Will you root for Joshua or for Klitschko ? Why ?

[caldo2025]

You have no "point here" to be sided with. You have made the best case against your original position simply because you were called out on your baseless insults of WKlit and those who disagreed with you. When you face a barage of insults in return, you back off your claim and look for a victory in retreat.

Your argument is that Wlad wasn't on TV enough in the USA and therefore he is not as great of a champion as many, but not all other lineal champions. That is a long assed way from being the "worst heavy weight champion in history," as you originally claimed and defended.

Btw, why would I deny using the resources available to me to communicate clearly? I use the dictionary too. Do you have a problem with it?

Did / have you actually thought about what you originally said? You continue to be laughably wrong even in your current incarnation of your position on Wlad. That says all anyone needs to know about your original claim.

You are lame.

You don't find it the least bit pathetic that you aren't smart enough to insult someone without a dictionary or thesaurus?

I'll never convince you Wlad hard ons who apparently love robots and NOT seeing championship fights. In your minds, the reign was fantastic. Try to look up moronic next time in your little books next to your computer.

You are really dense. I mean chopping block dense. Your come back to my argument has descended to the point of personal attacks on my utilization of materials that verify or accentuate accuracy. I need no thesaurus to eviscerate your original literally braindead claim that WKlit "is the worst heavy weight champion in history." All I had to do was hold you like roadkill up to the light and let you make my argument for me.

You are wrong. You were wrong from the beginning and you continue to be inaccurate, even given your ludicrously pathetic retreat from your original folly.

I do not love Wlad. I never have even liked Wlad. However, I respect his accomplishments, which include being a great ambassador for the sport globally. He is also an intelligent, articulate person. He has also had a superior reign to the majority of heavy weight champs in history, whether or not his fights were in a time zone that make it convenient for your chopping block assed, pea brained skull to observe live.

You would have been better off just admitting that your original statement was complete pig excrement rather than prove how putrid your position is yourself over and over and over again.

Care to demonstrate for us why Wlad is NOT "the worst heavy weight champion in history" once more? It is amusing observing you shred your own argument repeatedly.

I'm not wrong at all. Far from it. But you're too busy trying to look up different witty words for "shiit" in your books that you don't have time to understand how correct i am. EVERYTHING that i've said here is 100% truth and either you are too dense as a superfan to give it credence or you just have to keep up with your trolling of me so that means you can't agree with me. Maybe it's a combination of both.

Do you know how i know that i'm correct? I'm an avid fan of the sport and I just asked myself to name Wlad's biggest fights and memorable moments. I came up with two losses (Sanders & Fury). Then I thought the Haye win which was basically a women slap fight over a hairbrush. That's what you have for memories from an avid fan of Boxing about the 10 or so years of Wlad's reign as champion.

Oh yeah, he's been a real joy to the sport and entertainment in general. You must also like the old movies in black and white with no sound too. What a joke you are. Your hero's two most memorable fights were losses. Oh yeah, wasn't he the greatest?

[Tanzio]

You don't find it the least bit pathetic that you aren't smart enough to insult someone without a dictionary or thesaurus?

I'll never convince you Wlad hard ons who apparently love robots and NOT seeing championship fights. In your minds, the reign was fantastic. Try to look up moronic next time in your little books next to your computer.

You are really dense. I mean chopping block dense. Your come back to my argument has descended to the point of personal attacks on my utilization of materials that verify or accentuate accuracy. I need no thesaurus to eviscerate your original literally braindead claim that WKlit "is the worst heavy weight champion in history." All I had to do was hold you like roadkill up to the light and let you make my argument for me.

You are wrong. You were wrong from the beginning and you continue to be inaccurate, even given your ludicrously pathetic retreat from your original folly.

I do not love Wlad. I never have even liked Wlad. However, I respect his accomplishments, which include being a great ambassador for the sport globally. He is also an intelligent, articulate person. He has also had a superior reign to the majority of heavy weight champs in history, whether or not his fights were in a time zone that make it convenient for your chopping block assed, pea brained skull to observe live.

You would have been better off just admitting that your original statement was complete pig excrement rather than prove how putrid your position is yourself over and over and over again.

Care to demonstrate for us why Wlad is NOT "the worst heavy weight champion in history" once more? It is amusing observing you shred your own argument repeatedly.

I'm not wrong at all. Far from it. But you're too busy trying to look up different witty words for "shiit" in your books that you don't have time to understand how correct i am. EVERYTHING that i've said here is 100% truth and either you are too dense as a superfan to give it credence or you just have to keep up with your trolling of me so that means you can't agree with me. Maybe it's a combination of both.

Do you know how i know that i'm correct? I'm an avid fan of the sport and I just asked myself to name Wlad's biggest fights and memorable moments. I came up with two losses (Sanders & Fury). Then I thought the Haye win which was basically a women slap fight over a hairbrush. That's what you have for memories from an avid fan of Boxing about the 10 or so years of Wlad's reign as champion.

Oh yeah, he's been a real joy to the sport and entertainment in general. You must also like the old movies in black and white with no sound too. What a joke you are. Your hero's two most memorable fights were losses. Oh yeah, wasn't he the greatest?

100% truth?

1. Wlad is not "the worst heavy weight champ in history."
2. As Saad pointed out, he is not the worst heavy weight champion in his family.
3. He is not the worst lineal heavy weight champion in history according to you.
4. Contrary to your myopic view of boxing and the planet in general, Wlad has actually helped expand the popularity of boxing worldwide.
5. While you blame Wlad for his lack of more memorable opponents, he took on all comers during his reign, and now he is challenging the most dynamic young champion on earth to attempt to regain the title.
6. Wlad has never been my hero.
7. You are as crap at math as you are at expressing yourself.

By no measure is Wlad the worst HW champion in history, with the exception of your pea brained measurement.

[Kalan]

Heard Dillian White in an interview say one of the reasons that Klit wants this fight is that he would be the only HW to beat 3 Olympic gold medalists, just an interesting fact I thought.

But Ali already beat 3 Olympic gold medallists: Frazier, Foreman and Leon Spinks. And Holmes beat 3 too: Ali, L Spinks and Mercer.

You are right, maybe it's 4 then? Or maybe he just wants to equal the record, he'd be in good company if he did.

Leon Spinks was a Light Heavyweight boxer in the Olympics and only had 8 fights -- Only 7 when the cherry-pick beat Ali---the only top Heavy he beat.

Wladimir would be the first to beat 3 Olympic Heavyweight Champions -- however it's extremely unlikely he'll win... Lightning would have to strike.

[Like a Boss]

But Ali already beat 3 Olympic gold medallists: Frazier, Foreman and Leon Spinks. And Holmes beat 3 too: Ali, L Spinks and Mercer.

You are right, maybe it's 4 then? Or maybe he just wants to equal the record, he'd be in good company if he did.

Leon Spinks was a Light Heavyweight boxer in the Olympics and only had 8 fights -- Only 7 when the cherry-pick beat Ali---the only top Heavy he beat.

Wladimir would be the first to beat 3 Olympic Heavyweight Champions -- however it's extremely unlikely he'll win... Lightning would have to strike.

Don't forget Ali won his Olympic gold medal as a light heavyweight.

[caldo2025]

You are really dense. I mean chopping block dense. Your come back to my argument has descended to the point of personal attacks on my utilization of materials that verify or accentuate accuracy. I need no thesaurus to eviscerate your original literally braindead claim that WKlit "is the worst heavy weight champion in history." All I had to do was hold you like roadkill up to the light and let you make my argument for me.

You are wrong. You were wrong from the beginning and you continue to be inaccurate, even given your ludicrously pathetic retreat from your original folly.

I do not love Wlad. I never have even liked Wlad. However, I respect his accomplishments, which include being a great ambassador for the sport globally. He is also an intelligent, articulate person. He has also had a superior reign to the majority of heavy weight champs in history, whether or not his fights were in a time zone that make it convenient for your chopping block assed, pea brained skull to observe live.

You would have been better off just admitting that your original statement was complete pig excrement rather than prove how putrid your position is yourself over and over and over again.

Care to demonstrate for us why Wlad is NOT "the worst heavy weight champion in history" once more? It is amusing observing you shred your own argument repeatedly.

I'm not wrong at all. Far from it. But you're too busy trying to look up different witty words for "shiit" in your books that you don't have time to understand how correct i am. EVERYTHING that i've said here is 100% truth and either you are too dense as a superfan to give it credence or you just have to keep up with your trolling of me so that means you can't agree with me. Maybe it's a combination of both.

Do you know how i know that i'm correct? I'm an avid fan of the sport and I just asked myself to name Wlad's biggest fights and memorable moments. I came up with two losses (Sanders & Fury). Then I thought the Haye win which was basically a women slap fight over a hairbrush. That's what you have for memories from an avid fan of Boxing about the 10 or so years of Wlad's reign as champion.

Oh yeah, he's been a real joy to the sport and entertainment in general. You must also like the old movies in black and white with no sound too. What a joke you are. Your hero's two most memorable fights were losses. Oh yeah, wasn't he the greatest?

100% truth?

1. Wlad is not "the worst heavy weight champ in history."
2. As Saad pointed out, he is not the worst heavy weight champion in his family.
3. He is not the worst lineal heavy weight champion in history according to you.
4. Contrary to your myopic view of boxing and the planet in general, Wlad has actually helped expand the popularity of boxing worldwide.
5. While you blame Wlad for his lack of more memorable opponents, he took on all comers during his reign, and now he is challenging the most dynamic young champion on earth to attempt to regain the title.
6. Wlad has never been my hero.
7. You are as crap at math as you are at expressing yourself.

By no measure is Wlad the worst HW champion in history, with the exception of your pea brained measurement.

7 points of opinion without a fact to back them up, is weak. When the only fact to back you up is that Saad pointed it out well, that just loses you any case when that dope is on your side about something. I feel dumber just having this conversation with you so go find something else to do if you aren't going to deal in facts.

[Tanzio]

I'm not wrong at all. Far from it. But you're too busy trying to look up different witty words for "shiit" in your books that you don't have time to understand how correct i am. EVERYTHING that i've said here is 100% truth and either you are too dense as a superfan to give it credence or you just have to keep up with your trolling of me so that means you can't agree with me. Maybe it's a combination of both.

Do you know how i know that i'm correct? I'm an avid fan of the sport and I just asked myself to name Wlad's biggest fights and memorable moments. I came up with two losses (Sanders & Fury). Then I thought the Haye win which was basically a women slap fight over a hairbrush. That's what you have for memories from an avid fan of Boxing about the 10 or so years of Wlad's reign as champion.

Oh yeah, he's been a real joy to the sport and entertainment in general. You must also like the old movies in black and white with no sound too. What a joke you are. Your hero's two most memorable fights were losses. Oh yeah, wasn't he the greatest?

100% truth?

1. Wlad is not "the worst heavy weight champ in history."
2. As Saad pointed out, he is not the worst heavy weight champion in his family.
3. He is not the worst lineal heavy weight champion in history according to you.
4. Contrary to your myopic view of boxing and the planet in general, Wlad has actually helped expand the popularity of boxing worldwide.
5. While you blame Wlad for his lack of more memorable opponents, he took on all comers during his reign, and now he is challenging the most dynamic young champion on earth to attempt to regain the title.
6. Wlad has never been my hero.
7. You are as crap at math as you are at expressing yourself.

By no measure is Wlad the worst HW champion in history, with the exception of your pea brained measurement.

7 points of opinion without a fact to back them up, is weak. When the only fact to back you up is that Saad pointed it out well, that just loses you any case when that dope is on your side about something. I feel dumber just having this conversation with you so go find something else to do if you aren't going to deal in facts.

You really need to actually bother to crack a dictionary and inform yourself of what the definition of "fact" is, caldo2dumb2know. You have not cited one fact in the entirety of this thread that I can remember. If you did it was purely by accident.

What fact have you backed up your original claim that Wlad "is the worst heavy weight champion in history" with? You have done the exact opposite. You have repeatedly provided clear evidence that proves your claim is false.

It is hard to get dumber than your one pea brain, caldoh, but you are trying to do that hard work.

Thank you for providing solid evidence that Wlad is not "the worst heavy weight champion in history" and that you are the most dense knob on this forum.

[Tanzio]

Joshua. Because Wlad is the worst heavyweight champion in history.

[Tanzio]

Wlad is by far the worst lineal heavyweight champion of the world. Not by talent level but by the way he chose defend the title. For years, most couldn't even tune it to his fights because they weren't on tv. Yeah, way to bolster the sport Wlad. Good riddance. I hope he gets his jaw knocked off.

[Tanzio]

Tanzio, let's see if you could answer this question honestly. Here's the list of lineal Heavyweight champions since 1937. Not including Hasim Rahman and Shannon Briggs flukish title wins (Fury doesn't count either), which heavyweight had the worst reign as champion. By "WORST", i'm not talking about talent, i'm talking about creating fan interest, inspiring and promoting the sport to the world.

[Tanzio]

Logical criticism here unlike Tanzio's typical insult laden responses with help from his thesaurus. Perhaps I didn't do a good job explaining the point I was trying to make.

Everyone will agree that being THE heavyweight champion of the world is the most important position in the sport. It transcends the sport into mainstream and the position not only carries a lot of clout but responsibility in my opinion. History shows us that there's a direct relationship between boxing's success and interest in the heavyweight division. We've been fortunate to have a WW infusion of greatness to bridge the gap but for the most part, boxing has been losing interest from fans every year Wlad was "in office" sort of speak.

I'm talking about heavyweight champions that had a reign and were champions over the division for significant amount of time. Rahman and Briggs didn't reign long enough to put their mark on the division so excluding them was more of a service to them than a disservice. I didn't include Buster Douglas with them just because no one did more for the sport in such little time. He turned the sport on it's ears.

I'm not sure how it is where you come from but growing up in the US, the two greatest things you could be in life were 1. President of the United States 2. Heavyweight Champion of the World.

Wlad may have made a great deal of money fighting in Germany for years but that is not what i'm referring to. In the last 5 years, you could poll schoolchildren in the US and Britain and ask them if they knew who the HW Champion of the World was and you'd be lucky to find 10% knew who Wlad was. A Heavyweight Champion of the World's fights should ALWAYS be on tv for the world to see.

Look at every champion before him and i'll guarantee you that every single title defense was televised most places. Not ONE would be missed. I can't tell you how many of Wlad's defenses weren't televised here in the States but it was a lot. Wlad failed to inspire, entertain and promote the sport and the proof is in the pudding. Numbers don't lie. Interest has never been lower than Wlad's reign at the top.

Numbers side with me and my point here. If you impartially look at the facts, it's impossible for anyone to win this argument and prove that i'm wrong. Wlad=Horrible for Boxing

What "numbers," caldumb? What "facts?"

[Tanzio]

I'm not wrong at all. Far from it. But you're too busy trying to look up different witty words for "shiit" in your books that you don't have time to understand how correct i am. EVERYTHING that i've said here is 100% truth and either you are too dense as a superfan to give it credence or you just have to keep up with your trolling of me so that means you can't agree with me. Maybe it's a combination of both.

Do you know how i know that i'm correct? I'm an avid fan of the sport and I just asked myself to name Wlad's biggest fights and memorable moments. I came up with two losses (Sanders & Fury). Then I thought the Haye win which was basically a women slap fight over a hairbrush. That's what you have for memories from an avid fan of Boxing about the 10 or so years of Wlad's reign as champion.

Oh yeah, he's been a real joy to the sport and entertainment in general. You must also like the old movies in black and white with no sound too. What a joke you are. Your hero's two most memorable fights were losses. Oh yeah, wasn't he the greatest?

care to point out your fact based argument, caldom?

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

You are right, maybe it's 4 then? Or maybe he just wants to equal the record, he'd be in good company if he did.

Leon Spinks was a Light Heavyweight boxer in the Olympics and only had 8 fights -- Only 7 when the cherry-pick beat Ali---the only top Heavy he beat.

Wladimir would be the first to beat 3 Olympic Heavyweight Champions -- however it's extremely unlikely he'll win... Lightning would have to strike.

Don't forget Ali won his Olympic gold medal as a light heavyweight.

Both ValMar and Tony1244 have already pointed this out on pg3 FYI.

[Horse]

In other words, you'll never give Wladimir Klitschko any credit no matter what because you don't like him.

At age 41, Wlad's beating a prime former Olympic Gold medalist, a huge puncher and the best HW of today would be a great win.

Only the very worst of the Klitschko haters will refuse to give him deserved credit.

I don't dislike Klitschko, but Joshua is unproven and it wouldn't be a great win, unless Joshua proves himself later.

[Kalan]

Joshua is proven in spades... He's won 3 Heavyweight Championship fights by KO while taking a very minimum number of punches.. If he were floored by a 185-pound weakling like Henry Cooper I'd say he'd never make it in a million years.. Or if he were punched around the ring by somebody with 7 fights like the tyro Leon Spinks, how good could he be? ... He's taking on one of the ATG Heavyweights and he's going to crush him.. I don't see Ali lasting 5 rounds with Joshua because he lacked the defense, power, size, strength, conditioning, and overall skills.

[SportsRatings]

I'm rooting for Joshua...the division was lifeless while Klitschko reigned and if he wins it delays the passing of the torch to the next batch of contenders and champs. Joshua is the next great champ I think, win or lose. There are a number of great fights to make if he wins, but if Klitschko wins then you have the Fury rematch (boring as hell) to look forward to as another title fight. Klitschko is an all-time great, no question, but it's time he move on. 10 years on top was enough, especially with TWO of them dividing up and watering down the title shots.

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Joshua is proven in spades... He's won 3 Heavyweight Championship fights by KO while taking a very minimum number of punches.. If he were floored by a 185-pound weakling like Henry Cooper I'd say he'd never make it in a million years.. Or if he were punched around the ring by somebody with 7 fights like the tyro Leon Spinks, how good could he be? ... He's taking on one of the ATG Heavyweights and he's going to crush him.. I don't see Ali lasting 5 rounds with Joshua because he lacked the defense, power, size, strength, conditioning, and overall skills.

What has Muhammad Ali got to do with this thread?

I get the feeling that every time you take a dump, you compare it to Muhammad Ali.

[ValMar]

Joshua is proven in spades... He's won 3 Heavyweight Championship fights by KO while taking a very minimum number of punches.. If he were floored by a 185-pound weakling like Henry Cooper I'd say he'd never make it in a million years.. Or if he were punched around the ring by somebody with 7 fights like the tyro Leon Spinks, how good could he be? ... He's taking on one of the ATG Heavyweights and he's going to crush him.. I don't see Ali lasting 5 rounds with Joshua because he lacked the defense, power, size, strength, conditioning, and overall skills.

What has Muhammad Ali got to do with this thread?

I get the feeling that every time you take a dump, you compare it to Muhammad Ali.

Ali was the greatest one, so, every HW champion will be compared to him.....This is quite acceptable for me....

Messi, Ronaldo and Ibrahimović have been compared to Pele, it is expected....

[candyslim]

I have very high hopes for Anthony Joshua. I know there is massive hype around him if hype is the right word (is there such a thing as deserved hype or can it not be hype if it is deserved? ... serious question) but I agree with Kalan in that Joshua has crushed his opponents in title fights and hardly broken sweat or taken a punch. His potential is enormous but that's what it is - potential.

Talk of him being better than Ali at this stage of his career however, is absolute bollocks, although a comparison of the two at the same stage of their careers is quite another matter. I would take exception to the dismissal of Cooper as a weakling though. He was a good technician and he had dynamite in that left hook. If he caught you right, and boy did he catch Ali right, then most fighters are going to be in trouble. Ali should have been knocked out that night were it not for some intelligent shenanigans in the Ali corner, but that does not alter my opinion of Ali as probably the greatest heavyweight of all time. Cooper was however too small and prone to cuts to make a real impact at top level.

Will Joshua go on to deserve comparison with champions of such stature? I sincerely hope so but there is a long road to travel before then and it's full of pot-holes.

[hoagylt]

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" I remember around 1970-80 even liberals wanted a great white hope. " WTF is that supposed to mean ? Were you even around in the 70s ? Or just talking out of your a-s ?

[Freedom2013]

Klitschko turns 41 on Saturday.