lean is he? Could easily have made super middle and shaved 7lbs of fat from his frame.


That's him at cruiser- not a bit of definition on his body- all he has added is useless flan pure and simple.

Compared to someone like Usyk, Bellew is a poor specimen at Cruiser indeed:

Here is Haye at Cruiser.
Now boxing isn't body building. You can't telll anything about fitness from someone's physique but you can tell what there lean body mass is and how much fat they are carrying. Bellew is carrying masses of the stuff compared to Haye and it is all useless weight.
This is a fight between someone who is a proper heavyweight and someone who is a light heavyweight with a couple of stone of uselsss dead weight hanging on them.

[Stuarty]

Bellew isnt a tough guy lol look at what he promised against Stevenson and was totally in his shell, produced one of the most embarassing performances away from home by a UK fighter and was totally and blown away.

Haye is around 2 stone heavier and hits alot harder, Bellew hasnt improved or fought anyone in a decent class since then and been buzzed in just about every fight. Haye has been hit by harder hitting opponents and not looked in the way Bellews been. Its a no lose for Bellew as he gets the payday, keeps some credability losing to the bigger man and moves back down to defends his title in another payday.

This is really just a way to get Haye back into the publics eye, build up the fight with Joshua and get them both a ppv payday...which the casuals will buy into the hype and fall for it again...thats the business folks.

But this is possibly a more 1 sided fight that Khan-Alvarez or Brook-GGG

Not in Paisley anymore so I'm not in touch with the script. Is Kevin helping train the amateurs now? An old pal of mine was fighting at the Glynhill on Fri and my dad was saying its a younger guy McIntyre training him? Didn't know if it was Kevin or one of my old trainer Johns boys? Though they aren't so young nowadays

[davie]

Bellew isnt a tough guy lol look at what he promised against Stevenson and was totally in his shell, produced one of the most embarassing performances away from home by a UK fighter and was totally and blown away.

Haye is around 2 stone heavier and hits alot harder, Bellew hasnt improved or fought anyone in a decent class since then and been buzzed in just about every fight. Haye has been hit by harder hitting opponents and not looked in the way Bellews been. Its a no lose for Bellew as he gets the payday, keeps some credability losing to the bigger man and moves back down to defends his title in another payday.

This is really just a way to get Haye back into the publics eye, build up the fight with Joshua and get them both a ppv payday...which the casuals will buy into the hype and fall for it again...thats the business folks.

But this is possibly a more 1 sided fight that Khan-Alvarez or Brook-GGG

Not in Paisley anymore so I'm not in touch with the script. Is Kevin helping train the amateurs now? An old pal of mine was fighting at the Glynhill on Fri and my dad was saying its a younger guy McIntyre training him? Didn't know if it was Kevin or one of my old trainer Johns boys? Though they aren't so young nowadays

Replying to the right post here Stuarty?

[Stuarty]

Bellew isnt a tough guy lol look at what he promised against Stevenson and was totally in his shell, produced one of the most embarassing performances away from home by a UK fighter and was totally and blown away.

Haye is around 2 stone heavier and hits alot harder, Bellew hasnt improved or fought anyone in a decent class since then and been buzzed in just about every fight. Haye has been hit by harder hitting opponents and not looked in the way Bellews been. Its a no lose for Bellew as he gets the payday, keeps some credability losing to the bigger man and moves back down to defends his title in another payday.

This is really just a way to get Haye back into the publics eye, build up the fight with Joshua and get them both a ppv payday...which the casuals will buy into the hype and fall for it again...thats the business folks.

But this is possibly a more 1 sided fight that Khan-Alvarez or Brook-GGG

Not in Paisley anymore so I'm not in touch with the script. Is Kevin helping train the amateurs now? An old pal of mine was fighting at the Glynhill on Fri and my dad was saying its a younger guy McIntyre training him? Didn't know if it was Kevin or one of my old trainer Johns boys? Though they aren't so young nowadays

Replying to the right post here Stuarty?

Yeah mate. I know it's off the topic but Gary is Kevin's brother is he not? Have I got it mixed up? Only reason I was asking is because my dad had been talking to me earlier about it and I saw Gaz's name.