cliff fields and lenny mclean

[ant1]

someone told me i could find cliffys record on hear
can anyone tell me where it is
i was also wondering if anyone knew lennys unlicened record and who he fought

[John]

No, McLean was a so called hard man from London. He fought on the unlicensed circuit agains bums and ex pros paid to take a dive, Johnny Waldron accidentaly knocked him out once with a jab.

[boxingrich]

i dont think he fought all bums he had 3 fights wiv roy pretty boy shaw and winnin 2 of 3 he shows he aint exactly a bum , roy shaw was and is a well known unlicensed fighter he was a great of the underworld so fighting him wudnt make u a bum it wud make u tuff

how do u think lenny got the title of guvnor? its from being the best.

[John]

i dont think he fought all bums he had 3 fights wiv roy pretty boy shaw and winnin 2 of 3 he shows he aint exactly a bum , roy shaw was and is a well known unlicensed fighter he was a great of the underworld so fighting him wudnt make u a bum it wud make u tuff
how do u think lenny got the title of guvnor? its from being the best.

Don't believe the bullshit, Maclean fought bums or in fixed fights, sometimes both. I know people who used to get the opponents for him. The fights were scams to make money from mugs who would bet on them they weren't real fights.

[joneva]

Cliff's record is here:
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=016601
I'm pretty sure this is incomplete.

McLean's record is not on this site, because he never fought a licenced fight. I'm not sure how he got the "Guv'nor" title since he lost to loads of people, including Cliff Field twice.

[boxingrich]

i cant say for definate if he did fix them cos i dont no its just my opinion but i dont see y he got to be named guvnor for nothin so i just think he dint fight bums seen as tho roy shaw aint a bum

[dieselfeet]

Does anyone on this thread understand English?

[HomicideHenry]

Lenny 'Boy' McLean certainly looked the part of an indestructible fighting machine. Which made him excellent for the movies. His portrayal of Barry The Baptist in Lock, Stock and Two Smokin' Barrels is probably one of the most iconic characters of the passed thirty years of cinema. HOWEVER, that being said.... from what I understand of those unlicensed circuit days, it was mostly all hype. They were billed as death matches, but really it was mostly just doormen (bouncers) and old geezers who used to be prizefighters throwing hands, and often times the fights were fixed (rigged) in some way, shape or form.

I seem to recall McLean's cousin allegedly (yes, its true!) got his start in boxing promoting Lenny on these shows, and even he admitted that alot of his fights were fixed. Not that Lenny didn't hit hard, or couldn't throw hands and was a hard hoss to beat in street fights.... but boxing was another business altogether.... What Warren wanted to do was to arrange a showdown with Muhammad Ali, but every time Lenny was moved up (matched tough) he'd get kayoed by the likes of Cliff Fields or Kevin Paddock, etc.... It's interesting that all the guys from back then, even the hardened bareknuckle types like Bartley Gorman were rather impressed with Cliff Fields, but if you asked Richard Dunne about the whole thing he made it his personal mission to show the disparity between unlicensed guys and championship caliber boxers, and he stopped Fields in 4 or 5 rounds.

I am keenly interested in seeing the documentary THE GUV'NOR that came out last year, as well as the upcoming MY NAME IS LENNY which happened to be one of the last films the late John Hurt starred in. Interest in all the old tough guys from the 70's and 80's are really starting to take off, primarily because of the licensed bareknuckle contests going on in England right now, and all the traveller fights on YouTube. It's become something of a big business now, more so than it ever was even in those gritty days when such men as McLean were depicted as being the baddest men on the planet.

[Bricks]

No, McLean was a so called hard man from London. He fought on the unlicensed circuit agains bums and ex pros paid to take a dive, Johnny Waldron accidentaly knocked him out once with a jab.

You sound sceptical I like you. Please do tell more.
You seem to be suggesting Lenny was a lying arsewhole?

I remember someone say lenny would have beaten Muhammed Ali on the tiles...........I think but am not sure.....it was Lenny himself!!

[HomicideHenry]

Lenny once claimed to have had "a thousand fights without a loss"..... obviously he couldn't have meant all fights, just street fights, because he lost to Shaw, Paddock, Fields, Waldron, etc.... I recall him once claiming he knocked out a man known as "Pablo the Gypsy", and Bartley Gorman remarked that it was bullshit because no such man existed, etc. So yes, he was known to outright lie or exaggerate his own abilities quite often.

[cfang]

LM was a really hard man and no mistake. I'm sure he was devastating in street fights with drunks or poorly trained other hard men but in the boxing ring, he wouldn't beat any real pro heavy. Reason being, he wasn't really an athlete and wasn't professionally trained to box. I think in his book he mentions that he didn't train much, just weight training really.

He certainly had the brawn and the ferocious attitude to be a match for all but trained athletes in a fight but agree with what was said about Fields. Dunne beat him easy so can't imagine LM lasting long with Dunne and thats his level as a boxer.

[sweetviolenturge]

Lenny 'Boy' McLean certainly looked the part of an indestructible fighting machine. Which made him excellent for the movies. His portrayal of Barry The Baptist in Lock, Stock and Two Smokin' Barrels is probably one of the most iconic characters of the passed thirty years of cinema. HOWEVER, that being said.... from what I understand of those unlicensed circuit days, it was mostly all hype. They were billed as death matches, but really it was mostly just doormen (bouncers) and old geezers who used to be prizefighters throwing hands, and often times the fights were fixed (rigged) in some way, shape or form.

I seem to recall McLean's cousin allegedly (yes, its true!) got his start in boxing promoting Lenny on these shows, and even he admitted that alot of his fights were fixed. Not that Lenny didn't hit hard, or couldn't throw hands and was a hard hoss to beat in street fights.... but boxing was another business altogether.... What Warren wanted to do was to arrange a showdown with Muhammad Ali, but every time Lenny was moved up (matched tough) he'd get kayoed by the likes of Cliff Fields or Kevin Paddock, etc.... It's interesting that all the guys from back then, even the hardened bareknuckle types like Bartley Gorman were rather impressed with Cliff Fields, but if you asked Richard Dunne about the whole thing he made it his personal mission to show the disparity between unlicensed guys and championship caliber boxers, and he stopped Fields in 4 or 5 rounds.

I am keenly interested in seeing the documentary THE GUV'NOR that came out last year, as well as the upcoming MY NAME IS LENNY which happened to be one of the last films the late John Hurt starred in. Interest in all the old tough guys from the 70's and 80's are really starting to take off, primarily because of the licensed bareknuckle contests going on in England right now, and all the traveller fights on YouTube. It's become something of a big business now, more so than it ever was even in those gritty days when such men as McLean were depicted as being the baddest men on the planet.

HH, I just watched THE GUV'NOR about two weeks ago.
I highly recommend it as it has tons of never before seen footage of McLean. Much of it fight footage & of him in training.

[Controversial]

Lenny 'Boy' McLean certainly looked the part of an indestructible fighting machine. Which made him excellent for the movies. His portrayal of Barry The Baptist in Lock, Stock and Two Smokin' Barrels is probably one of the most iconic characters of the passed thirty years of cinema. HOWEVER, that being said.... from what I understand of those unlicensed circuit days, it was mostly all hype. They were billed as death matches, but really it was mostly just doormen (bouncers) and old geezers who used to be prizefighters throwing hands, and often times the fights were fixed (rigged) in some way, shape or form.

I seem to recall McLean's cousin allegedly (yes, its true!) got his start in boxing promoting Lenny on these shows, and even he admitted that alot of his fights were fixed. Not that Lenny didn't hit hard, or couldn't throw hands and was a hard hoss to beat in street fights.... but boxing was another business altogether.... What Warren wanted to do was to arrange a showdown with Muhammad Ali, but every time Lenny was moved up (matched tough) he'd get kayoed by the likes of Cliff Fields or Kevin Paddock, etc.... It's interesting that all the guys from back then, even the hardened bareknuckle types like Bartley Gorman were rather impressed with Cliff Fields, but if you asked Richard Dunne about the whole thing he made it his personal mission to show the disparity between unlicensed guys and championship caliber boxers, and he stopped Fields in 4 or 5 rounds.

I am keenly interested in seeing the documentary THE GUV'NOR that came out last year, as well as the upcoming MY NAME IS LENNY which happened to be one of the last films the late John Hurt starred in. Interest in all the old tough guys from the 70's and 80's are really starting to take off, primarily because of the licensed bareknuckle contests going on in England right now, and all the traveller fights on YouTube. It's become something of a big business now, more so than it ever was even in those gritty days when such men as McLean were depicted as being the baddest men on the planet.

HH, I just watched THE GUV'NOR about two weeks ago.
I highly recommend it as it has tons of never before seen footage of McLean. Much of it fight footage & of him in training.

I thought it was quite average, his son was behind it all so to say it was one sided is an understatement. McLean was a big strong guy no doubt but theres a big difference between a street fighter and a boxer as several 'tough guys' have found out to their detriment. The Shaw fights are often hailed as a big thing but they often forget to say Shaw was 42 and half the size of Shaw.

[Matt the Master]

Lenny once claimed to have had "a thousand fights without a loss"..... obviously he couldn't have meant all fights, just street fights, because he lost to Shaw, Paddock, Fields, Waldron, etc.... I recall him once claiming he knocked out a man known as "Pablo the Gypsy", and Bartley Gorman remarked that it was bullshit because no such man existed, etc. So yes, he was known to outright lie or exaggerate his own abilities quite often.

Henry have you read the new Bobby Gunn book ?

[Tomasino]

What Warren wanted to do was to arrange a showdown with Muhammad Ali, but every time Lenny was moved up (matched tough) he'd get kayoed by the likes of Cliff Fields or Kevin Paddock, etc....

As someone who quite often drinks with Kevin at the village bar he frequents in Alicante province I can assure you Kevin did NOT stop McLean. I don't know whether Kevin's brother ever fought and stopped McLean but I will ask him next time I am over that way.

These days you are far more likely to get more out of Kev about his beloved Southampton football club, than anything about the fight game, licenced or otherwise.

was Mclean any good oldie?

[HomicideHenry]

Lenny once claimed to have had "a thousand fights without a loss"..... obviously he couldn't have meant all fights, just street fights, because he lost to Shaw, Paddock, Fields, Waldron, etc.... I recall him once claiming he knocked out a man known as "Pablo the Gypsy", and Bartley Gorman remarked that it was bullshit because no such man existed, etc. So yes, he was known to outright lie or exaggerate his own abilities quite often.

Henry have you read the new Bobby Gunn book ?

I have not.

[HomicideHenry]

What Warren wanted to do was to arrange a showdown with Muhammad Ali, but every time Lenny was moved up (matched tough) he'd get kayoed by the likes of Cliff Fields or Kevin Paddock, etc....

As someone who quite often drinks with Kevin at the village bar he frequents in Alicante province I can assure you Kevin did NOT stop McLean. I don't know whether Kevin's brother ever fought and stopped McLean but I will ask him next time I am over that way.

These days you are far more likely to get more out of Kev about his beloved Southampton football club, than anything about the fight game, licenced or otherwise.

Or maybe it was points that McLean lost. Still Paddock was so much smaller than McLean that it didn't look good.

[Tomasino]

As someone who quite often drinks with Kevin at the village bar he frequents in Alicante province I can assure you Kevin did NOT stop McLean. I don't know whether Kevin's brother ever fought and stopped McLean but I will ask him next time I am over that way.

These days you are far more likely to get more out of Kev about his beloved Southampton football club, than anything about the fight game, licenced or otherwise.

was Mclean any good oldie?

I'd say it was a matter of opinion Tommo. There are a few guys I know who didn't like him because he was a bully, who liked hitting drunk teenagers when he was a doorman. Other guys say he was tough as old boots and hard to beat.

Thank you sir, I have heard mixed opinions also, half my family are from Dagenham and Dartford areas. He must have had a bit about him just to survive with his reputation.

[Matt the Master]

Lenny once claimed to have had "a thousand fights without a loss"..... obviously he couldn't have meant all fights, just street fights, because he lost to Shaw, Paddock, Fields, Waldron, etc.... I recall him once claiming he knocked out a man known as "Pablo the Gypsy", and Bartley Gorman remarked that it was bullshit because no such man existed, etc. So yes, he was known to outright lie or exaggerate his own abilities quite often.

Henry have you read the new Bobby Gunn book ?

I have not.

Don't worry Rufus you haven't missed much, it documents his entire fighting career..... It's pants