GGG vs Jacobs PPV numbers

[boxing_rocks]

How well or not so do you think they will do ?

[Jip]

something like 350. it will do better than kovalev-ward.

ggg's name keeps getting bigger and jacobs is not a nobody and maybe some people, some expert will want to watch gonzales and cuadras.

[lefty]

Around about 200k I believe.

[darkstar81]

How much are HBO charging?

[boxing_rocks]

The HD PPV is $65.

[Enlightened-One]

I have to be honest, the buy-rate for HBO’s most recent PPV events hasn’t been great and I’d be very surprised if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys:
• Ward-Kovalev = 160K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Vargas = 300K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Smith = 300K PPV buys
• Crawford-Postol = 50K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Khan = 600K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Bradley III = 400K buys
• Alvarez-Cotto = 900K PPV buys
• Golovkin-Lemieux = 150K PPV buys

Whilst it always “takes two to tango, if the Golovkin-Jacobs event only achieves similar PPV numbers to the GGG-Lemieux bout, then this could weaken Gennady's position to negotiate an “ideal” purse for the Canelo super-fight.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. had to play the part of the proverbial B-side against Gatti and De La Hoya en-route to become the sports leading PPV attraction… and I feel that Golovkin has to be willing to make similar concessions, by accepting GBP’s offer, if he holds any realistic ambitions for his appeal to crossover to the mainstream.

[lefty]

I have to be honest, the buy-rate for HBO’s most recent PPV events hasn’t been great and I’d be very surprised if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys:
• Ward-Kovalev = 160K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Vargas = 300K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Smith = 300K PPV buys
• Crawford-Postol = 50K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Khan = 600K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Bradley III = 400K buys
• Alvarez-Cotto = 900K PPV buys
• Golovkin-Lemieux = 150K PPV buys

Whilst it always “takes two to tango, if the Golovkin-Jacobs event only achieves similar PPV numbers to the GGG-Lemieux bout, then this could weaken Gennady's position to negotiate an “ideal” purse for the Canelo super-fight.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. had to play the part of the proverbial B-side against Gatti and De La Hoya en-route to become the sports leading PPV attraction… and I feel that Golovkin has to be willing to make similar concessions, by accepting GBP’s offer, if he holds any realistic ambitions for his appeal to crossover to the mainstream.

Neither GGG or Jacobs are "draws". Golovkin appeals to hardcore fans in the same way the Ward-Kovalev fight appealed to hardcore boxing fans but didn't cross over into the mainstream.

Alvarez on the other hand did 300k buys against Liam Smith. A guy that had never even fought on US television prior to fighting Canelo.

So Canelo achieved double the number of PPV buys than Golovkin did, despite fighting a completely unknown opponent. Atleast Lemiuex was somewhat known to the US boxing television consumer.

[Enlightened-One]

I have to be honest, the buy-rate for HBO’s most recent PPV events hasn’t been great and I’d be very surprised if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys:
• Ward-Kovalev = 160K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Vargas = 300K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Smith = 300K PPV buys
• Crawford-Postol = 50K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Khan = 600K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Bradley III = 400K buys
• Alvarez-Cotto = 900K PPV buys
• Golovkin-Lemieux = 150K PPV buys

Whilst it always “takes two to tango, if the Golovkin-Jacobs event only achieves similar PPV numbers to the GGG-Lemieux bout, then this could weaken Gennady's position to negotiate an “ideal” purse for the Canelo super-fight.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. had to play the part of the proverbial B-side against Gatti and De La Hoya en-route to become the sports leading PPV attraction… and I feel that Golovkin has to be willing to make similar concessions, by accepting GBP’s offer, if he holds any realistic ambitions for his appeal to crossover to the mainstream.

Neither GGG or Jacobs are "draws". Golovkin appeals to hardcore fans in the same way the Ward-Kovalev fight appealed to hardcore boxing fans but didn't cross over into the mainstream.

Alvarez on the other hand did 300k buys against Liam Smith. A guy that had never even fought on US television prior to fighting Canelo.

So Canelo achieved double the number of PPV buys than Golovkin did, despite fighting a completely unknown opponent. Atleast Lemiuex was somewhat known to the US boxing television consumer.

I wholeheartedly agree!

If we consider GGG’s most recent PPV, which took place on British shores, and compare it to one of Canelo’s smaller events…

Canelo-Smith would have generated about $19.5m in PPV revenue (based on 300K x $64.99).

Eddie Hearn was interviewed by Fight-Hype at the Jack-DeGale press conference and he conceded that the Golovkin-Brook fight only did 400K buys, not the 500K that was previously reported.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m. Assuming the same HBO PPV event price as Canelo-Smith, this is the US equivalent of approx. 138.5K buys.

Therefore, I’d be incredibly impressed if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys.

[Stuarty]

Not sure about numbers but you'll probably not get two more likeable guys in a PPV. Quite the paradox when you consider Haye v Bellew the other week!

[jezzamundo]

GGG's profile has increased since fighting Lemieux and I think Jacobs is a bit bigger name than Lemieux was, so I think somewhere in the 200-250k range is most likely, though I wouldn't be suprised if it did a little under 200k.

[Tarkus]

If we consider GGG’s most recent PPV, which took place on British shores, and compare it to one of Canelo’s smaller events…

Canelo-Smith would have generated about $19.5m in PPV revenue (based on 300K x $64.99).

Eddie Hearn was interviewed by Fight-Hype at the Jack-DeGale press conference and he conceded that the Golovkin-Brook fight only did 400K buys, not the 500K that was previously reported.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m. Assuming the same HBO PPV event price as Canelo-Smith, this is the US equivalent of approx. 138.5K buys.

Therefore, I’d be incredibly impressed if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys.

That math is worthless.

1. Assumption that higher price in another country would mean less buys to the same extent is baseless. UK PPV prices are traditionally much lower then US. American are happy to pay 3-5 times more for similar PPV. The only way you can calculate price effect on the sales is to compare the difference of the price for the particular event to the price of average PPV event in each country.

2. UK is 5 times!!! smaller then USA. Hello! At least you have to multiply that to 5. But that would mask the different level of interest for boxing PPV in different countries. So, for that math to work it is necessary to calculate the ratio of sale number for a given event to the average sales in each country. I presume GGG/Brook numbers were higher then UK average.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I have to be honest, the buy-rate for HBO’s most recent PPV events hasn’t been great and I’d be very surprised if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys:
• Ward-Kovalev = 160K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Vargas = 300K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Smith = 300K PPV buys
• Crawford-Postol = 50K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Khan = 600K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Bradley III = 400K buys
• Alvarez-Cotto = 900K PPV buys
• Golovkin-Lemieux = 150K PPV buys

This fight was Top Rank PPV and not HBO!

[Enlightened-One]

If we consider GGG’s most recent PPV, which took place on British shores, and compare it to one of Canelo’s smaller events…

Canelo-Smith would have generated about $19.5m in PPV revenue (based on 300K x $64.99).

Eddie Hearn was interviewed by Fight-Hype at the Jack-DeGale press conference and he conceded that the Golovkin-Brook fight only did 400K buys, not the 500K that was previously reported.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m. Assuming the same HBO PPV event price as Canelo-Smith, this is the US equivalent of approx. 138.5K buys.

Therefore, I’d be incredibly impressed if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys.

That math is worthless.

1. Assumption that higher price in another country would mean less buys to the same extent is baseless. UK PPV prices are traditionally much lower then US. American are happy to pay 3-5 times more for similar PPV. The only way you can calculate price effect on the sales is to compare the difference of the price for the particular event to the price of average PPV event in each country.

2. UK is 5 times!!! smaller then USA. Hello! At least you have to multiply that to 5. But that would mask the different level of interest for boxing PPV in different countries. So, for that math to work it is necessary to calculate the ratio of sale number for a given event to the average sales in each country. I presume GGG/Brook numbers were higher then UK average.

I tried to calculate the Golovkin-Brook PPV revenue to allow the resulting cash figure to be used for comparison purposes to the Canelo-Smith bout.

I also listed the Golovkin-Lemieux PPV buy-rate as well, since the total monies realised for that event would have been similar to the GGG-Brook PPV.

It doesn't really matter how sophisticated you want to analyse these figures, the only thing that matters is the total cash sums generated... and I supplied those figures.

The maths isn't worthless, since the PPV cash amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts.

[Enlightened-One]

I have to be honest, the buy-rate for HBO’s most recent PPV events hasn’t been great and I’d be very surprised if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys:
• Ward-Kovalev = 160K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Vargas = 300K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Smith = 300K PPV buys
• Crawford-Postol = 50K PPV buys
• Alvarez-Khan = 600K PPV buys
• Pacquiao-Bradley III = 400K buys
• Alvarez-Cotto = 900K PPV buys
• Golovkin-Lemieux = 150K PPV buys

This fight was Top Rank PPV and not HBO!

Agreed - my bad. Fortunately it doesn't really affect the point I made in any way.

[Thomastearns]

Its easily the biggest fight either has been involved in yet. The entire boxing world and many more beyond are aware of this fight. Its not Ali, Tyson or even Pacquiao but will attract a diverse fanbase.

The real numbers will be on Youtube and other media in the following days.

[jockpunk]

Keep in mind it is the first weekend of march madness. A lot of people are going to be watching basketball. I say 150k.

[Tarkus]

If we consider GGG’s most recent PPV, which took place on British shores, and compare it to one of Canelo’s smaller events…

Canelo-Smith would have generated about $19.5m in PPV revenue (based on 300K x $64.99).

Eddie Hearn was interviewed by Fight-Hype at the Jack-DeGale press conference and he conceded that the Golovkin-Brook fight only did 400K buys, not the 500K that was previously reported.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m. Assuming the same HBO PPV event price as Canelo-Smith, this is the US equivalent of approx. 138.5K buys.

Therefore, I’d be incredibly impressed if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys.

That math is worthless.

1. Assumption that higher price in another country would mean less buys to the same extent is baseless. UK PPV prices are traditionally much lower then US. American are happy to pay 3-5 times more for similar PPV. The only way you can calculate price effect on the sales is to compare the difference of the price for the particular event to the price of average PPV event in each country.

2. UK is 5 times!!! smaller then USA. Hello! At least you have to multiply that to 5. But that would mask the different level of interest for boxing PPV in different countries. So, for that math to work it is necessary to calculate the ratio of sale number for a given event to the average sales in each country. I presume GGG/Brook numbers were higher then UK average.

I tried to calculate the Golovkin-Brook PPV revenue to allow the resulting cash figure to be used for comparison purposes to the Canelo-Smith bout.

I also listed the Golovkin-Lemieux PPV buy-rate as well, since the total monies realised for that event would have been similar to the GGG-Brook PPV.

It doesn't really matter how sophisticated you want to analyse these figures, the only thing that matters is the total cash sums generated... and I supplied those figures.

The maths isn't worthless, since the PPV cash amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts.

You were trying to predicts viewer numbers from the total amount of money generated, without taking into account size of two countries. 5 times people will produce 5 times total money. Sophistication has nothing to do with it. It was just mindbogglingly wrong.

[Enlightened-One]

That math is worthless.

1. Assumption that higher price in another country would mean less buys to the same extent is baseless. UK PPV prices are traditionally much lower then US. American are happy to pay 3-5 times more for similar PPV. The only way you can calculate price effect on the sales is to compare the difference of the price for the particular event to the price of average PPV event in each country.

2. UK is 5 times!!! smaller then USA. Hello! At least you have to multiply that to 5. But that would mask the different level of interest for boxing PPV in different countries. So, for that math to work it is necessary to calculate the ratio of sale number for a given event to the average sales in each country. I presume GGG/Brook numbers were higher then UK average.

I tried to calculate the Golovkin-Brook PPV revenue to allow the resulting cash figure to be used for comparison purposes to the Canelo-Smith bout.

I also listed the Golovkin-Lemieux PPV buy-rate as well, since the total monies realised for that event would have been similar to the GGG-Brook PPV.

It doesn't really matter how sophisticated you want to analyse these figures, the only thing that matters is the total cash sums generated... and I supplied those figures.

The maths isn't worthless, since the PPV cash amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts.

You were trying to predicts viewer numbers from the total amount of money generated, without taking into account size of two countries. 5 times people will produce 5 times total money. Sophistication has nothing to do with it. It was just mindbogglingly wrong.

No, I calculated the total revenue generated for comparison purposes. I then calculated how many HBO PPV buys would have been required to generate the equivalent cash total. You can't claim I did otherwise since my words are not open to interpretation.

In regards to your belief that US PPV's should generate five times the total money that the UK could, based purely on the population size of both countries, is simply incorrect.

Let me make it simple… in order to calculate total PPV revenue:
• We know the price of the PPV event
• We also know the quantities sold (i.e. the buy-rate)

Therefore:
• PPV Price x Quantity Sold = Total PPV Revenue

The only extra calculation I did was simple currency conversion, which was done to ensure all figures reflected US dollars, in order to allow meaningful comparison.

The PPV revenue amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts (minus expenses). And boxers aren’t paid according to “mindboggling” theories related to population size; they’re compensated for their efforts with cold hard cash that exists in the "real world" – calculated from the sort of amounts that I supplied!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Around about 200k I believe.

X2

[boxing_rocks]

If a total purse is 7-8 mil, then 200K will not be enough to break even.

[Tarkus]

I tried to calculate the Golovkin-Brook PPV revenue to allow the resulting cash figure to be used for comparison purposes to the Canelo-Smith bout.

I also listed the Golovkin-Lemieux PPV buy-rate as well, since the total monies realised for that event would have been similar to the GGG-Brook PPV.

It doesn't really matter how sophisticated you want to analyse these figures, the only thing that matters is the total cash sums generated... and I supplied those figures.

The maths isn't worthless, since the PPV cash amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts.

You were trying to predicts viewer numbers from the total amount of money generated, without taking into account size of two countries. 5 times people will produce 5 times total money. Sophistication has nothing to do with it. It was just mindbogglingly wrong.

No, I calculated the total revenue generated for comparison purposes. I then calculated how many HBO PPV buys would have been required to generate the equivalent cash total. You can't claim I did otherwise since my words are not open to interpretation.

In regards to your belief that US PPV's should generate five times the total money that the UK could, based purely on the population size of both countries, is simply incorrect.

Let me make it simple… in order to calculate total PPV revenue:
• We know the price of the PPV event
• We also know the quantities sold (i.e. the buy-rate)

Therefore:
• PPV Price x Quantity Sold = Total PPV Revenue

The only extra calculation I did was simple currency conversion, which was done to ensure all figures reflected US dollars, in order to allow meaningful comparison.

The PPV revenue amounts I calculated would have been paid to HBO or Sky's bank accounts (minus expenses). And boxers aren’t paid according to “mindboggling” theories related to population size; they’re compensated for their efforts with cold hard cash that exists in the "real world" – calculated from the sort of amounts that I supplied!

Jesus! Relax, noone accused you in mortal sin. You struggle with numbers, thats all. Lot of otherwise smart people do. Just avoid discussing maths whenever you can and you will be fine.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The guy never posts anything correct and then spends pages twisting the point for some kind of victory.real sick bastard.

[gilgamesh]

Around about 200k I believe.

X2

That's what I'm thinking as well.

[Enlightened-One]

Jesus! Relax, noone accused you in mortal sin. You struggle with numbers, thats all. Lot of otherwise smart people do. Just avoid discussing maths whenever you can and you will be fine.

The guy never posts anything correct and then spends pages twisting the point for some kind of victory.real sick bastard.

What's wrong with the maths contained in my post below?

If you're going to talk the talk, you've got to walk the walk, now prove why I’m twisting things? Are the PPV prices, buy-rates, currency exchange rate or my calculated total PPV revenue figures incorrect?

Let's see what you can do about the facts detailed in the post I've quoted below!

If we consider GGG’s most recent PPV, which took place on British shores, and compare it to one of Canelo’s smaller events…

Canelo-Smith would have generated about $19.5m in PPV revenue (based on 300K x $64.99).

Eddie Hearn was interviewed by Fight-Hype at the Jack-DeGale press conference and he conceded that the Golovkin-Brook fight only did 400K buys, not the 500K that was previously reported.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m.

[Tarkus]

Funny how you conveniently omitted the main point of the your whole post. At least I see now you understand it. Thats progress.

So doing the maths: GGG-Brook, 400K x $22.50 (or £16.95), equates to about $9m. Assuming the same HBO PPV event price as Canelo-Smith, this is the US equivalent of approx. 138.5K buys.

Therefore, I’d be incredibly impressed if Golovkin-Jacobs exceeds 200K buys.

The guy never posts anything correct and then spends pages twisting the point for some kind of victory.real sick bastard.

Some sort of juvenile delinquency no doubt.