ggg -jacobs compubox stats

Kalan
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Golovkin was a clear winner in a close fight against an outstanding challenger who's a terrific boxer and puncher... GGG scored the only knockdown and landed better, harder, and more numerous punches while forcing Jacobs to clinch many times.. Looking over the Middleweight Title Defense records of Robinson, Monzon, and Hagler, I don't see any Middleweight challengers they faced who had the combination of size, strength, height, weight, reach, boxing and punching ablility, conditioning, and resistance to punishment that Jacobs displayed last night.

Having said that, GGG looked extremely tight and tense and not like Triple-G usually looks... He loosened up a bit following the knockdown thinking "OK, this is going to be like all the other challengers and I'm going to get him out eventually" so he relaxed and started connecting with a series of really nice jabs and follow up shots... However, the next round he went right back into the super tight and tense mode and never shook it... Jacobs is a dangerous puncher and threw punches from all angles. He's an excellent boxer and was obviously bigger, taller, and stronger than GGG.

I scored the fight 115-112 GGG... It was closer than the Kovalev-Ward fight that Sergei won at least 116-111. Kovalev's jab would give GGG problems, but I think Golovkin would eventually get close and prevail with his inside game like he did with Jacobs. Were GGG allowed to weigh above 170 I think this fight would have been totally different.. Golovkin looked slightly drained and Jacobs looked fresh as a daisy all night. But I don't think it was a case of being 35. GGG should be good for a few more years.
Blodhemn wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:When other fighters jab their way to victory, this board screams about power shots.
When GGG jabs his way to victory. :yay: :yay: :yay:
A jab, in my mind, is only worth something, points wise, if it's used as a means to break down an opponent and is such thrown with some authority. If it's used as a "stay away from me" tactic or to obfuscate an oncoming power shot, then the jab itself shouldn't be scoring points save for what comes after it.
GGG has an effective jab that breaks opponents down. Jabs can knock you out, but they rarely do. It's not too unusual for a jab to score a knockdown. Holmes knocked Ocasio down with a jab. Leonard knocked Benitez down with a jab. Cotto knocked Clottey down with a jab. Those were all strong, clean knockdowns.. The jab is a real weapon and it can mess you up and punish you as much as a power punch..

Some people say why count punches at all??? Fact is, 1 smashing KO shot can cause more damage than 300 power punches that landed to little or no effect. So why not dispense with counting punches and just attempt to construe the damage each boxer did to his opponent during that round. This is the Max Kellerman “who would I rather have been in that round?” system. That would make judging even more subjective than it is with the 10-point must criteria of: 1. clean effective punches, 2. effective aggressiveness, 3. defense, and 4. ring generalship approach that judges are supposed to follow.

Right now, if both boxers landed the same number of punches to the same effect... were equally aggressive... and effectively defended incoming punches at the exact same ratio... you ask “who controlled the ring space, the pace, the distance, and imposed their style of boxing on the other combatant more during that round?” ... That’s pretty open to interpretation too. Close fights will always be hard to score.
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Fvk compusux.
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
ldlamb wrote:I don't think they are wrong.......just not all that important. This isn't amateur boxing. It's about more than just adding up the landed punches.
Exacly this boss guy only dribbling because of the Green v Mundine and compubox
Still moping over Mundine's loss to Green I see.

The rest of the world has moved on. Time you did too.
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Kalan wrote:GGG has an effective jab that breaks opponents down. Jabs can knock you out, but they rarely do. It's not too unusual for a jab to score a knockdown. Holmes knocked Ocasio down with a jab. Leonard knocked Benitez down with a jab. Cotto knocked Clottey down with a jab. Those were all strong, clean knockdowns.. The jab is a real weapon and it can mess you up and punish you as much as a power punch..
Yeah, GGG's jab is good. Some fights he just stops using it. Kovalev's jab has caused several knockdowns also. That kind of jab has been scarce in recent years but it's good to see some doing it.
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The jab may be the most important punch in boxing. Its akin to the rhythm section in music. You can build a lot on top of a good jab, and a lot of the greats did exactly that.

As for scoring, I think CompuBox is a lot more accurate than the current judging system. I mean if one fighter shades 6 rounds then he's virtually won barring getting KO'd. Even if he takes a pasting in three or four later rounds, he can just get on his bike and cruise home.

Technology is long overdue in boxing. Just like in cricket the fans won't put up with glaring human errors (not to mention corruption) spoiling an important sporting occasion.

Maybe even bring back live scoring on TV/ ringside as in Ali v Shavers, so the fighters and their corners are not fighting blind.

I had GGG winning but as someone (Bob Arum?) said of Hagler v Leonard, it was 'too close to bitch'. It could easy have been a draw.

There is a point where one fighters courage and valour may mean that a draw is the best and correct result. But how do you measure these things?
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Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
ldlamb wrote:I don't think they are wrong.......just not all that important. This isn't amateur boxing. It's about more than just adding up the landed punches.
Exacly this boss guy only dribbling because of the Green v Mundine and compubox
Still moping over Mundine's loss to Green I see.

The rest of the world has moved on. Time you did too.

Your the guy who won't move on mate dribble dribble :OhYes:
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Exacly this boss guy only dribbling because of the Green v Mundine and compubox
Still moping over Mundine's loss to Green I see.

The rest of the world has moved on. Time you did too.

Your the guy who won't move on mate dribble dribble :OhYes:
You bought it up in this thread :doh:

He lost. Stop bringing it up. Get over it :roll:
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Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
Still moping over Mundine's loss to Green I see.

The rest of the world has moved on. Time you did too.

Your the guy who won't move on mate dribble dribble :OhYes:
You bought it up in this thread :doh:

He lost. Stop bringing it up. Get over it :roll:

:clap: :-P
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Your the guy who won't move on mate dribble dribble :OhYes:
You bought it up in this thread :doh:

He lost. Stop bringing it up. Get over it :roll:

:clap: :-P
:doh:
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Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
You bought it up in this thread :doh:

He lost. Stop bringing it up. Get over it :roll:

:clap: :-P
:doh:

Night Night mate you must be getting tired old fella :OhYes:
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CompuBox can be variable - of course it's never 100% accurate, but in this case the numbers look about right to me. In the case of the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight they were clearly off - especially for round 3. If they want to improve it, they need at least three people pressing the buttons for each fighter, kind of like they do in amateur boxing - unless 2 of 3 press the button within a set time period, the punch isn't counted.
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Like a Boss wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

:clap: :-P
:doh:

Night Night mate you must be getting tired old fella :OhYes:
:doh:
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Surprised by the amount of punches thrown, there were a lot thrown by Jacobs but many missed or werent scoring.
GGG was much more precise.
Shouldnt be any debate re outcome of bout
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Post by SaadOffTheDeck »

jezzamundo wrote:CompuBox can be variable - of course it's never 100% accurate, but in this case the numbers look about right to me. In the case of the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight they were clearly off - especially for round 3. If they want to improve it, they need at least three people pressing the buttons for each fighter, kind of like they do in amateur boxing - unless 2 of 3 press the button within a set time period, the punch isn't counted.
The amatuer scoring using the compubox system was histories worst. You'd get better cards from bribed judges.
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