Petition against secondary ticket sites

[Andrew]

Someone suggested I put this as its own thread

I thought people would be interested because the topic appears on the forum frequently.

I'd had seen this elsewhere and it has 27,000 signatures get to 100,000 and it has to be discussed in parliament.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171819

[mullenman]

Signed it thanks..

It's about time the government done something about it

[Supremo]

Signed. Hopefully can get the 100k mark.

[Mimmy]

There is this woman at work, desperate for tickets to see Adele. Paid £800 for 2 tickets on a touting site. Now 2 things here. Touting sites really should be blocked, but anyone paying £800 for 2 tickets with a face value of 80 each really need to take a look at themselves too. Thats why there are touting sites.

[Stuarty]

Signed

[tobyh5]

Someone suggested I put this as its own thread

I thought people would be interested because the topic appears on the forum frequently.

I'd had seen this elsewhere and it has 27,000 signatures get to 100,000 and it has to be discussed in parliament.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171819

Signed but it does not have to be discussed in parliament, that's a mistake I see repeated on every petition. It will be considered for debate which is different

[Finn]

Signed

[Andrew]

There was a response to this a couple of weeks ago. I'll give the report a quick scan this week.

Still think the whole thing is a joke particularly when it comes to concerts especially.

It is an offence for an unauthorised person to sell a ticket for a designated football match in person, or via the internet under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. The main purpose of this legislation is to ensure public order, by preventing the unauthorised resale of tickets and thus maintaining the segregation of rival fans. The same public order concerns do not apply to concert tickets where there is no significant history of disturbances between different groups of fans.

The Government has sympathy for those fans that wait anxiously for tickets to come on sale only to be frustrated when they cannot get tickets but then find that they are almost immediately being sold at a grossly inflated price on the secondary ticketing market. Professor Waterson, who undertook an independent review of online secondary ticketing such as this, took into consideration the football and Olympic legislation as well as new rules that had been set out in the Consumer Rights Act 2015. However, in his report of 26 May 2016 (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inde ... shed-today) he did not recommend further legislation or the extension of the football legislation to other events. Instead he called for the existing rules to be more vigorously enforced and for the event organisers to take greater responsibility for the way the ticketing market operates. The Government will respond formally to Professor Waterson’s report in due course.

Consumers and the economy benefit in various ways from the existence of a well-functioning secondary ticket market. First, it creates a safe and straightforward way for consumers who have bought tickets, often much in advance of the event, to get some money back if they cannot use them. Second it provides an opportunity to attend events for people unable or unwilling to participate in the original primary ticket sale. This may include tourists wanting to attend a local event as well as those more spontaneous in their behaviours. Depending on the popularity of the event they may have to pay a premium over those who bought tickets from the primary source, but this is a value judgment for them to make. For some events, buying tickets in the secondary ticketing market close to the actual date of the performance, may actually provide a cheaper means of access giving people who might not otherwise have been able to afford the event, the chance to do so. Not everyone wants to join the (virtual) queue to buy tickets when first on sale. For them secondary ticketing meets a consumer need. Thirdly therefore, secondary ticketing is a viable profitable service which some people, both as purchasers and sellers, desire and banning it is liable to push such tickets onto the black market where there are less protections.

One of the recommendations made by Professor Waterson in his review, is that primary ticket vendors do more in regards to deterring mass purchasing by individuals not intent on attending the event including those using digital ticket purchasing software (“bots”) to purchase excessive number of tickets. This currently deprives consumers of the chance to acquire tickets at the price originally established by the event organiser. He believed that organisers should seriously consider requirements for individuals to prove they are indeed individuals by means such as confirmed identity technologies. He also recommended that private ticket vendors report “bot” attacks to the police so that they can be investigated.

The Government will consider the specific issue of bots and whether there is scope for further Government intervention in this area.

In addition, Professor Waterson has produced some practical guidance that should be taken into account by consumers when purchasing tickets. These practical tips are available through the Citizens Advice consumer helpline website.

Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategyf

[coneye]

Its a simple fix really ,, When people get through , make it known loud and clear , theres a limit of say 10 tickets , must be payed for by credit card , and if picked up id must be shown , Its not been fixed because promoters don't want it fixed , which makes me wonder , if there are cash kickbacks floating about

[moogie101]

Its a simple fix really ,, When people get through , make it known loud and clear , theres a limit of say 10 tickets , must be payed for by credit card , and if picked up id must be shown , Its not been fixed because promoters don't want it fixed , which makes me wonder , if there are cash kickbacks floating about

I wonder if its more so the promoter can say the show was an immediate sellout.

I know Ricky Gervais is campaigning against touts buying tickets for his latest tour so maybe change is coming. But as already said above, anyone happily paying several times the face value deserves to be fleeced.

[deadpan]

The 'if someone is prepared to pay over the odds that's their look out' argument negates the point. They shouldn't have to. And if someone wants to attend but can't afford the inflated secondary market fee that is morally repugnant.

And yes, signed. Thanks for posting it here naandrew.

[sgtcecil]

Wonder what the humble/hungry/future people's champion has to say about this...

[Autobarn]

Yeah you'd think there'd be some complicity from the people who run boxing.


Slightly different subject, isn't Al Haymon supposed to have done something like this, selling tickets on eBay at whopping prices for shows his fighters are fighting on?

[fightfan95]

There was another petition about this last year and it managed to get the 100,000 and go to parliament - I have signed this one as well, but I don't hold much hope it will be banned.

[freddydoesdallas]

Wonder what the humble/hungry/future people's champion has to say about this...

Just other this from him

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I'm really against my fans being taken for a ride by touts in such sites as viagogo, getmein and seat wave. They need to be stopped very fast.

Thanks for listening folks and by the way, please visit my sponsor www.stubhub.co.uk to get tickets for my sold out fight against Wladimir klitschko

[Counter-puncher]

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I'm really against my fans being taken for a ride by touts in such sites as viagogo, getmein and seat wave. They need to be stopped very fast.

Thanks for listening folks and by the way, please visit my sponsor http://www.stubhub.co.uk to get tickets for my sold out fight against Wladimir klitschko

you're shitting me?

[freddydoesdallas]

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I'm really against my fans being taken for a ride by touts in such sites as viagogo, getmein and seat wave. They need to be stopped very fast.

Thanks for listening folks and by the way, please visit my sponsor http://www.stubhub.co.uk to get tickets for my sold out fight against Wladimir klitschko

you're shitting me?

no that was me anticipating his response to this

[Counter-puncher]

[deadpan]

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you're shitting me?

no that was me anticipating his response to this

It felt chillingly authentic

[Counter-puncher]

you're shitting me?

no that was me anticipating his response to this

It felt chillingly authentic

indeed

[freddydoesdallas]

no that was me anticipating his response to this

It felt chillingly authentic

indeed

He's a cool, calm corporate monster

[jamesmcdonnell]

On a slightly different note, there's always a load of touts near brixton academy, and they really are the scum of the earth, vile, racist, aggressive pudenda, seen them beating someone up for trying to sell their ticket direct to someone, and racially abusing shopkeepers. All ex football hooligan types, coked up to the bollocks nasty pudenda. I've never understood why they aren't prosecuted, in my 46 years in London, I've never once seen the police so much as question them.

[Andrew]

On a slightly different note, there's always a load of touts near brixton academy, and they really are the scum of the earth, vile, racist, aggressive pudenda, seen them beating someone up for trying to sell their ticket direct to someone, and racially abusing shopkeepers. All ex football hooligan types, coked up to the bollocks nasty pudenda. I've never understood why they aren't prosecuted, in my 46 years in London, I've never once seen the police so much as question them.

The same guys sell the all over Manchester gig venues and have for years. Never seem to be any trouble though

[jamesmcdonnell]

On a slightly different note, there's always a load of touts near brixton academy, and they really are the scum of the earth, vile, racist, aggressive pudenda, seen them beating someone up for trying to sell their ticket direct to someone, and racially abusing shopkeepers. All ex football hooligan types, coked up to the bollocks nasty pudenda. I've never understood why they aren't prosecuted, in my 46 years in London, I've never once seen the police so much as question them.

The same guys sell the all over Manchester gig venues and have for years. Never seem to be any trouble though

Not sure it's the same crew, these people are horrible bastards.

[Andrew]

This follows on from the report mentioned

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39239133