Haye to fight again and wants rematch and maybe third Bellew fight (back in 6-9 months)

[Quix]

Carl Froch says David Haye is "100 per cent" determined to fight again after speaking to the 36-year-old following an operation on his ruptured Achilles tendon.

The former world champion suffered the serious injury in Saturday's stoppage defeat to Tony Bellew at The O2, prompting boxing experts to express serious doubts about his future in the sport.

But Froch says Haye has ruled out retirement and still holds world title ambitions, although a rematch with Bellew is his top priority.

He's told me he wants to come again - 100 per cent. He said to me and I quote, 'I will win a heavyweight world title,' but I want the rematch with Bellew first.

Haye is 36 and will need possibly a full year before he can be anywhere near ready for any fight, whether that's Bellew or not. If a rematch hapenned and the injury was fine, the fight would pan out roughly the same as it did over the first six rounds. The next six rounds after that would see what would have hapenned on Saturday night if Haye hadn't of got injured. Bellew increasingly on the back foot, tiring, whilst doing occasional counters, whilst Haye would come forward decreasing the distance between the fighters. Eventually Haye would stop Bellew as he tired or win a unanimous points decision. Personally i think Haye's career is just about done and Bellew will retire pretty soon anyway.

[punchers chance]

I doubt there will be a rematch.
Bellew is holding a winning lottery ticket and will not be waiting minimum 12 months for Haye to get fit again before cashing it in.

As for Haye I'm sure right now his pride is hurting and he cannot believe he has lost a fight to Tony Bellew. He may face the facts of his diminishing powers and call it quits when the immediate post fight emotions have gone away.

If he does carry on there is money to be made but even Tyson hit the end of the road eventually. Does he want to go out like that?

Better to use his marketability and get into the media now I would suggest.

[davie]

Bellew says he wants to call the shots

I would say his first stipulation should be no circus style build up

Like the build up to the Fury vs Klitschko rematch, they could just say, "well we've done the big build up, let's just let this one sell itself"

Then just like the Fury vs Klitschko rematch, it'll fall through

[bbjc]

Its over for haye. Its a pity because i seen him doing big things in the comeback and bellew would have been a decent stepping stone as a warm up for a bigger fight down the line. But he had to get him out of there early or look impressive doing it.

Looks like bad luck with the injury before the fight. And hes had no choice but to continue on and take it regardless. But he was always on borrowed time with his career at this stage. He couldnt afford any setbacks. Its another 6/7/8 months off for an explosive 36 year old fighter. If that was haye not affected by injury before the achilles went in the sixth...its definetely over for him. His timing was way off. He was slow. Predictable. And he was struggling with tony bellew who,d basically ate himself up to heavyweight. Bellews nothing special to start with...just a good underrated fighter. I ve got a feeling the achilles has been a problem for a while either that or mcguigans messed up hayes footwork completely. Always been trying to put my finger on whats been different since the comeback...its his feet. Even in the training videos he looks uncomfortable with his feet since mcguigan took charge. Makes me think it could be an ongoing injury.

Personally think its been ongoing. Either way you look at it...hayes ceiling looks like bellew now. If thats the case its time to retire for good. Haye needs to grow up now. Realise he needs to cut back on his lifestyle because coming back for payday after payday only ever ends one way. They still somehow end up skint by the end of it...just a lot more bashed up and humiliated.

I dont think it sells that well anyway a second fight...they buried the hatchet. No one wants to pay if there unsure if haye gets injured again. Its time to move on. My advise to haye would be. Just forget the fight. No harm in getting fit. Getting himself through a camp. Getting his weight down. If he can do that without injury. Get some easy wins going. Get out and start enjoying it again. And see where it takes you. Get fighting 5 or 6 times a year gradually upping the competition. Forget about trying to fund your lifestyle through fighting and see what happens.

[Controversial]

Haye says he will be back in 6-9 months, he wants Bellew again and maybe have a third fight. If Bellew retires he will fight his way to the top.

[coneye]

Some good comments here and i paticuly agree with bbjc .. I think it has been an ongoing problem , Its been said the Bellow has known about the injury for a while , this would explain why he was keen for the fight , , It would also explain why all of a sudden Haye had footwork , no better than a complete novice ameteur . It sort of brings up a few other questions

1-- Will Bellew take a rematch , if he knows Hayes had the problem fixed and going to come in 100% , i doubt it i think he'll take his win and run

2 -- If it has been an ongoing injury where was the profesional ism , from the Haye camp not to have surgery 4 -5 months ago

3 If it was there and they all knew about it , then taking him out early was the thing to do ,, Why did'nt the corner not have him settled down and boxing correctly from rnd 1 , he came out like a street fighter not a boxer , only thing he did'nt do was grab his hair and try t bite him .

Last but not least , i am well qualified to say wether or not he can recover , I've had an achilles injury , i actually sliced right threw mine , nerves tendons the lot , foot looked like it was hanging off It was touch and go wether i was going to lose the foot ,, Anyway in my case It took a lot longer , a couple of years .. But it was OK once it knitted together , , i could still move around the ring no problem , but what was affected running for me was out ,, If it affects him the same way , only noticible difference is he probably won't be able to do lenghty runs ..

His injury is not has bad has mine , the nerves don't have to grow agin , so it should'nt take has long , , I just have a sneaky feeling Bellew will take on Brown or someone similar and give a fit Haye a miss ,, After all he is'nt acknoladging Hayes injury in any way , and it seems he knew about it .

[blanca]

rehab will take ages. i had a full rupture of one of mine whilst playing footy. had an op to sew it back together. i was proactive with rehab and it still took me 6 months to start running again. was walking with a limp for ages as well. also you lose some muscle from the calf area so that leg will always be weak. dont think his was a full rupture cos theres no way he woulda been able to stand up.

It's did say reattachent surgery, not repair.

The achilles only comes into play when the foot flexes so no reason he couldn't have stood on it.

mate when mine happened i went down and thought id been kicked. realised i hadnt and tried to get back up, went straight back down, couldnt stand. which is why i cant see him being able to do what he did if it was a full rupture. regardless hes out for ages

[Autobarn]

When I watched David Haye v Arnold Gjerjaj I had a feeling there was going to be trouble down the line. Too heavy, no competitive rounds, waddling like a penguin and turning southpaw after missing a punch. Haye wouldn't have picked Bellew if he wasn't certain if victory blah blah...but fighters don't always judge correctly- even the shrewdest of operators got it wrong: DLH, v Pac, Hopkins v Smith Jr, SRL v Norris AND Camacho.

Most on here foresaw a Haye v Maccarinelli type of mismatch. I didn't predict what did happen, but I did feel more caution and uncertainty. Anyway, a novelty fight with a novelty outcome, and drama for all the wrong reasons. Bellew taking ages to close against a hobbled fighter and Haye coming into a big money big stage event hardly the world class athlete, and probably relying on an early KO win.

Doesn't look good for Haye but he will be very anxious a) financially and b) in terms of hurt pride.

A series might in fact be best for both guys but I don't know if Bellew will wait for him.

I'd wait for it all to die down. Maybe Haye will feel like he's had enough. And maybe Bellew will get by this perhaps state of overexicitement that has led to him talking if facing Deeontay Wilder.

[jamesmcdonnell]

rehab will take ages. i had a full rupture of one of mine whilst playing footy. had an op to sew it back together. i was proactive with rehab and it still took me 6 months to start running again. was walking with a limp for ages as well. also you lose some muscle from the calf area so that leg will always be weak. dont think his was a full rupture cos theres no way he woulda been able to stand up.

It's did say reattachent surgery, not repair.

The achilles only comes into play when the foot flexes so no reason he couldn't have stood on it.

mate when mine happened i went down and thought id been kicked. realised i hadnt and tried to get back up, went straight back down, couldnt stand. which is why i cant see him being able to do what he did if it was a full rupture. regardless hes out for ages

From what I've read, it's quite common for people to be able to walk on it even after a total rupture, albeit with a limp. Bear in mind, Haye's pain threshold would be way higher than normal, and he would have been flooded with adrenalin.

[Grilling Machine]

When I watched David Haye v Arnold Gjerjaj I had a feeling there was going to be trouble down the line. Too heavy, no competitive rounds, waddling like a penguin and turning southpaw after missing a punch.

Most on here foresaw a Haye v Maccarinelli type of mismatch. I didn't predict what did happen, but I did feel more caution and uncertainty.

I felt the same way about Haye's decline, and I'd have been a lot less sure had he fought a Pulev, Parker, Povetkin, Whyte... But I considered the gap between him and Bellew as wide as the one between — at the time — him and Maccarinelli. This version of Haye versus that version of Mac would be a different matter.

He needed a wake-up call to stand a chance of winning a major belt — I was certain of that, but I was also sure that he'd only lose to Bellew through an injury. That's not to say that I didn't give Bellew a chance of clocking him, just that I'd back a semi-fit Haye 95% in a tear-up between the two.

This was a massive, massive shock, but it wasn't an upset. Like you say, though, I'd've worried for Haye had he fought Joshua after Gjergjaj. He can still be a threat if he's been carrying this injury for a while and overcomes it, but a lessening one as time goes by.

[jamesmcdonnell]

When I watched David Haye v Arnold Gjerjaj I had a feeling there was going to be trouble down the line. Too heavy, no competitive rounds, waddling like a penguin and turning southpaw after missing a punch.
Most on here foresaw a Haye v Maccarinelli type of mismatch. I didn't predict what did happen, but I did feel more caution and uncertainty.

I felt the same way about Haye's decline, and I'd have been a lot less sure had he fought a Pulev, Parker, Povetkin, Whyte... But I considered the gap between him and Bellew as wide as the one between — at the time — him and Maccarinelli. This version of Haye versus that version of Mac would be a different matter.

He needed a wake-up call to stand a chance of winning a major belt — I was certain of that, but I was also sure that he'd only lose to Bellew through an injury. That's not to say that I didn't give Bellew a chance of clocking him, just that I'd back a semi-fit Haye 95% in a tear-up between the two.

This was a massive, massive shock, but it wasn't an upset. Like you say, though, I'd've worried for Haye had he fought Joshua after Gjergjaj. He can still be a threat if he's been carrying this injury for a while and overcomes it, but a lessening one as time goes by.

I think he would have to forget the Joshua fight now. The problem is he is bigger, and even harder hitting, with a longer reach. Haye would always have struggled, but now Joshua has a bit more experience, and if he get by Wlad, more confidence too. I think Joshua would clock him from range and spark Haye out.

[Grilling Machine]

Yeah, if Joshua beats Klitschko then Haye's time's passed. A Chisora-vintage Haye versus the greener Joshua would've seen Haye as favourite, but the years are ticking by and Joshua hasn't imploded.

Then again, who knows where Klitschko's at these days? If Joshua beats him easily, we'll wonder how shot he was.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah, if Joshua beats Klitschko then Haye's time's passed. A Chisora-vintage Haye versus the greener Joshua would've seen Haye as favourite, but the years are ticking by and Joshua hasn't imploded.

Then again, who knows where Klitschko's at these days? If Joshua beats him easily, we'll wonder how shot he was.

Yes true, if Wlad doesn't throw any shots again, we're still in the realm of the unknown really.

[Autobarn]

Joshua really is a pipe dream for Haye. People believed Haye ringside saying he'd have seen Joshua's shots coming a mile off and would've been able to react with quick punches.

Haye isn't fast and will never be again. He's a blown up cruiserweight with no cruiserweight speed anymore carrying numerous injuries. Without his speed he isn't much because he doesn't have great technical skills.

He ruined his career imo trying to impersonate a big man.