I was a better pro than Mickey Ward by five degrees of separation. LMAO.

[sweetviolenturge]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

[Kalan]

Even beating somebody doesn't "prove" you were a better fighter...

Because maybe he was badly injured... old and washed up... robbed by the judges... careless and got caught with a KO punch and will easily beat you in any rematch... stopped on cuts and was winning the fight on all scorecards at the stoppage... got fouled and the referee missed the foul... the referee called a bogus foul against him and awarded you the fight... the boxing commissioners changed the result of the fight after the fact in a conspiratorial manner... or you beat a fighter who was better than you for any number of other reasons.

If you beat somebody - in most cases you were the better fighter... But when you start extrapolating by saying: I beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat Lomachenko -- then it becomes a little more tenuous.

[sweetviolenturge]

Obviously, I know that my friend. Thus, all the LMAO & LOLs.
I'm sorry if my attempt at humor didn't translate, but I was clearly joking.
There's no way that I would ever actually try to insinuate that I was ever actually a better fighter than any of those that I listed, especially Ward. I just thought that it was cool that I could connect my career to his in just five steps.
Styles, timing & an individual's circumstances all must be factored into why fighter A beat fighter B, but then lost to fighter C who lost fighter B, of course.

[BoxBuzz]

Even beating somebody doesn't "prove" you were a better fighter...

Because maybe he was badly injured... old and washed up... robbed by the judges... careless and got caught with a KO punch and will easily beat you in any rematch... stopped on cuts and was winning the fight on all scorecards at the stoppage... got fouled and the referee missed the foul... the referee called a bogus foul against him and awarded you the fight... the boxing commissioners changed the result of the fight after the fact in a conspiratorial manner... or you beat a fighter who was better than you for any number of other reasons.

If you beat somebody - in most cases you were the better fighter... But when you start extrapolating by saying: I beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat this guy -- who beat Lomachenko -- then it becomes a little more tenuous.

Kalan....clarity is coming to you. I'm going to cut and paste your very words to use when you forget these things. Which you have been known to do on occasion.
It is evident that you were fully cognizant when you wrote this....and now that I know you are capable of this type of quality sorting, I'm expecting more from you in the future.

With that said.....I'm going to ask that you experience no seizures, no strokes, no slumber typing, and no lazy thinking.....you are undoubtedly stepping it up lately.....Don't go and disappoint me.

[Kalan]

BuzzBox... You move your lips a lot, but you never say a damned thing that makes any sense whatever. Traipsing through moonbeams is your thing.

[Kalan]

BTW... I did immediately realized that the author of this thread was making an anemic attempt at humor... but this topic has already been as drilled to death as 6 degrees from Kevin beacon has been done... Just like beating somebody gives an indication that you may actually BE a better fighter than him -- beating the trash out of somebody who beat up the fighter you're meeting NEXT gives an indication of who will actually win.

Is it definitive??? ... When you combine it with a lot of other data and factors it could very well be definitive..

[sweetviolenturge]

BTW... I did immediately realized that the author of this thread was making an anemic attempt at humor... but this topic has already been as drilled to death as 6 degrees from Kevin beacon has been done... Just like beating somebody gives an indication that you may actually BE a better fighter than him -- beating the trash out of somebody who beat up the fighter you're meeting NEXT gives an indication of who will actually win.

Is it definitive??? ... When you combine it with a lot of other data and factors it could very well be definitive..

Wow, really Kalan? "an anemic attempt at humor"?
That hurts. See, I was going for some self-deprecating wit & you had to throw me under the bus. And here I thought we were friends. LOL.

[Tomasino]

The guy turns even lighthearted threads into his own personal crap pile.

[Tomasino]

The guy turns even lighthearted threads into his own personal crap pile.

Ad you of course are NEVER guilty of such a thing?

Of course I'm not. I'm guessing you logged in with wrong details, Kalan

[Ambling Alp II]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

That was pretty cool.

I noticed that Taylor fought a few name opponents; Oba Carr, Bronco McKart, and Syd Vanderpool. He lost to them all. However, would you have been able to take them out?

[BoxBuzz]

BuzzBox... You move your lips a lot, but you never say a damned thing that makes any sense whatever. Traipsing through moonbeams is your thing.

Kalan, I don't think I want to imagine what it looks like when your typing away at your computer, and no judgement intended here.....as I firmly subscribe to a "to each their own" philosophy.....

however in my case....when I type....my lips don't move.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The guy turns even lighthearted threads into his own personal crap pile.

Kalan is just jealous that this man had an actual professional fight while kalan was only involved in boxing during his internet fiction writing class. This has never been worse.

[sweetviolenturge]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

That was pretty cool.

I noticed that Taylor fought a few name opponents; Oba Carr, Bronco McKart, and Syd Vanderpool. He lost to them all. However, would you have been able to take them out?

Alp, thanks, man.
"Take them out"?
Hell no. I'm a realist. I was just a mediocre amateur ( 17-5) that was blessed with a hell of a good chin. That attribute & being able to offer up some pressure, a good right hand & a better left hook to the body got me steady work as a sparring partner with some good pros for years. I attempted to turn pro on a few occasions, but opponents not turning up & a host of other things kept it from happening until I was 28. And, by then, I had no desire to turn it into a career. I had been taught my lessons well as a sparring partner & knew my limitations. So, I just wanted a handful of pro fights just to be honored by saying that I once plied the same trade as so many great men before me.
It served my purposes as a fighter & as a fan. Because I never lost that aspect of myself. As that's how I came into the game. As a fan.
I began following boxing in 1976 when I was 14 & my interest in becoming a fighter sprung from my love of the sport as a fan. So, even later on, when I would go from one training camp to another getting steady work with guys like Ralph Racine, Calvin Porter, Livingstone Bramble, Hector Camacho & the Hilton bros. among others, I never began jaded. Even as they were beating the daylights out of me I would "geek out" because I'd be able to tell them that I got my black eye from Bramble or whomever else I was in there with.

As for Carr, McKart & Vanderpool, nope couldn't say that I would've beat them because Taylor lost to all those guys. Mombelly's the only name opponent that he beat & even then, I had to find three more levels of separation to get to Micky Ward. LOL.

[Counter-puncher]

I enjoyed your post and you made me smile, fella, and congrats on the career you did have

[APerno]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

Complete the history - give them a picture to post next to your record.

[Counter-puncher]

BTW... I did immediately realized that the author of this thread was making an anemic attempt at humor... but this topic has already been as drilled to death as 6 degrees from Kevin beacon has been done... Just like beating somebody gives an indication that you may actually BE a better fighter than him -- beating the trash out of somebody who beat up the fighter you're meeting NEXT gives an indication of who will actually win.

Is it definitive??? ... When you combine it with a lot of other data and factors it could very well be definitive..

Wow, really Kalan? "an anemic attempt at humor"?
That hurts. See, I was going for some self-deprecating wit & you had to throw me under the bus. And here I thought we were friends. LOL.

Haha you're a class act mate

[cfang]

I enjoyed your post and you made me smile, fella, and congrats on the career you did have

[sweetviolenturge]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

Complete the history - give them a picture to post next to your record.[/quote

[sweetviolenturge]

After all these years, I just realized something. By five degrees of separation, beginning with my first pro fight, I was better than one of my top three favorite fighters.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/653070
I drew with journeyman opponent George Taylor, who KO'd unbeaten prospect Curtis Mombelly, who KO'd Steve Manfredo, who outpointed Edwin Curet, who handed Mickey Ward his first pro loss via decision over ten rounds.
So, technically, using Allcorn = Taylor>Mombelly>Manfredo>Curet>Ward logic, I was the better man, right? LOL.
Obviously not gentlemen, but it definitely shows just how interesting playing around with Boxrec can be & the cool things that can be discovered here by using common opponents. Peace.
Jim

Complete the history - give them a picture to post next to your record.

Good idea, thanks. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=592DD3CC

[sweetviolenturge]

I enjoyed your post and you made me smile, fella, and congrats on the career you did have

Thanks, pal, I appreciate it.
I debated whether to make the post/thread for a while because I thought there was a good chance that many would respond to it like Kalan did. So, once I decided to do it, I knew that I'd have to choose my words carefully to set the tone of it properly.
And, I'm happy to say that the response to it has been overwhelmingly positive thus far. With, of course, the exception being Kalan. But then again, he's a contrarian by nature I suspect so...

Thanks again folks.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Kalan is a loser with nothing better to do. What's the story with your other fight? Reading the description it sounds like you should have won by tko.

[Kalan]

BuzzBox... You move your lips a lot, but you never say a damned thing that makes any sense whatever. Traipsing through moonbeams is your thing.

Kalan, I don't think I want to imagine what it looks like when your typing away at your computer, and no judgement intended here.....as I firmly subscribe to a "to each their own" philosophy.....

however in my case....when I type....my lips don't move.

And when you're using chat you're not really chatting... Make sure to correct them next time because it's a valuable use of your time.

[sweetviolenturge]

Kalan is a loser with nothing better to do. What's the story with your other fight? Reading the description it sounds like you should have won by tko.

Yeah, me too later on, but at the time it was over so fast that it seemed like no fight took place at all. And, with him being hurt so quickly in his hometown the powers that be didn't want to take anything else from him, so they just called it a no contest.

[Kalan]

Ad you of course are NEVER guilty of such a thing?

Of course I'm not. I'm guessing you logged in with wrong details, Kalan

Effin hell,

You can't even spot the difference in syntax between someone who is obviously North American ( Kalan ) and someone who isn't. I hope you haven't got a job that entails some kind of responsibility.

Right. We wouldn't want that ... And there a huge difference between making a crap pile (giving birth to Tomasino) and being a crap pile (Tomasino)