What can Tony do to win?

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Re: What can Tony do to win?

Post by Crazyboy »

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Crazyboy wrote:The old Ali v Foreman technique....maybe?

Realistically though, I just can't see past anything other than a Haye KO and in the early rounds at that...
What sitting on the ropes getting your guts caved in. Suicidal, it would be over inside a round.

Ali was one of the toughest men mentally and physically to ever step in the ring.
It was tongue in cheek mate, I personally don't see in anyway how Bellow wins this, I'm going Haye within 3 rounds on my bet
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Haye has proven himself to be very patient in waiting for opportunities to unload in fights to the point that he'll gladly feign and parry for 12 rounds.

Bellew could, and is getting under his skin and creating a real needle match and the fact he's being dismissed by virtually everyone could work in his favour as it could result in Haye showing him absolutely no respect and throwing bombs from the off.

Bellew does have an element of skill which could exploit this early and you never know, he could land a couple of stiffeners because he does have power......... or he could be in for an early bed time...... which is more likely.

One thing's for certain in my book, if Haye spends a round or two weighing him up, Bellew will either become careless and impatient and rush in and get dropped or Haye's attacks will be better timed and well measured and won't end well for Bellew.

In summary...... very little......
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vidal wrote:Haye has proven himself to be very patient in waiting for opportunities to unload in fights to the point that he'll gladly feign and parry for 12 rounds.

Bellew could, and is getting under his skin and creating a real needle match and the fact he's being dismissed by virtually everyone could work in his favour as it could result in Haye showing him absolutely no respect and throwing bombs from the off.

Bellew does have an element of skill which could exploit this early and you never know, he could land a couple of stiffeners because he does have power......... or he could be in for an early bed time...... which is more likely.

One thing's for certain in my book, if Haye spends a round or two weighing him up, Bellew will either become careless and impatient and rush in and get dropped or Haye's attacks will be better timed and well measured and won't end well for Bellew.

In summary...... very little......
History shows people who needle Haye get spanked.
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SteveDow wrote:I give Bellew virtually no chance but his only possible way in my view is to go for broke and try to catch Haye cold early in the fight. This will almost certainly lead to him getting knocked out himself but at least if he did manage to land a hail mary of a shot there is the slight chance that Haye may not be able to take it.

Haye is way too hard a puncher to adopt the strategy of running and tucking up. Even if Haye isn't landing clean his shots will still be hurting Bellew and there will only be so many of them he can take. This isn't like a Roy Jones/John Ruiz situation where despite being smaller Bellew is the much better boxer and is defensively brilliant. Haye is better than him in basically all aspects of the game so I can't see how trying to evade him for round after round is going to do anything.
That really made me laugh for some reason, bravo :lol:
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The only way bomber wins this is if he employs a Vietnamese and Malaysian women crack team to catch Haye at the airport and spray a substance in his face.
He's like a scouse Kim Jong Un.

Or make sure the cameras are off as everyone knows he never loses when he's stepped to without cameras on.
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PredatorHayds wrote: Or make sure the cameras are off as everyone knows he never loses when he's stepped to without cameras on.
:lol: :clap:
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Post by lillywhite14 »

His only hope is that Haye is washed up. It's possible given the surgery and lay off, and possibly, lifestyle, these days.

If Bellew does win then it can only be down to Haye being washed up so why even take the fight? He won't get too much credit.

Maybe it's something to do with the money... :maybe:

:OhYes:
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Haye was raging at the presser today, ive never seen him like that before, even considering all his shenanigans over the years
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Bellew has got to be very disciplined if he wants to win this fight, Chin down, hands high at all times, double and triple jabs and bang in occasional right hands and left hooks. Bit like how Michael Watson beat Nigel Benn. Trouble is Bellew does not have anywhere near the skills Watson had and Haye is not going to be reckless the way Benn was that night.
Bellew’s chin always looks a little high to me, his hands too low. As soon as Haye lands Bellew will be poleaxed and remember Haye has a great left hook too, he took out Chisora with it………
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Haye is 36 so he won't be what he was, but his last fights were such jokes it's so hard to tell how much.

I think Bellew just has to try and fight perfectly, he has to box well, keep his cool, while keeping a solid work rate, and landing big shots when he can.
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keep haye at distance and clinch as soon as he gets in close. Cant see how how he does this. I think bellew does well to make 3 rounds.
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Even at 36 I think Haye's too explosive for Bellew to cope, I think if Bellew was to pull this off, it'd be one of the biggest shocks in my time watching boxing, I don't think ive ever predicted a 1 round KO before(actually Arreola/Mitchell) but considering Bellew's a reigning world champ and Haye hasn't had a notable win in nearly 5 years, for me to predict Haye to KO Bellew in 1 shows just how strong I feel that Haye will win, i'd love for Tony to make it competitive though and we get a back and forth war
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Haye needs to have grown very old overnight for Bellew to win
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Mind this place used to be a serious boxing forum that discussed serious boxing topics?
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Post by ElJefe »

For me, Bellew's biggest (and maybe only) advantage over Haye going into this fight is that he will be mentally prepared for a tough fight. Whereas Bellew acknowledges that getting KO'd early is a possibility, Haye thinks it's the only possibility. So if Bellew does manage to drag Haye into deep waters he'll have the mental boost of knowing that he's where he wants to be, compared to Haye who will have expected to be at the after party by then.

Problem is, can Bellew avoid Haye's power early and reach the back end of the fight? If he can, can he do it whilst setting enough of a pace so that Haye begins to tire? And even if he accomplishes both of those, does he win a dog fight with a devastating puncher like Haye?

I'm rooting for Bellew but I'm struggling to see past this either being a dust up from the off in which he gets taken out, or something resembling the Stevenson fight where he tries to stay away but is caught by the power. I'd like him to do it, but I just can't see him being able to reach the later rounds while setting enough of a pace early to have taken anything significant out of Haye that would allow him to take over late on.
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Stuarty30 wrote:What's can Tony do to win?
It's a tough one because in my estimation Haye punches harder, has better selection of punches, is quicker and has better foutwork.

If my estimations are accurate then Bellew is REALLY up against it on Saturday. But if I was his trainer here's what I would do.

First off, I would get Tony to accept my estimations and realise how difficult this will be for him, but if he strictly follows my gameplan, it would give him the greatest chance of success possible.

Secondly - Tony MUST maintain a peekabo defensive stance all throughout the fight. He must take Haye's shots on the arms - he'll have very sore forearms for days afterward, but that's better than the alternative - taking them on the face and getting KO'd.

Thirdly - in terms of offense, I would tell Tony to stick to the basics and utilise the one-two and step out back in to peekaboo. I would discourage him from throwing too many shots at a single time because he could pulled into a toe-to-toe trade with Haye & that's bad news for Tony.

So, keep things very basic - using one-twos to frustrate Haye and letting him not your still there. Tony would need to be patient & wait for openings but Haye is a combination puncher, so the openings to land will be there. There's nothing wrong with relying on basic boxing as long as it's done right.

Thirdly, Tony's footwork will be vitally important in this fight. He should NEVER move around to the left which would put him in the sights of Haye's right hook. Tony needs to stay away from Haye's right hand, so in sparring I would be getting him to move around to his right & and creating distance away from Haye's best weapon.

Tony shold also resist moving straight back, because it then encourages and invites Haye to come after him, a step backward and off to the right is the best way. Because Tony needs to stay in the fight for as long as he can. He will need to suppress his natural brawling instincts and be very strict with himself to stay in the fight and give himself a chance at winning.

So basically, my plan looks like this:

Defence - keeping in peekaboo
Offense - relying on the old one-two repeatedly
Footwork - moving to his right away from Haye's right hand

That's really the best that I can come up with.
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handsofstone wrote:Haye was raging at the presser today, ive never seen him like that before, even considering all his shenanigans over the years
Yeah his blood is boiling. I can see him going for the quick kill on Saturday.
A 1st round knockout would quickly shut the scousers up.
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Punchy Joe wrote:Bellew has got to be very disciplined if he wants to win this fight, Chin down, hands high at all times, double and triple jabs and bang in occasional right hands and left hooks. Bit like how Michael Watson beat Nigel Benn. Trouble is Bellew does not have anywhere near the skills Watson had and Haye is not going to be reckless the way Benn was that night.
Bellew’s chin always looks a little high to me, his hands too low. As soon as Haye lands Bellew will be poleaxed and remember Haye has a great left hook too, he took out Chisora with it………
If he protects his head he'll get stopped to the body, I simply cannot see him surviving long enough for Haye to tire...
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Nightmare Roy wrote:As the great Paul Daniels used to say.

Not a lot.
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— Change his name to David Haye

— Come out to Hot Chocolate's Every 1's a Winner

— Hire a semi-transparent canvas and hide Price underneath, roving around like the Loch Ness monster, to unfoot Haye
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handsofstone wrote:Haye was raging at the presser today, ive never seen him like that before, even considering all his shenanigans over the years
I think i would be aswell if someone was constantly questioning my lifestyle, telling the world im skint, now questioning his ability as a father.

I can see why david has exploded at the presser. David has made just as many sacrifices as tony for this fight, and whilst he may talk about knocking bellew out. That is about as personal it has got. He hasnt attacked bellews lifestyle or his ability as a dad etc.

Bellew imo has shown himself to be desperate to find an edge and make the public love him. Many boxers sacrifice being with family over a training camp, david wont be the first or the last to leave family on christmas. Footballers do it every year.

Bellew is praying that haye gets overly emotional and turns it into a brawl and that his chin holds up to hayes attacks to gas him out and take the distance
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Post by lillywhite14 »

Two dozen of Bellew's bum boys in the crowd at the press conference really shouldn't be winding Haye up. I don't think he sunder his skin as it were but he's definitely winding him up a bit.

Perhaps it's the endless bollocks Bellew chats? He doesn't have an off switch. Hypocrite to the extreme. He's a negative caricature of the scouser. Every myth spouted about them he seems intent on living up to. Is he even that well liked in the area? He makes me cringe and I'm not from there!
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Bellew has won already.
He won a vacant title in his hometown and then defended it against the world no.75.
Rather then defend it against anyone dangerous he has talked himself into his biggest possible payday.
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Although Bellew is trying to gain an edge and wind him up, he is bang out of order with the personal attacks, questioning him as a man, finances and him as a father. Haye has been edgy, nasty, threatening and dismissive but not questioned anything about Bellew as a man away from the fighting arena. But saying that, damn Haye reacted at the presser.

But what really made me laugh was the blatant example of the double standards of Bellew. He has been picked up on the fact he has threatened all kinds of shite over the years himself but then goes mad and judgemental over Haye doing the same. He is a walking contradiction and yesterday, we had a great example in one minute as he was the first one to swear and he instigated it kicking off then he turned it on Haye! Haye was just talking the talk despite all the noise, then Bellew said, "Bitch shut the f**k up" which led to Haye going mental then one minute later he said "watch your language there are children in our presence." Ay? He dropped the f bombs first!

Idiot
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Stuarty30 wrote:Most of us are all of the same opinion. But whenever I watch a fight with an underdog and I want that guy to win I do my best to convince myself.... What can Tony do here? It's only one man against another after all! He won't win but there must be a way! Any one fancy having a crack?
Ride the assault for 5 rounds and hope haye runs out of gas then put it in him,tbere is no question bellew can punch and i believe if bellew hits haye he has the power to drop haye. Bellew needs to keep it tight till then
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