davie wrote:"how come he missed any punches against such a pathetic bag?" Because landing punches is not just about speed, if it were Amir Khan would be the most accurate fighter in the world. It takes timing, accuracy, choosing the right shot, feints to get your man in the position you want to throw the punch at. Come on man, you've trained hundreds of fighters, you should know this sh1t. Slow fighters land punches if they do it right. Fast fighter miss if they're shite.
the rest of the post basically equates levels of competition and nature of victories (which are decided on many many physical and technical attributes) to hand speed as if the argument actually makes any sense. It's utter pish, below even your usually dismal level
I do know all that "sh!t" and you're just throwing stuff back at me about distance, feinting, and footwork that I've repeated many, many times, so you're full of it. Maybe you just don't want to listen but want to argue for the sake of trying to win an argument.
You're confusing flashiness with speed... It doesn't take a lot of hand speed to be flashy.. The Jitterbug is a very flashy dance that's impressive because of the apparent speed and intricacy of the moves, but most young dancers are fast enough to master the moves by practicing each component of the move individually and finally putting them all together. Though it may take months to do well, the end result is a natural and extremely fast, flashy, and skilled dancer to the average observer.
Amir Khan is flashy and throws barrages of punches that didn't accomplish a lot against Danny Garcia except getting him blasted with full-blooded counter-shots. But against someone like Dmitriy Salita it produced a quick flashy KO that had some fans marveling.
You saw Ali throw flashy flurries against London that you never saw him throw against Frazier, Norton, or more dangerous fighters because there’d be something coming back. You can sacrifice power and accuracy for speed and flashiness, but a couple levels above the London’s and Williams’ of the world, the dancing, and flashy milling flurries do not get winning results.
Shane Mosley was always thought to be extremely fast until he fought Vernon Forrest and rangy straight punches ripped into him. Forrest was faster.
Part of the reason Tunney had MUCH faster hands than Dempsey is because he focused more on straight punches like the jab and straight right, and Dempsey generally abandoned the jab in favor of spectacular hooks and swings. The fastest way from point A to point B is a straight shot.
I’m not pointing this out because it’s a revelation, but because many boxers abandon the jab and straight right lead because they’re very difficult punches to master. They think that if you’re bigger, stronger, faster, and tougher why not simply get close and start throwing??? Which is what they believe the fans want to see. They don’t want to see a boring jabbing contest. But if you want to have fast hands and outscore your opponent by a ton you need a boxer’s mentality and not a fighter’s.
