Haye vs Bellew: Rematch?

[magwitch]

Bellew Wilder would interest me, were in not for the fact Wilder would dwarf him. It would be the biggest size difference - not counting Valuev, since Drago vs. Rocky. Although Wilder is crude, he’d still manage to find the target against Bellew....and Tony would be handicapped putting punches into someone of Wilder’s mass.
Frankly, I think Bellew is in a good position to hang them up.....but when you’re in vogue it must be sorely tempting to fight anyone when there are telephone numbers involved.

[Tony1244]

Now that i've actually watched the fight, yes the injury was huge, but Haye isn't as good as he once was. Maybe lifestyle and/or aging. Even before the injury he wasn't the old, or should I say younger Haymaker.

[Mimmy]

The only reason for a rematch would be finance. Haye is finished as a top heavyweight. The 2 round blow out was never on the cards. Haye wasnt as good as I thought he was going to be and I wish I had stuck to my original theory I said many weeks ago that Bellew had fought better opposition than Haye had done. I was poisoned to believe that Haye would steam roll over Bellew.

While a rematch would be a decent scrap I dont think its going to prove anything.

Haye should retire now gracefully and leave the titles to the big boys.

[BitPlayer]

Bellew Wilder would interest me, were in not for the fact Wilder would dwarf him. It would be the biggest size difference - not counting Valuev, since Drago vs. Rocky. Although Wilder is crude, he’d still manage to find the target against Bellew....and Tony would be handicapped putting punches into someone of Wilder’s mass.
Frankly, I think Bellew is in a good position to hang them up.....but when you’re in vogue it must be sorely tempting to fight anyone when there are telephone numbers involved.

Fun fact, last fight Wilder weighed less than Haye.

I don't think he should though, Wilder's power is scary.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Now that i've actually watched the fight, yes the injury was huge, but Haye isn't as good as he once was. Maybe lifestyle and/or aging. Even before the injury he wasn't the old, or should I say younger Haymaker.

Maybe the injured achilles was a factor before it tore completely. I suspect he had a very small tear, which meant he couldn't plant his feet, though hard to know for sure.

Fact is, he'll be having surgery on it now, he'll have scar tissue, and at 36, healing time will be long. He probably won't have helped himself by fighting on for 6 more rounds on it either, might have completely gone and have to be reattached.

[Gnome]

No. Bellew should try to so what Haye did and become the unified Cruiserweight champ.

Winner of Huck/Briedis and Usyk. Beat them, then Bellew is the man of British boxing. Beating Haye again will say more about Haye than it does about Bellew.

[Mimmy]

Lets face it Bellew beat a ;top' heavyweight who was possibly that fight away from a world title fight. Bellew has beat 1 top heavyweight, surely hes got to be thinking of another big payday againt Joshua.

Would Bellew get a heavyweight ranking for that win?

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Lets face it Bellew beat a ;top' heavyweight who was possibly that fight away from a world title fight. Bellew has beat 1 top heavyweight, surely hes got to be thinking of another big payday againt Joshua.

Would Bellew get a heavyweight ranking for that win?

I hope not.

Haye hadn't done anything to deserve to be highly ranked, but we all know that doesn't matter.

Bellew can sell a fight & put bums on seats, so who knows?

[Syntax Error]

No. Bellew should try to so what Haye did and become the unified Cruiserweight champ.

Winner of Huck/Briedis and Usyk. Beat them, then Bellew is the man of British boxing. Beating Haye again will say more about Haye than it does about Bellew.

Hear hear.

Totally agree with this.

[Terminator666]

Haye should retire now - he's probably only going to continue with injuries at his age and he's put too much weight on imo- not really a heavyweight but was quick when he was lighter but speed goes with age anyway

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Haye should retire now - he's probably only going to continue with injuries at his age and he's put too much weight on imo- not really a heavyweight but was quick when he was lighter but speed goes with age anyway

David Haye is the 'Wheelchair' Jack Wilshire of boxing; he gets injured adjusting the climate control on his Range Rover Sport!

[Mimmy]

When I hear Bellew announcing to the world last night that his kids future is now secure I just cannot help thinking another PR coup could secure a pay day again the best heavyweight champion at this present time. Money talks and could Bellew v Joshua fill Wembley??? I think so.

[Terminator666]

When I hear Bellew announcing to the world last night that his kids future is now secure I just cannot help thinking another PR coup could secure a pay day again the best heavyweight champion at this present time. Money talks and could Bellew v Joshua fill Wembley??? I think so.

Wouldent surprise me- Eddies probably salivating at the prospect as we speak

[Mimmy]

When I hear Bellew announcing to the world last night that his kids future is now secure I just cannot help thinking another PR coup could secure a pay day again the best heavyweight champion at this present time. Money talks and could Bellew v Joshua fill Wembley??? I think so.

Wouldent surprise me- Eddies probably salivating at the prospect as we speak

A loss to Haye on Bellews record meant nothing as he was WBC Cruiserweight champ, so what would a loss to AJ mean? nothing!

[HomicideHenry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCw-s5VTIo

Rewatching the fight, at no time between rounds one through five did it ever appear something was wrong with David Haye. In round six, following Haye hitting Bellew either on the top of the head or back of the head and Bellew came in charging (pissed off) in the exchanges.... the commentators at 1:30 of the round said "There's a big problem with David Haye, he can hardly walk." So, it seems, that whatever injury there was occured in the sixth round. I know there were rumors Haye's achilles heel was injured prior to the fight, but from all appearances the injury did not hamper him in any real way between rounds one through five; so the knockdowns, in and of themselves, made the situation worse than ever---- but prior to that 'snap', it seemed Bellew was turning the fight in his favor (after all he secured the knockdown, before the ankle went).

I'd love to see a rematch, so that all these snickers-grumbles-complaints can be put to rest by those who want to diminish Bellew's win and worth as a fighter. Personally, I think the combination of inactivity-horrible tune up bouts were the biggest factors here, but I also think it comes down to size differentials. Haye thrived, looked amazing, etc against men much bigger/slower than himself which made him look like Muhammad Ali in comparison---- but when he's in situations where men are his same size, or nearly his same size, any superiority in speed that he has becomes minimalized, etc. so Bellew was going to be difficult for Haye regardless because while not as fast as Haye he still has Cruiserweight speed and reflexes.

Now whether Haye can actually win a rematch, considering how effed the leg/ankle/foot/shoulders are..... I don't know..... It reminds me, somewhat, of Marcel Cerdan (the greatest European boxer of all time), where he boxed rings around Tony Zale but when he fought Jake LaMotta he blew out his shoulder and was forced to quit: we never saw what he could have done with two good shoulders against LaMotta, for the rematch never occured (Cerdan's plane crashed into a mountain on the way to the fight), and it also reminds me of Vitali Klitschko throwing out the shoulder against Chris Byrd; of course Vitali recouped and recovered his reputation and his career and overshadowed Byrd in worth over the next few years, but his career was plagued with back injuries (as well) and had to retire for a time in order to recover. Klitschko managed to come back and regain the title and have a good run (once again), but he seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Men who rely mainly on speed, once they are effed, they are effed and can never really return to old form: historically speaking anyways. It's a shame, really, considering in defeat Haye was at his most likeable and gracious and humble. In losing he gained more respect and fans. Realistically, unless he has enough time off and can fully recoupe and alter his style (that's the biggest hurdle of them all) it's hard to see him winning a rematch as far as I am concerned because if he continues that "speedster-now-you-see-me-now-you-dont" style, it's only a matter of time before that leg (or the shoulder) goes out again.

As for Bellew..... I think he should defend the CW title once more, retire from that division, and "cash out" at heavyweight, either in a rematch with Haye or go for broke and fight a world champion (Joshua-Klitschko winner, Parker-Fury winner, Wilder) knowing all the while there's no way in hell he is gonna win that kind of fight at all. At this point and time, it's all about making the money. "The dream" has already been lived and fulfilled. Bellew said it himself, "This fight made my children millionaires," and hinted that this could be his final year as a fighter. Shame (also) because it's at this moment that Bellew is most recognizable and therefore most marketable.

[JimJim2009]

I imagine, when the dust settles, its the job of managers/promoters to forecast, financially, the various options available to Tony (and, respectively, to Haye); for example, X amount of money to defend the cruiserweight title, X amount of money to challenge Wilder, X amount of money for a rematch with Haye. I am pretty sure the biggest sum of money potentially available to Bellew will be the rematch, on the basis that the PPV model will kick in again, and next time would work in his favour, massively.

A fight with Wilder or Parker is a non-starter, he would earn literally millions of pounds LESS, as the champs would take the lions share. A cruiserweight title defence would earn Bellew even less. When the dust settles there will be a rematch at Goodison in summer. I have read that Haye may be out for six months with the injury, obviously if that is the case then a summer rematch would not be viable but you only have to look at how well everyone did from Froch/Groves 2 to appreciate that, injuries aside, everything points to a rematch on Sky PPV.

[Crease]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCw-s5VTIo

Rewatching the fight, at no time between rounds one through five did it ever appear something was wrong with David Haye. In round six, following Haye hitting Bellew either on the top of the head or back of the head and Bellew came in charging (pissed off) in the exchanges.... the commentators at 1:30 of the round said "There's a big problem with David Haye, he can hardly walk." So, it seems, that whatever injury there was occured in the sixth round. I know there were rumors Haye's achilles heel was injured prior to the fight, but from all appearances the injury did not hamper him in any real way between rounds one through five; so the knockdowns, in and of themselves, made the situation worse than ever---- but prior to that 'snap', it seemed Bellew was turning the fight in his favor (after all he secured the knockdown, before the ankle went).

I disagree entirely.

I also rewatched the fight and I'm convinced that Haye was carrying an ankle injury going into the fight.

Watching Haye's entrance he walked deliberately slow and flat-footed which should be an indication that something was amiss with his foot/feet.

If you watch closely, Haye never got "up on his toes" once - until the 6th round when his ankle snapped.
There was definitely restricted movement and a lack of flexibility with his right foot.

[HomicideHenry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCw-s5VTIo

Rewatching the fight, at no time between rounds one through five did it ever appear something was wrong with David Haye. In round six, following Haye hitting Bellew either on the top of the head or back of the head and Bellew came in charging (pissed off) in the exchanges.... the commentators at 1:30 of the round said "There's a big problem with David Haye, he can hardly walk." So, it seems, that whatever injury there was occured in the sixth round. I know there were rumors Haye's achilles heel was injured prior to the fight, but from all appearances the injury did not hamper him in any real way between rounds one through five; so the knockdowns, in and of themselves, made the situation worse than ever---- but prior to that 'snap', it seemed Bellew was turning the fight in his favor (after all he secured the knockdown, before the ankle went).

I disagree entirely.

I also rewatched the fight and I'm convinced that Haye was carrying an ankle injury going into the fight.

Watching Haye's entrance he walked deliberately slow and flat-footed which should be an indication that something was amiss with his foot/feet.

If you watch closely, Haye never got "up on his toes" once - until the 6th round when his ankle snapped.
There was definitely restricted movement and a lack of flexibility with his right foot.

As I pointed out, he had the injury... but it didn't seem to really rob him of being able to fight effectively and to stay competitive and winning rounds, round four was definitely Haye's best round ((imho)) .... but during those slips/knockdowns whatever injury he had became ten times worse and robbed him of the ability to get away effectively from Bellew from then on out.

[afcpaul]

I would only buy this again if it were to be a part of a solid nights boxing with an exiting undercard. To me, neither have anywhere to go in the PPV arena. Individually, nothing worth PPV, together, the spite selling point has gone and the rematch because of the injury doesn't make PPV alone to me.

[SAPFO]

We nee to find the Top Bins Challenge from Soccer AM last week. Haye limped after kicking the ball allegedly.

[Grilling Machine]

This is another Froch-Groves, where it can only happen if there's enough demand for it. Froch had to be tempted back by the thought of knocking out George Groves... But what's the draw for Bellew? He'll need to see millions on the table for it.

As for Haye, I'd like to see him change his training methods. None of us know exactly what he does (or did, this time out), of course, but I think that his best bet for cardio from now on would be cycling exclusively. No more running or vertical climbers. And for power, I'd recommend that he avoid squats and deadlifts and just concentrates on light (for him) hang cleans and presses; maybe a few good-mornings. Old-school calisthenics for everything else. Because he could afford to come in at 210 against Bellew (205, even), but he seems to have fallen in love with his power as he's put on weight.

He was a ferocious puncher as a young cruiser, and only he knows this for sure, but I don't think that his weightlifting numbers were at all impressive for his size back then. Similar to the rumour about Trinidad, who was said to be a weak lifter with — as we all knew — huge power.

[bbjc]

Haye needs to retire. No one should be offering him pay per view nowadays. Proven to be too injury prone. If he is interested in a comeback tho he d be better doing it the george foremann way. Because if hes not taking bellew out without too many problems...hes finished as a top rate fighter. Understand he was injured but again if thats the case hes still finished as a top rate fighter.

He was way off in his timing last night. Fell in love with his power and weighing too heavy for his body frame to be a boxer and its made him a predictable fighter. Even quite slow in there at times. If he does come back they needs to get a proper boss as a trainer as well. Because thats ended up farcical in the end last night looking back at the build up etc. Needs to forget about going for the most money. And just get fighting average guys that he can beat. Build it up. Get the timing better. And slowly sees where it takes him. Otherwise it doesnt really get worse than losing to bellew. You ve got to say any of the heavyweight contenders would have beat him last night...probably even fringe level guys. And thats basing off before the achilles properly went in the 6th or whatever. Think he might have won the fight without it but it was against a guy he should be wiping the floor with bearing in mind the advantages he had over him. If he had any chance of competing with the top guys. His career at the very tops definetely over.

[Crease]

We nee to find the Top Bins Challenge from Soccer AM last week. Haye limped after kicking the ball allegedly.

If that's accurate, then it's surprising that no one picked up in it.

Maybe he twisted his foot leading up to the pen & that would explain him flying over to Germany to see the specialist.

[coneye]

Haye needs to retire his body has injuries that it will never recover 100% from ... BUT and theres always a BUT ,,, If he did manage to secure another spot in the limelight against Bellew , has someone else pointed out he needs to train differently ,, Get rid of all the weights shite , Myself personaly , i think theres too much envesise put on this conditioning coach bollocks ... What he needs to do is get a bit of weight off after all Bellew is not bigger than him ,, , Running is going to be out with an achilles injury , so he needs to punch , punch and punch some more , get his timing and his speed back . And when he lets emotions get the better of him , and goes for nothing but haymakers , hoping to kill Bellew , with one punch . He needs a coach who is gonna , say WHAT THE FACK YOU PLAYING AT YOU IDIOT ,, SETTLE DOWN , JAB , DOUBLE JAB AND fornicating TRIPLE JAB , BUT SET IT UP YOU GOOSE , , STOP PISSING ABOUT AND SETTLE DOWN .

[tonyevs]

Boxing is getting more of a farce nowadays; Haye & Bellew are both mediocre guys cashing in.
It means nothing at cruiser or heavyweight... it's just a farce.