On This Day: Hector Camacho ended the glittering career of Sugar Ray Leonard

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On This Day: Hector Camacho ended the glittering career of Sugar Ray Leonard

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Millions expected to see the Sugar Ray Leonard of old, but Hector “Macho” Camacho battered him into a humiliating fifth-round stoppage defeat before 10, 324 shocked fans at the Atlantic City Convention Center. The time was 1:08.

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Camacho was hardly fantastic, but he stunned everyone by flooring the betting favourite earlier in the round, then jumped right on him again as the dazed legend was trying to survive along the ropes. As lefts and rights crashed home, shaking the once-invincible Leonard like a cheap rag doll, referee Joe Cortez jumped in to protect him.

“Ray played me cheap”, said Camacho, but if Leonard did anything, it was to overestimate his once-formidable ability.

“I’m not like everyone else. I can come back,” Leonard said beforehand. The 1991 brutal beating at the fists of Terry Norris should have told him otherwise, but Leonard, despite his exceptional intelligence, let his massive ego and desperate craving for the spotlight overrule his normally sound judgement.

Leonard’s balance was so atrocious that he looked like a six-round novice. Camacho is hardly a puncher, but this vintage Ray couldn’t take any sort of a shot. He was wobbling like a willow in the wind, even from glancing blows.

“I never could get into it,” Leonard admitted. “I was trying to establish my jab and just couldn’t get going. I fought a better fight than I thought I’d fight after being absent so long from the ring, but I didn’t have the balance I once had.”

“I don’t want to take anything away from Camacho (which of course, is exactly what he did), but the rumours that I was in the hospital were true. I had a calf injury. I couldn’t spin off, but my career is definitely over in the ring.”


Ray’s obvious reluctance to commit himself clearly didn’t come from any injury. He was simply “bailing out.” He didn’t want to get hit. It is natural fear, once conquered, that re-emerges when you have been out of the ring.

Leonard, 36-3-1 (25), looked in superb condition at 11st 5lbs. His stomach was rippled. His biceps were huge. But none of that helps if you are not in “boxing shape”. You can hire all the “strength coaches” and “nutritionists” in the world, but there is no way to tell until you get tagged in the ring.

Camacho, a podgy 11st 4 3/4lbs from Orlando, Florida, had won his previous 19 in a row, including a controversial points decision over Roberto Duran last June.

Garbed in a cheap Roman Gadiator outfit that looked pinched off the set of a B-movie, the round-faced Puerto Rican was hoisted aloft on a hand-held platform and carried through the crowd. Boos broke forth, but as Camacho peered out, in his mind he was Julius Caesar (not Chavez) arrogantly looking down on the clamouring minions of ancient Rome.

Camacho, who revels in these theatrics, still couldn’t unnerve Leonard, from Washington D.C., who waited a good 15 minutes before Camacho finally climbed through the ropes.

Leonard, the darling of the 1976 Olympics, brought boxing into the colour TV age, but only seconds after the first bell it was obvious he was finished. Leonard zipped out one beautiful jab, but Camacho sent him clambering from a light left. Sugar Ray stumbled all over himself, then dangled his left and tried to find his old self, but it was sad to watch him sling a slow, sloppy lead right.

Ray’s rhythm was horrible, but he did score with a nice lead right and for the briefest of seconds there was hope. A quick follow-up right, again very amateurish, dashed it.

Beforehand, Camacho promised: “I’m going to be on his ass. I ain’t gonna run from him. He won’t be no better than the Norris fight. This is his last ‘comeback’, I guarantee it”.

As Hector advanced, Leonard grew warier. Suddenly their feet got tangled and Camacho, 34, proving far stronger, pushed Ray down where he landed heavily on the deck. It was a strong psychological message.

Leonard, once so silky smooth and quick, was sputtering like an ancient Model T in the second. Leonard handled Marvin Hagler brilliantly, but 10 years later he looked befuddled by his southpaw opponent. Ray jiggled his left at his side or pawed.

As Leonard back-pedalled and circled, he was trying to buy time, which was running out fast. Leonard’s body and face still looked much the same, but he was present in name only. Camacho was warned for pulling down Leonard’s head as it became sloppier.

Camacho went right after Leonard in the third. Ray tried to throw long rights, but he still wasn’t bending into his punches. He was pulling back before he got hit. Leonard looked bad, but Camacho, in “walking-around shape,” was beginning to jar him. The once-flashy Puerto Rican may be a blown-up light-welter – he won his first ‘world’ title at a super-feather – but speed is power and Camacho’s hands were still quick.

As Leonard floundered, having little control over his legs, it was hard to believe he had gone back this far. Leave us with our memories, ringsiders seem to say, but Sugar Ray kept lunging as he tried to catch Camacho with his right.

The punches had no power. Finally, a sharp Leonard right penetrated, but Camacho shook it off easily and a left to the body knocked Leonard off balance at the end of the round. Ray hadn’t won 20 seconds of the match. The only question was when the roof would fall in.

Leonard dipped and stabbed some jabs, but the old maestro couldn’t get going, let alone explode. Ray’s instincts were so badly corroded that all he could do was emit a sad smile when Camacho started scoring repeatedly.

Late in the round there was a hard clash of heads that opened a bad gash under Leonard’s left eye. He began to bleed. Who would have thought that Camacho would make Leonard run?

By the fifth, the “Macho Man” looked cocky. He started to rough Ray up in close. Leonard tried to cuff, hold and skitter away, but Camacho, 64-3-1 (32), is much better than he is given credit for. In close, the brawny 5ft 6in underdog shook Leonard along the ropes. Suddenly, the old man was lurching.

Camacho shouldered him in tight and came up with a hard left uppercut to the chin. A second left uppercut caught Leonard flush as he tried to slide away and the former five-time ‘world’ champ ended up flat on his back.
Leonard, who has been dropped repeatedly since his prime, stumbled up, but it was painfully obvious Camacho had plenty of time to wreak more havoc.

Eyes wary, as the crowd screamed, Leonard backed to the ropes. A hard left to the jaw hurt him as Hector exploded in close. As Leonard tried to fire back, Camacho rocked him with another left. A third left to the temple forced the Hall of Famer to falter as he slumped forward. A powerful right to the body made Leonard grab Camacho’s head with both hands. Camacho broke loose with a right hook to the jaw, a cracking left to the chin and another right to the jaw.

Still on the ropes, badly disorientated and trying to cover, Leonard took a slamming right uppercut to the chin. Camacho pawed briefly and faked, then staggered the tarnished legend with a left uppercut, wobbling Leonard badly.

Leonard sat on the second rope to prevent himself going down again. It all happened quickly but Cortez jumped in to protect him as he was so close to being floored again.

“I enjoy performing. I enjoy defying the odds,” Ray had said beforehand, but even then his voice sounded ominously weak and hoarse, like an old man’s.

With seven fights in the last 15 years, it was painfully obvious that the once-great fighter should no longer have been in the ring. Incredibly, talks had reportedly started on a rematch with Norris. Then Ray was going to bridge the generation gap by facing Pernell Whitaker or, more likely, Oscar De La Hoya.

The whole scheme was far-fetched.

"By Jim Brady""
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Decent write up except for the part where they said "The once invincible Ray Leonard"

Ray Leonard was never invincible, nor seemed invincible.
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What about those socks??? ... Why is it necessary to bunch 10 feet worth of leggings into a 8-inch space?
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Well I agree with that... There's no glory for Camacho...but Hector was insulted as Hell I'll tell you that...

Just put yourself in this situation.. Okay you're a fighter.. Leonard was one of those rarest of rare boxers, like Ali, De La Hoya, Canelo, and Mayweather.. SRL could choose any opponent he wanted to fight.. He was a massive cash cow...and obviously at this point he's far from unbeatable -- so at 40 he has to be VERY selective in who he fights.. He decides he wants to comeback and make another sh1tload of money so he sits down with his team..

"Okay guys ...who do you think we can beat???" ... "Hmmm...How about Hector Camacho???" ... "Yeah he's a good choice" ..."Yeah" ... "Yeah" ... "Yeah"
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Kalan wrote:Well I agree with that... There's no glory for Camacho...but Hector was insulted as Hell I'll tell you that...

Just put yourself in this situation.. Okay you're a fighter.. Leonard was one of those rarest of rare boxers, like Ali, De La Hoya, Canelo, and Mayweather.. SRL could choose any opponent he wanted to fight.. He was a massive cash cow...and obviously at this point he's far from unbeatable -- so at 40 he has to be VERY selective in who he fights.. He decides he wants to comeback and make another sh1tload of money so he sits down with his team..

"Okay guys ...who do you think we can beat???" ... "Hmmm...How about Hector Camacho???" ... "Yeah he's a good choice" ..."Yeah" ... "Yeah" ... "Yeah"

Did they really say yeah three times? Not two nor four?
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golden oldie wrote:I'm no Leonard fan, not by a long chalk, but there was no glory for the Macho Man in that win.

You don't rate Leonard? Really?
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I hate Leonard more than any other athlete. Doesn't mean I don't rate him. He's top 15 all time IMO and right there with Whitaker and Floyd for the greatest since Duran.
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I remember watching the fight with my dad :clap:

I was a HUGE Macho fan as a kid because he was so different from all the other fighters we watched with all the glitz and glamour. Now I can' stand the cocky showboaters.
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gilgamesh wrote:Ray Leonard was never invincible, nor seemed invincible.
Agreed, he had exceptionally close fight with Hearns & Hagler. Plus he lost to Duran.

A talented boxer but never had an aura of invincibility, the way that a young Tyson did or Golovkin does these days.
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Looking back, I can't believe I actually thought Leonard would win! :oo

I know SRL was as old as space itself & had been out a long time, but I thought he'd be too big & strong for Hector, who was way out of his prime weight class.

Thankfully Leonard looked so bad that he had no option but to retire.

A decent performance or a win would have meant more & more comebacks & he was in no fit state to be fighting anymore.
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“I never could get into it,” Leonard admitted. “I was trying to establish my jab and just couldn’t get going."

Camacho, a southpaw, kept patting Leonard's left down with his extended right glove.

That why Leonard couldn't "establish my jab ."

Camacho beat the **** out of Leonard.
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golden oldie wrote:
Sidney Carton wrote:“I never could get into it,” Leonard admitted. “I was trying to establish my jab and just couldn’t get going."

Camacho, a southpaw, kept patting Leonard's left down with his extended right glove.

That why Leonard couldn't "establish my jab ."

Camacho beat the **** out of Leonard.
golden oldie wrote:

Make this your first, and indeed last perceived " anti Leonard " post on this site....

LOL. MY POST STATED FACTS. LIKE:

Camacho, a southpaw, kept patting Leonard's left down with his extended right glove.

That why Leonard couldn't "establish my jab ."

AND

Camacho beat the **** out of Leonard.

THOSE ARE FACTS. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

golden oldie wrote:

Ray Leonard NEVER cherry picked an opponent in his life. Ray Leonard lost the best years of his career due to retina problems ( pass the sick bag Alice )

Ray Leonard NEVER demanded weight stips, ring sizes, choice of gloves.

HAGLER FIGHT--LEONARD DEMANDED TEN OUNCE GLOVES AND SHORTENED 12 ROUND DISTANCE.

golden oldie wrote:

He ALWAYS wanted to fight guys off a level playing field, so he could prove how good he ( thought ) he was.

When Ray Leonard got beat, it was because

1. He fought the wrong fight ( eff ALL ) to do with Duran, he was just ( LUCKY ) :lol:

or

2. He was TOO old.
THE FACT THAT YOU BELONG TO THE RAY LEONARD FAN CLUB

DOES NOT ENABLE YOU TO CHANGE FACTS.
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golden oldie wrote: Ray Leonard NEVER demanded weight stips, ring sizes, choice of gloves. He ALWAYS wanted to fight guys off a level playing field, so he could prove how good he ( thought ) he was.
:lol:
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golden oldie wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
golden oldie wrote:I'm no Leonard fan, not by a long chalk, but there was no glory for the Macho Man in that win.

You don't rate Leonard? Really?
I don't rate cherry pickers or " negotiators " of any description. If I claim to be the best fighter in the world at a particular weight / s ( as Leonard did ) I want to beat the opposition off a level playing field and leave no doubt in anyone's mind I am what I claim to be.

I see Leonard as being the same as Mayweather, or indeed Donald Chump. Constantly claiming to be the best thing since sliced bread, but unwilling to actually PROVE it.
You don't rate his wins over Hearns, Duran and Benitez, his coming out of retirement to beat Hagler?

Every boxer in history who could cherry pick, did. Leonard proved everything he needed to in the win over hearns.
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Leonard didn't make excuse for his loss to Duran; his only relevant loss.

Love the weight drained excuse. Please. Can we get any lamer?
Love how it 's a big deal when Duran and Benitez had to move up to welterweight. Like just about every smaller fighter they moved up in weight. They each had been welterweights for while when they fought Leonard.


If was such a big deal then how come you don't mention that Leonard had to move up in weight to fight Hagler?

Nothing more than spinning things against a guy you don't like.
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golden oldie wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
golden oldie wrote:
I don't rate cherry pickers or " negotiators " of any description. If I claim to be the best fighter in the world at a particular weight / s ( as Leonard did ) I want to beat the opposition off a level playing field and leave no doubt in anyone's mind I am what I claim to be.

I see Leonard as being the same as Mayweather, or indeed Donald Chump. Constantly claiming to be the best thing since sliced bread, but unwilling to actually PROVE it.
You don't rate his wins over Hearns, Duran and Benitez, his coming out of retirement to beat Hagler?
Highly selective.

1. Without doubt Hearns was drained at the weight, hence he NEVER attempted to make 147 again after that fight, and indeed kept fighting for a further 25 years all bar the shouting. The fact Tommy didn't make excuses about the weight in the way Leonard always made excuses for his defeats only goes to highlight the difference in class between the two men.

2. He had already LOST to the naturally smaller Duran, so of course the rematch win carries less credit than the original fight. It is simply ridiculous to discount Duran's BRILLIANT win over Leonard and crow about the rematch, unless of course you have an agenda. The guy was giving up 3 inches, in height, 7 inches in reach, and by fight time possibly 7 pounds in weight, and still won.

3. With regard to Benitez, it is of course always convenient for Leonard fans to forget Wilfred won his first title at 140, whereas Leonard was always a " natural " Welter / Light Middle. But yes a very good win.

4. I honestly can't believe anyone who claims to know about the game wants to promote the disputable win over a highly faded Hagler as some massive achievement. It would have been if Leonard had come out, totally outclassed Hagler, and stopped him inside 5 rounds.

Are you even aware that in 83 Leonard was doing the commentary on Hagler / Duran, and at the end Roberto went straight over to Leonard and said " with your speed and movement you could beat this guy " yet Leonard STILL waited a further 4 years, until the very ordinary John Mugabi showed the world Marvin had deteriorated beyond belief. Mugabi had nothing, other than a big punch, yet he made Hagler look confused at times.

So no I don't think the 4 fights you give as examples make Leonard's ATG ness an assured bet. As the saying goes it is not who you beat, but when you beat them that truly matters, and I think other fighters have beaten guys who were a far greater threat to them than those you have listed as proof of Leonard's greatness.

So you won't credit the naturally smaller leonard coming our of retirement to beat Hagler? Ordinary Mugabi may have been, but he was a naturally much bigger man than Leonard, to say Mugabi had nothing but a punch is doing him a disservice also.

I hated Leonard as a kid, Hagler was my idol, but I learned to give Leonard credit.

Hearns was always big at 147, but it didn't stop him tearing people to pieces at the weight before he fought Leonard. In fact just 12 months earlier, he annihilated Cuevas.

If he was so weight drained for Leonard, how come he was boxing his head off. Only a last ditch effort by Leonard stopped Hearns winning, Hearns was tiring for sure, but he was tiring because he had worked hard through the fight to box leonard to a standstill.

Clearly you dislike leonard, as I did as a kid, and refuse to give him credit for any of his achievements.
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golden oldie wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
golden oldie wrote:
Highly selective.

1. Without doubt Hearns was drained at the weight, hence he NEVER attempted to make 147 again after that fight, and indeed kept fighting for a further 25 years all bar the shouting. The fact Tommy didn't make excuses about the weight in the way Leonard always made excuses for his defeats only goes to highlight the difference in class between the two men.

2. He had already LOST to the naturally smaller Duran, so of course the rematch win carries less credit than the original fight. It is simply ridiculous to discount Duran's BRILLIANT win over Leonard and crow about the rematch, unless of course you have an agenda. The guy was giving up 3 inches, in height, 7 inches in reach, and by fight time possibly 7 pounds in weight, and still won.

3. With regard to Benitez, it is of course always convenient for Leonard fans to forget Wilfred won his first title at 140, whereas Leonard was always a " natural " Welter / Light Middle. But yes a very good win.

4. I honestly can't believe anyone who claims to know about the game wants to promote the disputable win over a highly faded Hagler as some massive achievement. It would have been if Leonard had come out, totally outclassed Hagler, and stopped him inside 5 rounds.

Are you even aware that in 83 Leonard was doing the commentary on Hagler / Duran, and at the end Roberto went straight over to Leonard and said " with your speed and movement you could beat this guy " yet Leonard STILL waited a further 4 years, until the very ordinary John Mugabi showed the world Marvin had deteriorated beyond belief. Mugabi had nothing, other than a big punch, yet he made Hagler look confused at times.

So no I don't think the 4 fights you give as examples make Leonard's ATG ness an assured bet. As the saying goes it is not who you beat, but when you beat them that truly matters, and I think other fighters have beaten guys who were a far greater threat to them than those you have listed as proof of Leonard's greatness.

So you won't credit the naturally smaller leonard coming our of retirement to beat Hagler? Ordinary Mugabi may have been, but he was a naturally much bigger man than Leonard, to say Mugabi had nothing but a punch is doing him a disservice also.

I hated Leonard as a kid, Hagler was my idol, but I learned to give Leonard credit.

Hearns was always big at 147, but it didn't stop him tearing people to pieces at the weight before he fought Leonard. In fact just 12 months earlier, he annihilated Cuevas.

If he was so weight drained for Leonard, how come he was boxing his head off. Only a last ditch effort by Leonard stopped Hearns winning, Hearns was tiring for sure, but he was tiring because he had worked hard through the fight to box leonard to a standstill.

Clearly you dislike leonard, as I did as a kid, and refuse to give him credit for any of his achievements.
I am simply uninterested in childish accusations along the lines of " you don't like Leonard " as it is neither here nor there.

Suffice to say you have not even acknowledged Duran's fantastic win over Leonard.

As for the other stuff just one question.

Did Tommy get tired when he beat Benitez, Sutherland, Minchillo, De Witt, Kinchen, Olajide, Hill, and Delgado, all in title fights, and all on points ( with the exception of Sutherland ) when funnily enough he weighed more than 147?

It is simply agenda driven to deny Hearns was badly weight drained for the Leonard fight, and to also deny that is the reason for Tommy's collapse in a fight he was winning quite comfortably. Of course Leonard jumped on him once he knew there was no snap or power left in Hearns shots. It is simply a matter of how much credit you want to give him for that.
Of course i acknowledge Duran's win! We aren't discussing Duran though. Duran is one of my all time favourites.

Anyway, I can see this turning into a very long and tedious discussion. Let's just leave it there.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:If he was so weight drained for Leonard, how come he was boxing his head off. Only a last ditch effort by Leonard stopped Hearns winning, Hearns was tiring for sure, but he was tiring because he had worked hard through the fight to box leonard to a standstill
Leonard did a great job, but he had a lot of help because of Hearns' precarious weight drained condition... Hearns woke up the morning of the fight severely dehydrated and actually added a few pounds before the weigh-in.. You have to admit Hearns looked unnaturally skinny and weak for that fight compared to his other fights at Welterweight.. He was such a big Welterweight you'd expect him to come in at the last ounce of the limit, but they had him weighing on a faulty scale in camp.

Hearns outboxed Leonard in the middle rounds of the fight because he had a big advantage in height and reach and was a good jabber and mover and he was highly motivated to win the fight regardless of how he felt.. That had nothing to do with the fact that he was running out of gas at a rapid rate and Leonard could obviously sense him weakening.. When Hearns' tank was completely dry Leonard came in and wasted him.. Not something difficult to do.

Like Joey Maxim getting rid of Sugar Ray Robinson when his tank ran low... SRR was leading on all cards -- but was a gone goose so Maxim went after him.
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I have no biases Fungal Moldie... I assess all boxers under discussion with equal scrutiny.

And you're exaggerating as usual... It was 104 degrees not 106. And it was at night which is a mitigating factor. If it were 114 degrees under the sun it would have been a much bigger problem for both fighters. It wasn’t so hot it kept the fans away; they arrived in droves... And the referee hopped... circled... ran around the ring like a jackrabbit on crack... and separated clinches repeatedly instead of ordering the boxers to let go... That’s the only reason ref didn’t last... He was showing off and burning more energy than the boxers.

BTW... It’s a much BIGGER problem if you're weight drained as Hearns was—because it effects YOU—and NOT your opponent. When the weather is hot it effects BOTH fighters equally, so your opponent is being drained as much by the weather as you are.

If the boxers are smart they’ll make adjustments for the heat... they’ll pace themselves... drink a moderate amount of water between rounds... and save something for the late rounds so they can finish strong like Maxim did... But what if they’re not very bright??? They’ll waste themselves trying to get a KO when they have no chance under the moon of getting one—especially if their opponent is physically bigger than them, and probably has more punch resistance than anyone the more ill-advised boxer ever fought.
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I'm a fan of both Hector and Ray, but Hector was lucky to have caught both Howard Davis Jr. and Sugar Ray Leonard past their primes
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