WBC suspends Povetkin

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I'll tell you what Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win in court, a hobo's dick cheese. I believe they call it hummus, or at least treat it as such. Nobody will miss either of them, and they will be remembered for that embarrassing fight with Klitschko and being too stupid to properly blood dope. They will always be great for a laugh that's enough.
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a hobo's dick cheese :lol:
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SFW wrote:I'll tell you what Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win in court, a hobo's dick cheese. I believe they call it hummus, or at least treat it as such. Nobody will miss either of them, and they will be remembered for that embarrassing fight with Klitschko and being too stupid to properly blood dope. They will always be great for a laugh that's enough.
What will you be remembered for? You never accomplished a thing.

Ryabinsky is a world famous businessman. Povetkin is an Olympic Gold Medal winning Heavyweight Champion and professional Heavyweight Champion who's never been stopped and only lost only 1 fight by decision. He was unjustly framed with innuendo, hyperbole, hate speech, and poor representation in a prejudicial American court that stereotyped him for being a Russian national. That happened, even though he was exonerated by the WADA, VADA, and the WBC for all charges that he took Meldonium when it was banned.

If there's anything to rid the world of, it’s racists, sexists, nationalists, bigots, ideologues, and other haters and money grubbers who collude, connive, and conspire to win unjust court verdicts. How many innocent defendants spent decades in prison because they were black, poorly represented, and an easy target for heartless prosecutors? Povetkin is no different. One case is racism -- the other nationalism.
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x2x wrote:
Tony1244 wrote: Atlas may be an egomaniac but why would he want to ruin Povetkin? Why would Goodman even bother planting drugs on him? He's not that important.

Atlas isn't just an egomaniac, he's a homicidal criminal, and Povetkin definitely is important because they - like Atlas and the New York-Las Vegas-London boxing-tv mob - know very well that he could knock off their cash cows and take the title to Russia.

True on Atlas. He himself wrote that he went to kill Don LaLonde.

The boxer who you had previously mentioned was murdered by Russian mobsters.

Povetkin flunking PED tests is his own problem.
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asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Kalan wrote:Saad, you're too dumb to read the facts and understand them... WADA, VADA, and the WBC all absolved Povetkin of cheating... They all hate him so they wouldn't do that if he weren't innocent... He's the victim of a massive screw job and you're too dense to see it.
If you mean absolved in the sense that they banned him indefinitely, then yeah sure, completely innocent...

https://www.rt.com/sport/379342-alexand ... efinitely/

Now apologise to Saad you ignorant fucktard.
Wow, the info on the link you got is full of mistakes!? They even call the Povetkin/Duhaupas KO controversial?! Now in fact the Washington KO was controversial, but the Duhaupas KO was as convincing as you can possibly get it?
Convincing in the sense that he put him out cold. I think you might find it's controversial because he was boxing hours after failing a drugs test.
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Kalan wrote:
SFW wrote:I'll tell you what Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win in court, a hobo's dick cheese. I believe they call it hummus, or at least treat it as such. Nobody will miss either of them, and they will be remembered for that embarrassing fight with Klitschko and being too stupid to properly blood dope. They will always be great for a laugh that's enough.
What will you be remembered for? You never accomplished a thing.

Ryabinsky is a world famous businessman. Povetkin is an Olympic Gold Medal winning Heavyweight Champion and professional Heavyweight Champion who's never been stopped and only lost only 1 fight by decision. He was unjustly framed with innuendo, hyperbole, hate speech, and poor representation in a prejudicial American court that stereotyped him for being a Russian national. That happened, even though he was exonerated by the WADA, VADA, and the WBC for all charges that he took Meldonium when it was banned.

If there's anything to rid the world of, it’s racists, sexists, nationalists, bigots, ideologues, and other haters and money grubbers who collude, connive, and conspire to win unjust court verdicts. How many innocent defendants spent decades in prison because they were black, poorly represented, and an easy target for heartless prosecutors? Povetkin is no different. One case is racism -- the other nationalism.
Why are you being so personal?
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Because haters need to look in the mirror and see what they are ... before they engage in lying smear campaigns on the characters of the accomplished.
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Tony1244 wrote:
True on Atlas. He himself wrote that he went to kill Don LaLonde.
Yep. He was also a violent street criminal. Did time for armed robbery.
The boxer who you had previously mentioned was murdered by Russian mobsters.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-mu ... er-6414239

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Kobozev
Povetkin flunking PED tests is his own problem.
No not really. He's a victim of the boxing mobsters too, only they didn't murder him. They just ran their drug test scam on him.
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Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
If you mean absolved in the sense that they banned him indefinitely, then yeah sure, completely innocent...

https://www.rt.com/sport/379342-alexand ... efinitely/

Now apologise to Saad you ignorant fucktard.
Wow, the info on the link you got is full of mistakes!? They even call the Povetkin/Duhaupas KO controversial?! Now in fact the Washington KO was controversial, but the Duhaupas KO was as convincing as you can possibly get it?
Convincing in the sense that he put him out cold. I think you might find it's controversial because he was boxing hours after failing a drugs test.
Nope, it was a test from many weeks earlier and every test before, as well as after turned out to be clean, that's including the one from during the fight. Even the b-sample test the Americans called dirty, has been tested by other independent governing bodies and indeed seen as clean as well.
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asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote: Wow, the info on the link you got is full of mistakes!? They even call the Povetkin/Duhaupas KO controversial?! Now in fact the Washington KO was controversial, but the Duhaupas KO was as convincing as you can possibly get it?
Convincing in the sense that he put him out cold. I think you might find it's controversial because he was boxing hours after failing a drugs test.
Nope, it was a test from many weeks earlier and every test before, as well as after turned out to be clean, that's including the one from during the fight. Even the b-sample test the Americans called dirty, has been tested by other independent governing bodies and indeed seen as clean as well.
Where is the report on the B sample. Can you provide a link please?
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Kalan wrote:Because haters need to look in the mirror and see what they are ... before they engage in lying smear campaigns on the characters of the accomplished.
How can you even pretend to know what I or anyone else has accomplished? Your arrogance blinds you.. well that and the pillow I guess.
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Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Convincing in the sense that he put him out cold. I think you might find it's controversial because he was boxing hours after failing a drugs test.
Nope, it was a test from many weeks earlier and every test before, as well as after turned out to be clean, that's including the one from during the fight. Even the b-sample test the Americans called dirty, has been tested by other independent governing bodies and indeed seen as clean as well.
Where is the report on the B sample. Can you provide a link please?
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/alexand ... le-result/
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asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote: Nope, it was a test from many weeks earlier and every test before, as well as after turned out to be clean, that's including the one from during the fight. Even the b-sample test the Americans called dirty, has been tested by other independent governing bodies and indeed seen as clean as well.
Where is the report on the B sample. Can you provide a link please?
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/alexand ... le-result/
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
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Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Where is the report on the B sample. Can you provide a link please?
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/alexand ... le-result/
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
"The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
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asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
"The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
This is not a B sample which was tested in an independent lab. Those were tests taken at different time. Multiple people asked Ryabinsky if it was taken at the same time, and he ignored those inconvenient questions.
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boxing_rocks wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
"The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
This is not a B sample which was tested in an independent lab. Those were tests taken at different time. Multiple people asked Ryabinsky if it was taken at the same time, and he ignored those inconvenient questions.
It's the same sample...
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You don't test the B sample unless the athlete asks for it to be tested -- because its going to come back the same as the A sample.

That's because you divide the urine sample into different vials. If the original sample is contaminated they all are. That's why testing the B sample for both the Wilder and Stiverne fights was timed to give maximum propaganda impact... However, the WADA, VADA, and the WBC all admitted they were wrong and exonerated Povetkin of any guilt in the Wilder fight testing... And I see the Ostarine tests going the same way.
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Povetkin done?
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There are 397 active Russian boxers today.
But according to the conspiracy nuts the world has sabotaged Russians in boxing by faking failed tests.

If this is true how come the other 396 Russian boxers pass their tests?
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asdfjkl wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
asdfjkl wrote: "The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
This is not a B sample which was tested in an independent lab. Those were tests taken at different time. Multiple people asked Ryabinsky if it was taken at the same time, and he ignored those inconvenient questions.
It's the same sample...
No. There is only one B sample. It was sealed and opened by VADA when Povetkin provided it. Nobody else tested it.
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boxing_rocks wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
This is not a B sample which was tested in an independent lab. Those were tests taken at different time. Multiple people asked Ryabinsky if it was taken at the same time, and he ignored those inconvenient questions.
It's the same sample...
No. There is only one B sample. It was sealed and opened by VADA when Povetkin provided it. Nobody else tested it.
Povetkin has had samples independently made and tested in Laussane, Switzerland (a WADA approved facility,just like the LA facility), and those results have come back clean.
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Kalan wrote:You don't test the B sample unless the athlete asks for it to be tested -- because its going to come back the same as the A sample.

That's because you divide the urine sample into different vials. If the original sample is contaminated they all are. That's why testing the B sample for both the Wilder and Stiverne fights was timed to give maximum propaganda impact... However, the WADA, VADA, and the WBC all admitted they were wrong and exonerated Povetkin of any guilt in the Wilder fight testing... And I see the Ostarine tests going the same way.
The purpose of the B sample is to account for contamination during testing. If both samples come back positive, then they were positive from source (i.e. the bladder).
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asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
"The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
VADA wrote:The ‘B’ sample was opened earlier this week and VADA confirmed it also tested positive for ostarine, however Povetkin’s promoter, Andrey Ryabinsky, still proclaims his charge’s innocence.
Ryabinsky wrote:“An American laboratory confirmed ostarine was found in Povetkin’s ‘B’ sample. The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean,”
I did read it, but there's two conflicting statements. One from the testing body, VADA, and one from the promoter who's personally funded Povetkin's career. If it's all the same, I'll take the word of the former.
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Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
This report states that the B sample came back positive. Can I have a link which supports your argument please?
"The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean"

What part do you not understand? Did you actually read it at all?
VADA wrote:The ‘B’ sample was opened earlier this week and VADA confirmed it also tested positive for ostarine, however Povetkin’s promoter, Andrey Ryabinsky, still proclaims his charge’s innocence.
Ryabinsky wrote:“An American laboratory confirmed ostarine was found in Povetkin’s ‘B’ sample. The tests given in an independent laboratory in Lausanne [Switzerland] are clean,”
I did read it, but there's two conflicting statements. One from the testing body, VADA, and one from the promoter who's personally funded Povetkin's career. If it's all the same, I'll take the word of the former.
Povetkin has had samples independently made and tested in Laussane, Switzerland (a WADA approved facility,just like the LA facility), and those results have come back clean.

The LA facility simply appearantly wasn't independent, that's the only difference... That's straight away the reason why the doping was found at such an odd moment.
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