BBBofC: Tyson Fury will NOT be making boxing return in May - ‘He hasn’t contacted us. He’s still suspended’

[jamesmcdonnell]

Who are these appropriate clinical staff within the board? If however there is none within the board, isnt it a responsibility that they should have such staff within the organisation? You cant tell me that when they interview possible sufferers from depression they suddenly find apprepriate clinic staff to be available to make a clinical decision at the time of an interview. Whats on paper and what comes out of a persons mouth are totally different.

You hire them in.

If I was a top member of the board at BBBoC I would advise they employ sufficiant staff and give staff training on issues such as mental health, and brain injury symptoms, signs of steroid abuse (before blood and urine test to detect) and sexual orientation matters such as abuse and equality.

Its quite easy for a 'system' to move with the times but you have to want it.

Where would they find the money to employ all these full time staff?

[Mimmy]

You hire them in.

If I was a top member of the board at BBBoC I would advise they employ sufficiant staff and give staff training on issues such as mental health, and brain injury symptoms, signs of steroid abuse (before blood and urine test to detect) and sexual orientation matters such as abuse and equality.

Its quite easy for a 'system' to move with the times but you have to want it.

Where would they find the money to employ all these full time staff?

Same place as BIBA I guess. Fees from licence holders, fees from managers of boxers, fees from promoters, fees from boxing events, fees from what other means they get fees from. Safety and health isnt about where they get the money from this money should already be there. They are a business who make money from the above.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If I was a top member of the board at BBBoC I would advise they employ sufficiant staff and give staff training on issues such as mental health, and brain injury symptoms, signs of steroid abuse (before blood and urine test to detect) and sexual orientation matters such as abuse and equality.

Its quite easy for a 'system' to move with the times but you have to want it.

Where would they find the money to employ all these full time staff?

Same place as BIBA I guess. Fees from licence holders, fees from managers of boxers, fees from promoters, fees from boxing events, fees from what other means they get fees from. Safety and health isnt about where they get the money from this money should already be there. They are a business who make money from the above.

Well it's not so long ago they had to bailed out. It's not like they are wedged up. They don't take fees from boxing events, what fees do you think they get. Their officials are paid for their time, but the BBBofC doesn't take a cut of the promotion. They are a charitable organisation. What are you talking about?

[Mimmy]

Where would they find the money to employ all these full time staff?

Same place as BIBA I guess. Fees from licence holders, fees from managers of boxers, fees from promoters, fees from boxing events, fees from what other means they get fees from. Safety and health isnt about where they get the money from this money should already be there. They are a business who make money from the above.

Well it's not so long ago they had to bailed out. It's not like they are wedged up. They don't take fees from boxing events, what fees do you think they get. Their officials are paid for their time, but the BBBofC doesn't take a cut of the promotion. They are a charitable organisation. What are you talking about?

Come on James. They are responsible for the health and safety of their members. You dont know what their finance is truly like unless you are an employee??

Did you read the email I got from BIBA? They are a far smaller outfit, and yesterday where training medical staff how to use the brain scanners they have purchased, BIBA have very dinstinguished medical staff on board too. They are taking health and safety, along with mental health safety to another level and people mock them, but you are telling me the BBBoC cannot afford to look after its boxers.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Same place as BIBA I guess. Fees from licence holders, fees from managers of boxers, fees from promoters, fees from boxing events, fees from what other means they get fees from. Safety and health isnt about where they get the money from this money should already be there. They are a business who make money from the above.

Well it's not so long ago they had to bailed out. It's not like they are wedged up. They don't take fees from boxing events, what fees do you think they get. Their officials are paid for their time, but the BBBofC doesn't take a cut of the promotion. They are a charitable organisation. What are you talking about?

Come on James. They are responsible for the health and safety of their members. You dont know what their finance is truly like unless you are an employee??

Did you read the email I got from BIBA? They are a far smaller outfit, and yesterday where training medical staff how to use the brain scanners they have purchased, BIBA have very dinstinguished medical staff on board too. They are talking health and safety, along mith mental health safety to anothe rlevel and people mock then, but you are telling me the BBBoC cannot afford to look after its boxers.

Where do BIBA get their funding from. Just because they are smaller, doesn't mean they have less money. Do you realise how many shows the BBBofC has to appoint officials for, how many fighters they have to licence? I think Mimmy, you are making a lot of assumptions. How many fighters do BIBA have to licence and officiate for?

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made to the BBBofC, but I think the idea they have lots of cash around is fallacious.

[Mimmy]

Well it's not so long ago they had to bailed out. It's not like they are wedged up. They don't take fees from boxing events, what fees do you think they get. Their officials are paid for their time, but the BBBofC doesn't take a cut of the promotion. They are a charitable organisation. What are you talking about?

Come on James. They are responsible for the health and safety of their members. You dont know what their finance is truly like unless you are an employee??

Did you read the email I got from BIBA? They are a far smaller outfit, and yesterday where training medical staff how to use the brain scanners they have purchased, BIBA have very dinstinguished medical staff on board too. They are talking health and safety, along mith mental health safety to anothe rlevel and people mock then, but you are telling me the BBBoC cannot afford to look after its boxers.

Where do BIBA get their funding from. Just because they are smaller, doesn't mean they have less money. Do you realise how many shows the BBBofC has to appoint officials for, how many fighters they have to licence? I think Mimmy, you are making a lot of assumptions. How many fighters do BIBA have to licence and officiate for?

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made to the BBBofC, but I think the idea they have lots of cash around is fallacious.

No, what im saying is that they have a responsibility to look after its boxers welfare, and I mean in all aspects of health. Are BBBoC spending so much money on board wages? You cant say they all work for free. Charity or not if you 'work' for them you have to be looked after appropriately otherwise law suits are made when something goes wrong.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Come on James. They are responsible for the health and safety of their members. You dont know what their finance is truly like unless you are an employee??

Did you read the email I got from BIBA? They are a far smaller outfit, and yesterday where training medical staff how to use the brain scanners they have purchased, BIBA have very dinstinguished medical staff on board too. They are talking health and safety, along mith mental health safety to anothe rlevel and people mock then, but you are telling me the BBBoC cannot afford to look after its boxers.

Where do BIBA get their funding from. Just because they are smaller, doesn't mean they have less money. Do you realise how many shows the BBBofC has to appoint officials for, how many fighters they have to licence? I think Mimmy, you are making a lot of assumptions. How many fighters do BIBA have to licence and officiate for?

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made to the BBBofC, but I think the idea they have lots of cash around is fallacious.

No, what im saying is that they have a responsibility to look after its boxers welfare, and I mean in all aspects of health. Are BBBoC spending so much money on board wages? You cant say they all work for free. Charity or not if you 'work' for them you have to be looked after appropriately otherwise law suits are made when something goes wrong.

Of course they have to pay their board members, though I think some of them only take a small stipend as they aren't all full timers.

[Mimmy]

Where do BIBA get their funding from. Just because they are smaller, doesn't mean they have less money. Do you realise how many shows the BBBofC has to appoint officials for, how many fighters they have to licence? I think Mimmy, you are making a lot of assumptions. How many fighters do BIBA have to licence and officiate for?

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made to the BBBofC, but I think the idea they have lots of cash around is fallacious.

No, what im saying is that they have a responsibility to look after its boxers welfare, and I mean in all aspects of health. Are BBBoC spending so much money on board wages? You cant say they all work for free. Charity or not if you 'work' for them you have to be looked after appropriately otherwise law suits are made when something goes wrong.

Of course they have to pay their board members, though I think some of them only take a small stipend as they aren't all full timers.

Regardless of any arguments regarding funds, if you work for someone thay are responsible by law to look after you. the BBBoC have a responsibility to provide any medical needs a boxer has. They have to give any mental health boxer the needs he requires. Its the law.

[jamesmcdonnell]

No, what im saying is that they have a responsibility to look after its boxers welfare, and I mean in all aspects of health. Are BBBoC spending so much money on board wages? You cant say they all work for free. Charity or not if you 'work' for them you have to be looked after appropriately otherwise law suits are made when something goes wrong.

Of course they have to pay their board members, though I think some of them only take a small stipend as they aren't all full timers.

Regardless of any arguments regarding funds, if you work for someone thay are responsible by law to look after you. the BBBoC have a responsibility to provide any medical needs a boxer has. They have to give any mental health boxer the needs he requires. Its the law.

Yes, but that doesn't mean they are required to have full time psychiatric staff. They just need to consult with the appropriate professionals.

[Mimmy]

Of course they have to pay their board members, though I think some of them only take a small stipend as they aren't all full timers.

Regardless of any arguments regarding funds, if you work for someone thay are responsible by law to look after you. the BBBoC have a responsibility to provide any medical needs a boxer has. They have to give any mental health boxer the needs he requires. Its the law.

Yes, but that doesn't mean they are required to have full time psychiatric staff. They just need to consult with the appropriate professionals.

I agree with you there but im not confident they have appropriate staff on tap. I might be wrong because I dont work for them. But if funds are tight I cant imagine they would spend a potential high fee for interviewing a boxer who has been on drugs or has mental health issues and is called in for a 1 day or possibly longer interview to decide his future. Lets leave it there fella cause we can go on like this for ages.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Regardless of any arguments regarding funds, if you work for someone thay are responsible by law to look after you. the BBBoC have a responsibility to provide any medical needs a boxer has. They have to give any mental health boxer the needs he requires. Its the law.

Yes, but that doesn't mean they are required to have full time psychiatric staff. They just need to consult with the appropriate professionals.

I agree with you there but im not confident they have appropriate staff on tap. I might be wrong because I dont work for them. But if funds are tight I cant imagine they would spend a potential high fee for interviewing a boxer who has been on drugs or has mental health issues and is called in for a 1 day or possibly longer interview to decide his future. Lets leave it there fella cause we can go on like this for ages.

I would imagine it would be very easy to hire in private medical staff to review his medical records, if he's been diagnosed, which his family said he was, then it will be a matter of record, and the board could then take advice on any medications relating to it, and any risks involved in someone of his mental status fighting. I don't really see much difficulty in it.

[Mimmy]

Yes, but that doesn't mean they are required to have full time psychiatric staff. They just need to consult with the appropriate professionals.

I agree with you there but im not confident they have appropriate staff on tap. I might be wrong because I dont work for them. But if funds are tight I cant imagine they would spend a potential high fee for interviewing a boxer who has been on drugs or has mental health issues and is called in for a 1 day or possibly longer interview to decide his future. Lets leave it there fella cause we can go on like this for ages.

I would imagine it would be very easy to hire in private medical staff to review his medical records, if he's been diagnosed, which his family said he was, then it will be a matter of record, and the board could then take advice on any medications relating to it, and any risks involved in someone of his mental status fighting. I don't really see much difficulty in it.

My last bite on this one. I see your point but lets say the medical records are 6 months or a year out of date due to various reasons such as, not filled in correctly, this does happen or they have not been filled in at all. how does the board determine if a boxer is fit to box again. Face to face interview with the appropriate medical team.

[olij999]

Come on James. They are responsible for the health and safety of their members. You dont know what their finance is truly like unless you are an employee??

Did you read the email I got from BIBA? They are a far smaller outfit, and yesterday where training medical staff how to use the brain scanners they have purchased, BIBA have very dinstinguished medical staff on board too. They are talking health and safety, along mith mental health safety to anothe rlevel and people mock then, but you are telling me the BBBoC cannot afford to look after its boxers.

Where do BIBA get their funding from. Just because they are smaller, doesn't mean they have less money. Do you realise how many shows the BBBofC has to appoint officials for, how many fighters they have to licence? I think Mimmy, you are making a lot of assumptions. How many fighters do BIBA have to licence and officiate for?

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made to the BBBofC, but I think the idea they have lots of cash around is fallacious.

No, what im saying is that they have a responsibility to look after its boxers welfare, and I mean in all aspects of health. Are BBBoC spending so much money on board wages? You cant say they all work for free. Charity or not if you 'work' for them you have to be looked after appropriately otherwise law suits are made when something goes wrong.

The BBBofC has very few employees indeed - I don't know the exact number but am certain it is in mid-single figures. No-one on an Area Council gets paid for their time, even though it runs into hundreds of hours per year - we get mileage when we travel to shows (45p a mile) plus other expenses such as if we have to pay to park, but that's it. We "work" for them on a voluntary basis, and don't get "looked after", similar to volunteering for any charity, really. While it would be nice to employ more staff, that would mean licence fees having to go up, and the level of licence fees is already something that some licence holders are not happy about.

As for the medical points, we always have to be very careful, so that we are fair to the fighter and to the sport (so the fighter can fight if he/she is medically OK to do so, but not if they are not). If anything remotely medical comes up, it goes straight to the stewards in Cardiff who take specialist medical advice from leading consultants in the appropriate field of medicine. On our Area Council, if we get anything that is out of date, we ask the licence holder for a up to date version. So while I know some licence holders have a fair amount of criticism of the Board, some of it justified, I can't see what more the Board could do in this area.

[tobyh5]

Peter Fury IFL interview and he says that Tyson cannot get licenced anywhere as he is suspected due to UKAD and it is not due to failed tests but instead telling UKAD to feck off. Apparently they have a board hearing in May where it is hoped this will all be sorted out.

Also mentioned Hughie and the application for a visa to enter the country, he says he did a lot of paperwork but may not get in with all his form

[Oiky]

Hopefully Peter will be aloud to corner hughie in the fight

[spudder56]

Olij 999 is perfectly correct in what he says area council members and inspectors don't get paid they only get minimal expenses and indeed at shows are usually the first to arrive and the last to leave

[Andrew]

Peter Fury IFL interview and he says that Tyson cannot get licenced anywhere as he is suspected due to UKAD and it is not due to failed tests but instead telling UKAD to feck off. Apparently they have a board hearing in May where it is hoped this will all be sorted out.

Also mentioned Hughie and the application for a visa to enter the country, he says he did a lot of paperwork but may not get in with all his form

Just watched this.

If this is true why haven't UKAD officially cleared them ? Why have UKAD not officially cleared Hughie for nandrolone in 2015 as well and he coincidently doesn't fight for a year when this was made public.

Why havent the Furys themselves said they were cleared ages ago.

There are officially 3 anti doping violations against Tyson.
1) UKAD officially charged Hughe and Tyson for Nandrolone
2) Tyson failed a Vada test for cocaine
3) there were rumours Tyson refused a drugs test by telling testers to f*ck off which have now been confirmed.

Tyson has admitted cocaine ( something I don't necessarily think there should be huge bans for) Johnny Tapia got 3 years for that John slowey ( Scottish boxer) got that as well.

Literally what the F*ck is going on at UKAD. Still even more questions which have not been answered. Will the case file ever see the light of day ??????

[spudder56]

Just to clarify something if any boxer refuses a drugs test he/she is automatically classed as guilty all boxers when they are interviewed are made fully aware of this in the midlands area and I believe all areas do the same before any boxer gets recommended for a licence henceforth all board boxers are fully aware of the stance on drugs

[Andrew]

Just to clarify something if any boxer refuses a drugs test he/she is automatically classed as guilty all boxers when they are interviewed are made fully aware of this in the midlands area and I believe all areas do the same before any boxer gets recommended for a licence henceforth all board boxers are fully aware of the stance on drugs

I've never heard of anyone flat out refusing a drugs test though. This could be very bad.


Yet another question. Why has it taken so many months for a hearing ???

Newspapers said this happened along with the cocaine test failure last September. Putting two and two together it's obvious Tyson had mental/drug issues but he should still be banned for some time. Refusing could be worse than failing.

The nandrolone was in Feb 2015 FFS.

Until the case file is uploaded on UKads site no one can really judge them.

[Andrew]

So the BBC have done an investigation into doping in the UK at amateur level.

A charge for an amateur cyclist who was interviewed caught my interest.

He was banned for refusing to provide an anti doping sample to UKAD. Newspapers reported Tyson Fury also refused a drugs test last September by telling testers to f*** off. Peter Fury confirmed this is an IFL interview recently.

The cyclist was banned for two years ( from test failure date in Jan 2014). But the initial hearing didn't take place until 8 months after the test failure, then there was an appeal process and the actuall case file was not uploaded until September 2015 not long before the ban actually expired !! ( it's not on the site now though !)

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/lates ... ple-192254

The same article also mentions another cyclist getting a two year ban for the same thing

So with this in mind Tyson Fury will be banned for two years from September 2016. If you refuse a test you refuse a test. You can't come up with excuses contaminated food,sample tampered etc etc

[BitPlayer]

So with this in mind Tyson Fury will be banned for two years from September 2016. If you refuse a test you refuse a test. You can't come up with excuses contaminated food,sample tampered etc etc

Mental issues might carry some weight.

[Andrew]

So with this in mind Tyson Fury will be banned for two years from September 2016. If you refuse a test you refuse a test. You can't come up with excuses contaminated food,sample tampered etc etc

Mental issues might carry some weight.

Possibly reduce it but has he been diagnosed professionally ? He seems ok now can you have mental illness for a few months and be pretty fine.

Then it could have been a drug fuelled outburst at testers which would make perfect sense.

I still think it is ridiculous to think he will fight this year far too many questions that need answering.

Peter did say he has been cleared of the other 2 anti doping violations but neither UKAD or VADA ( cocaine) have said he ( and Hughie ) have been cleared of anything