GOLOVKIN - NOW IN CONTEXT!

[girv]

This thread has been a good read with plenty knowledgeable opinions.

My own view is that Golovkin needs to fight Saunders next followed by Canelo straight after if he wants to have all the sanctioning belts plus the ring belt. If he does that and wins both then history will probably view him favourably in the ATG middleweight standings. I think he would win both of these fights if they were to happen this year.

I've watched his fights since they have been televised here and he has definitely taken more punches lately, some of which may be down to an increasing level of quality of opponent and some of which may be down to his increasing age and the fact that he relies on his granite chin over a tight defense at times.

He is far from done however he turns 35 next month and time is marching on, he needs to get these legacy fights made now.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Things were always better in the old days but today will be the old days in 30 years time so I say just enjoy a great champion who genuinely wants to fight the best opponents out there while he's still in his pomp

[Deserter]

This thread has been a good read with plenty knowledgeable opinions.

My own view is that Golovkin needs to fight Saunders next followed by Canelo straight after if he wants to have all the sanctioning belts plus the ring belt. If he does that and wins both then history will probably view him favourably in the ATG middleweight standings. I think he would win both of these fights if they were to happen this year.

I've watched his fights since they have been televised here and he has definitely taken more punches lately, some of which may be down to an increasing level of quality of opponent and some of which may be down to his increasing age and the fact that he relies on his granite chin over a tight defense at times.

He is far from done however he turns 35 next month and time is marching on, he needs to get these legacy fights made now.

Agree with this but would also throw the Jacobs rematch in there. Having said that, wouldn't be surprised if Jacobs moved up to Super Middle given his size on Saturday and seeing how he performs there would give us some much-needed context regarding GGG's performance.

[Bricks]

For years GGG has been dismembering the great middleweights of the past in online discussions because he could bash second-raters and it followed that he would be able to perform to the same standard against the monsters of yore.

It turns out he needs judges to help him overcome Daniel Jacobs.

Daniel Jacobs!

Who ever could have guessed that boxing is a sport of levels and a tough guy with a big punch might thrive in an era of low talent and multiple belts, but ultimately falter when challenged and be proven to fall short in all the essential catagories of greatness? I would have thought everybody but apparently not.

I wonder if people may now exercise some caution in their raging fandom and wait for a fighter to be tested at top level before picking him over everyone in his division in history? Probably not.

Great post have been thinking this for years in regards to GGG....it's the lazy dumb sheep who repeat this crap...GGG is a great fighter in a awful mediocre mw era of this decade....the only other half decent fighter was an aged Martinez and he was levels below GGG.

GGG is a classy guy and humble as well as a phenomenal fighter in this era.but let's be real a 1990 mccallum beats him,much less a Hopkins and toney..much less a Hagler or srr.

[crusader]

At middleweight Toney was lucky to beat Dave Tiberi. It's not at all a foregone conclusion that he wouldve beaten GGG, and the list of great fighters who struggled with opponents on or below Jacobs' level is vast.

Bricks, didnt you also assure us that Brook was going to beat GGG? I guess Golovkin exceeded your expectations!

[Taansend]

For years GGG has been dismembering the great middleweights of the past in online discussions because he could bash second-raters and it followed that he would be able to perform to the same standard against the monsters of yore.

It turns out he needs judges to help him overcome Daniel Jacobs.

Daniel Jacobs!

Who ever could have guessed that boxing is a sport of levels and a tough guy with a big punch might thrive in an era of low talent and multiple belts, but ultimately falter when challenged and be proven to fall short in all the essential catagories of greatness? I would have thought everybody but apparently not.

I wonder if people may now exercise some caution in their raging fandom and wait for a fighter to be tested at top level before picking him over everyone in his division in history? Probably not.

I agree that people need to be a little more cautious in their assessment of contemporary boxers. But let's not forget that Jacobs wasn't even a middleweight by the weigh-in rules...

And you could have posted the exact same email about Hagler the morning after the Duran fight. And as great as Duran was he would not have beaten Jacobs.

Who disputed the Hagler/Duran verdict, Ezzard? Also, Duran had more genius in his little finger than Jacobs!

Most considered Hagler Duran even after 13 rounds.

And Duran was a Lightweight who had moved up whereas Jacobs was bigger than GGG.

I'm not in either camp of GGG is the greatest or not. I just watch fights & enjoy them. But I just wanted to point these 'facts' out. Duran was a one off. He lost to Laing, among others. He was brilliant & crazy.

None of this is really relevant. The sport is so different today because of multiple weights & six or so champions at each weight that comparing champions from now to even 1985 is crazy.

And I remember when old school boys in 1985 were complaining about how weak it was then compared to the Good Old Days

I enjoy GGG. I don't have him up there with the top five but he does need a defining win & he missed the chance the other day.

[Horse]

Once again, it's acceptable for ATGs of the past to lose fights, but GGG sneaks a narrow UD win and his legacy is cast in massive doubt.

What legacy?

Golovkin's record is weak on names, so he needs to beat the decent opponents that he does fight very clearly to get any sort of ATG type of reputation.

Golovkin's reputation has deservedly taken a massive hit after that performance.

Golovkin was clearly a very overrated fighter by a lot of people.

[Finn]

It's hard to say if this performance puts in context. He was fighting another world champion and a quality operator at that, throw the weight advantage into the mix and that's not an easy opponent.

Personally I've said for ages (and yes numerous times on this site) that GGG is a top draw middle weight but he is being drastically over rated. He could not move up a weight and dominate the SMW division like people were suggesting DeGale now, Froch (when they mentioned him as an opponent) Jack, Groves would have all been favourites against him from my perspective.

I don't think he would have beaten guys like Hopkins, Toney, RJJ or even Eubank in their primes at MW imo but that doesn't mean he's crap. That's a list of some spectacular fighters he would have been competitive against.

Who in the middle weight can beat him? No one would be my guess.

Do you seriously make DeGale, Jack & Groves favourites to beat Golovkin? I don't see that at all, tbh.

yeah I just don't think he is big enough for SMW, he would be like Arthur Abraham imo.

[forcefraser]

Still think Hagler v GGG is a scrap that I would love to have seen.

Hagler would break him down but I dont think he'd stop him. GGG has a chin on him.

[Controversial]

The guy is 35 next week and he's had about 500 fights, He's bound to be on the slide a bit.

And he was fighting someone probably 20lbs heavier on fight night.

Do you think it was as much as that? GGG was a touch under 170lbs on fight night, I doubt Jacobs was 190lbs

[samwbr]

The guy is 35 next week and he's had about 500 fights, He's bound to be on the slide a bit.

And he was fighting someone probably 20lbs heavier on fight night.

Do you think it was as much as that? GGG was a touch under 170lbs on fight night, I doubt Jacobs was 190lbs

Jacobs admitted to 176 so he was probably a bit over 180 . He looked the much bigger man

[Controversial]

And he was fighting someone probably 20lbs heavier on fight night.

Do you think it was as much as that? GGG was a touch under 170lbs on fight night, I doubt Jacobs was 190lbs

Jacobs admitted to 176 so he was probably a bit over 180 . He looked the much bigger man

Sure he was bigger, I just doubt he was 190lbs (13 stone 6lbs)

[samwbr]

Do you think it was as much as that? GGG was a touch under 170lbs on fight night, I doubt Jacobs was 190lbs

Jacobs admitted to 176 so he was probably a bit over 180 . He looked the much bigger man

Sure he was bigger, I just doubt he was 190lbs (13 stone 6lbs)

I agree, he made 160 the day before so putting on 30lbs seems too much.

[Asterix]

Jacobs admitted to 176 so he was probably a bit over 180 . He looked the much bigger man

Sure he was bigger, I just doubt he was 190lbs (13 stone 6lbs)

I agree, he made 160 the day before so putting on 30lbs seems too much.

That's unheard of, I think.

[Autobarn]

Before last weekend people were raving about what Golovkin did to both Lemieux and Stevens, who fought that sensational recent slugging match...

Now suddenly he's overrated and received a lucky decision, yawn...

No doubt another drastic swing of opinion if he's impressive in the next fight...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

At middleweight Toney was lucky to beat Dave Tiberi. It's not at all a foregone conclusion that he wouldve beaten GGG, and the list of great fighters who struggled with opponents on or below Jacobs' level is vast.

Bricks, didnt you also assure us that Brook was going to beat GGG? I guess Golovkin exceeded your expectations!

Toney was lucky to beat Reggie Johnson, Tiberi flat out kicked his ass.

[Horse]

Before last weekend people were raving about what Golovkin did to both Lemieux and Stevens, who fought that sensational recent slugging match...

Now suddenly he's overrated and received a lucky decision, yawn...

No doubt another drastic swing of opinion if he's impressive in the next fight...

I wasn't one of the people bigging him up beforehand.

My opinion on him has barely changed.

I've been calling him overrated for years.

[world ranked]

There's was people calling him TBE middleweight, best since Hagler all that and his best win is Daniel Jacobs come on people even if he beats Canelo he still not even close to the best middleweight ever but he is the goods though but to hyped.

[Autobarn]

Think Golovkin's still good but on the slide and that if anyone can back him up it'll be the undoing of him.

Clearly has problems. Jacobs was bigger, creating issues. Brook was smaller, with the welterweight speed and timing - but weirdly retreating to the ropes to begin each round - and Golovkin didn't look happy at all. He's not happy facing super middles, not happy facing welters... he's not looking very athletic.

[samwbr]

He smashed Brook to bits, a bit of success for Brook but that was all, he is a world level fighter so it wasn't a surprise but Golovkin nearly had him out of there in the 1st round.

[samwbr]

Think Golovkin's still good but on the slide and that if anyone can back him up it'll be the undoing of him.

Clearly has problems. Jacobs was bigger, creating issues. Brook was smaller, with the welterweight speed and timing - but weirdly retreating to the ropes to begin each round - and Golovkin didn't look happy at all. He's not happy facing super middles, not happy facing welters... he's not looking very athletic.

Retreated to the ropes because he knew what was coming if he stood centre of the ring. He might have been a bit daft to take the fight but he's not stupid.

[Autobarn]

I could understand the strategy, weather the storm, then take it to a Golovkin the last minute of a round, when he doesn't seem as prepared to take shots...

But Brook was taking damage in the first minute of each round. Making GGG look bad, making Brook look smooth and slick, but taking damage that when it accumulates, ends the fight.

I even think Brook's injury happened around the first minute of round one.

[samwbr]

I could understand the strategy, weather the storm, then take it to a Golovkin the last minute of a round, when he doesn't seem as prepared to take shots...

But Brook was taking damage in the first minute of each round. Making GGG look bad, making Brook look smooth and slick, but taking damage that when it accumulates, ends the fight.

I even think Brook's injury happened around the first minute of round one.

Could well of, he nearly went over.

[Andrew]

He smashed Brook to bits, a bit of success for Brook but that was all, he is a world level fighter so it wasn't a surprise but Golovkin nearly had him out of there in the 1st round.

Exactly.

It is p***es me off big time people praising Brooks performance in that fight and saying he made GGG look poor etc

He got smashed like everyone said he would. Brook may have won 1 round that is it.

People need to rewatch that fight without sky commentary it wasn't even close.

[Oiky]

He smashed Brook to bits, a bit of success for Brook but that was all, he is a world level fighter so it wasn't a surprise but Golovkin nearly had him out of there in the 1st round.

Exactly.

It is p***es me off big time people praising Brooks performance in that fight and saying he made GGG look poor etc

He got smashed like everyone said he would. Brook may have won 1 round that is it.

People need to rewatch that fight without sky commentary it wasn't even close.

Got to be seriously deluded to think brook had any major success