GOLOVKIN CLEARLY PAST HIS PEAK...

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Post by PsychoGamerTwo »

I don't think he's getting any better, so he's definitely reached his peak now. However, i don't think he's on the slide already, as Jacobs is a damn good fighter, which came in as a LHW. (would probably be the #1 at 160 if GGG wasn't around)
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NO. GGG is the same.

Jacobs is better than we all thought.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:NO. GGG is the same.

Jacobs is better than we all thought.
I agree that Jacobs is considerably better than the vast majority thought, but I do think that 3G is beginning to show his age.
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Tanzio wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:NO. GGG is the same.

Jacobs is better than we all thought.
I agree that Jacobs is considerably better than the vast majority thought, but I do think that 3G is beginning to show his age.
I kept saying (for years now) that GGG was being matched wrong by his promoters.
He's been given either good action fighters or no-hopers.
He needed a Chilemba type fight.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:NO. GGG is the same.

Jacobs is better than we all thought.
I agree that Jacobs is considerably better than the vast majority thought, but I do think that 3G is beginning to show his age.
I kept saying (for years now) that GGG was being matched wrong by his promoters.
He's been given either good action fighters or no-hopers.
He needed a Chilemba type fight.
I cannot disagree, but maybe it was a pragmatic decision to keep him away from the Lara's of the world, in hindsight.
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Wales wrote:GGG always walks into ring around 172. If coming in at 180 was such a big advantage don't you think GGGvteam would bring him in at that too ?

Jacobs always fights around 178-180.

Regardless of all that

My only point was "I don't think weight influenced the fight "

I didn't see what advantage , over the course of the fight, the extra weight made. That's all. Someone said Jacobs came in at 180... and?
It might improve his ability to absorb a punch.
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Tanzio wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Tanzio wrote: I agree that Jacobs is considerably better than the vast majority thought, but I do think that 3G is beginning to show his age.
I kept saying (for years now) that GGG was being matched wrong by his promoters.
He's been given either good action fighters or no-hopers.
He needed a Chilemba type fight.
I cannot disagree, but maybe it was a pragmatic decision to keep him away from the Lara's of the world, in hindsight.
I don't think Lara is the best example...He is not the same weight division...
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Wales wrote:He's 35 in couple weeks. He's had 487 fights. And last night he looked it.

I can't accept at 35 and after 487 contests he's in his prime. Sad thing is im not sure we ever really saw him tested when he was
Exactly. No one peaks physically at 35. 25, maybe 30.
That said ggg is still round abouts his prime, and he never faced such a good boxer before. So it should make for some pretty good fights for the next couple of years.
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No, GGG fought a big-skilled and strong opponent. This version of Jacobs beats Canelo, CEJ and Saunders.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:NO. GGG is the same.

Jacobs is better than we all thought.
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GGG has set the bar so high that anything less that complete dominance has people looking at his age and suggesting he is on the slide.

Past his peak? Or did he just have a tough fight and deliver a below par performance?

We won't know the definitive answer to that question until at least his next fight.
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Like a Boss wrote:GGG has set the bar so high that anything less that complete dominance has people looking at his age and suggesting he is on the slide.

Past his peak? Or did he just have a tough fight and deliver a below par performance?

We won't know the definitive answer to that question until at least his next fight.

Its pretty common to find fault with someone that has been dominant like GGG has. The KO streak ended so he is suddenly past it? At his age of course it is possible, but think he is just fine. Jacobs evidently was well prepared, so credit to him and his team.
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RoyRJ wrote:He's done! Mayweather with 40 years old CAN beat him, canelo can beat him, his power is limited to 6 rounds.

Jacabs won, i didn't believe he could, but he did.
An american fighter was robbed in his city, hahaha, when we gonna see that again?
Golovkin was a clear winner in a close fight against an outstanding challenger who's a terrific boxer and puncher... GGG scored the only knockdown and landed better, harder, and more numerous punches while forcing Jacobs to clinch many times.. Looking over the Middleweight Title Defense records of Robinson, Monzon, and Hagler, I don't see any Middleweight challengers they faced who had the combination of size, strength, height, weight, reach, boxing and punching ablility, conditioning, and resistance to punishment that Jacobs displayed last night.

Having said that, GGG looked extremely tight and tense and not like Triple-G usually looks... He loosened up a bit following the knockdown thinking "OK, this is going to be like all the other challengers and I'm going to get him out eventually" so he relaxed and started connecting with a series of really nice jabs and follow up shots... However, the next round he went right back into the super tight and tense mode and never shook it... Jacobs is a dangerous puncher and threw punches from all angles. He's an excellent boxer and was obviously bigger, taller, and stronger than GGG.

I scored the fight 115-112 GGG... It was closer than the Kovalev-Ward fight that Sergei won at least 116-111. Kovalev's jab would give GGG problems, but I think Golovkin would eventually get close and prevail with his inside game like he did with Jacobs. Were GGG allowed to weigh above 170 I think this fight would have been totally different.. Golovkin looked slightly drained and Jacobs looked fresh as a daisy all night. But I don't think it was a case of being 35. GGG should be good for a few more years.
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Badhusker wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:GGG has set the bar so high that anything less that complete dominance has people looking at his age and suggesting he is on the slide.

Past his peak? Or did he just have a tough fight and deliver a below par performance?

We won't know the definitive answer to that question until at least his next fight.

Its pretty common to find fault with someone that has been dominant like GGG has. The KO streak ended so he is suddenly past it? At his age of course it is possible, but think he is just fine. Jacobs evidently was well prepared, so credit to him and his team.
Jacobs was big, strong, well prepared and fought a clever fight. GGG made hard work of it, but prevailed and moved to 37-0.

Even the very best in the history of the sport had their struggles. I can't think of a single fighter who just absolutely blitzed everyone they ever fought.
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Like a Boss wrote:
Badhusker wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:GGG has set the bar so high that anything less that complete dominance has people looking at his age and suggesting he is on the slide.

Past his peak? Or did he just have a tough fight and deliver a below par performance?

We won't know the definitive answer to that question until at least his next fight.

Its pretty common to find fault with someone that has been dominant like GGG has. The KO streak ended so he is suddenly past it? At his age of course it is possible, but think he is just fine. Jacobs evidently was well prepared, so credit to him and his team.
Jacobs was big, strong, well prepared and fought a clever fight. GGG made hard work of it, but prevailed and moved to 37-0.

Even the very best in the history of the sport had their struggles. I can't think of a single fighter who just absolutely blitzed everyone they ever fought.
He must be an ATG if people criticize him for a win which wasn't dominant. :lol:
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boxing_rocks wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
Badhusker wrote:

Its pretty common to find fault with someone that has been dominant like GGG has. The KO streak ended so he is suddenly past it? At his age of course it is possible, but think he is just fine. Jacobs evidently was well prepared, so credit to him and his team.
Jacobs was big, strong, well prepared and fought a clever fight. GGG made hard work of it, but prevailed and moved to 37-0.

Even the very best in the history of the sport had their struggles. I can't think of a single fighter who just absolutely blitzed everyone they ever fought.
He must be an ATG if people criticize him for a win which wasn't dominant. :lol:
Like many GGG opponents before him, Jacobs is suddenly not that good because GGG beat him :lol:
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Tanzio wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Tanzio wrote: I agree that Jacobs is considerably better than the vast majority thought, but I do think that 3G is beginning to show his age.
I kept saying (for years now) that GGG was being matched wrong by his promoters.
He's been given either good action fighters or no-hopers.
He needed a Chilemba type fight.
I cannot disagree, but maybe it was a pragmatic decision to keep him away from the Lara's of the world, in hindsight.
Monroe is damn close to a chilemba.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I kept saying (for years now) that GGG was being matched wrong by his promoters.
He's been given either good action fighters or no-hopers.
He needed a Chilemba type fight.
I cannot disagree, but maybe it was a pragmatic decision to keep him away from the Lara's of the world, in hindsight.
Monroe is damn close to a chilemba.
Disagree. Chilemba is a legit puzzle.
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Then there hasn't been one at middle for him to fight.
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IT wrote:Canelo should wait another year/18 months to fight him. He's on the slide now, who knows what he'll be like in 12/18 months.
Fight in his prime plz.
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GOLOVKIN won the fight by at least 5 points. Not sure if he past his peak. Tonight he didnt take risks. But he surely is not as dominant as everybody thougth he was.
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glad to see boxing fans remain some of the most fickle sports fans.
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I did notice that GGG wasn't throwing so much when he was in range. Also how much clinching there was when surprisingly there isn't so much in his fights.

I haven't watched a 2nd time yet but i wonder if because fighters panic when GGG is bearing down on them (think Macklin for the clearest example) they then make mistakes and then G takes advantage of those mistakes and he has got used to this approach. So that's why he appeared to be waiting because Jacobs wasn't crumbling and making himself vunerable.

Golovkin's opponents backpeddle because they don't want him get to mid range and if they're staying out of mid range they are never close enough to clinch.

Jacobs did a great job and because he wasn't blown out as so many expected people are thinking that GGG is on the slide to explain it. GGG plateaued a while ago and just the fact he is 35 must mean he is past his physical prime it just took the 2nd best middleweight for it to turn it from another stoppage defeat to a close points loss.
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From the outset you could see that Golovkin was more reserved than usual, he wasn't prepared to take any risks against DJ, who looked like a supermiddleweight in comparison to GGG. This may have had somthing to do with having one eye on the Canelo fight. Golovkin did what he had to do and nicked the last couple of rounds which won him the fight in my opinion.
Credit to DJ though maybe we will see a rematch when GGG has fought BJS and Canelo.
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Golovkin had an off night , still out landed and out worked Jacobs, who fought a very good fight, Ggg still beats canelo
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