Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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ValMar wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote: You can't cherry pick guys in the top 3, especially if they are the former #1 in the division. Yeah, I saw that fight. It was more that Mikey was just that great than Zlatcanin being "junk". Man, I'm surprised so many people who don't know anything about the sport hangs around this forum. It's rather crazy.

I know a limited boxer when i see one. Mark my words and watch what happens to Zlatcanin's career from here on out. I'm not claiming to be a genius, other people do that for me. It's very frustrating.
Zlatićanin is a very solid fighter...Mikey is an excellent one... :TU:
Mikey IS an excellent fighter and I'm not saying that he's not. I"m just saying that people celebrate this guy for being a 3 division champion and doesn't really have a memorable fight to mark it. Then they will rip Adrian Broner for his opposition and 4 world titles. Broner's fought a way tougher schedule than Mikey. Why won't Mikey get in there with Lomachenko? How come that fight is not being discussed?

If Mikey agrees to fight Lomachenko then i'll stop
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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caldo2025 wrote:
ValMar wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:

I know a limited boxer when i see one. Mark my words and watch what happens to Zlatcanin's career from here on out. I'm not claiming to be a genius, other people do that for me. It's very frustrating.
Zlatićanin is a very solid fighter...Mikey is an excellent one... :TU:
Mikey IS an excellent fighter and I'm not saying that he's not. I"m just saying that people celebrate this guy for being a 3 division champion and doesn't really have a memorable fight to mark it. Then they will rip Adrian Broner for his opposition and 4 world titles. Broner's fought a way tougher schedule than Mikey. Why won't Mikey get in there with Lomachenko? How come that fight is not being discussed?

If Mikey agrees to fight Lomachenko then i'll stop
Mikey has beaten some extremely solid fighters. And he has left no question on who the better fighter has been in these fights. The way he dispatched of Salido was very impressive as well. Someone Loma had a hell of a time with. And yes, I saw the Loma/Salido fight.
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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Impractical Poster wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
ValMar wrote:
Zlatićanin is a very solid fighter...Mikey is an excellent one... :TU:
Mikey IS an excellent fighter and I'm not saying that he's not. I"m just saying that people celebrate this guy for being a 3 division champion and doesn't really have a memorable fight to mark it. Then they will rip Adrian Broner for his opposition and 4 world titles. Broner's fought a way tougher schedule than Mikey. Why won't Mikey get in there with Lomachenko? How come that fight is not being discussed?

If Mikey agrees to fight Lomachenko then i'll stop
Mikey has beaten some extremely solid fighters. And he has left no question on who the better fighter has been in these fights. The way he dispatched of Salido was very impressive as well. Someone Loma had a hell of a time with. And yes, I saw the Loma/Salido fight.
Perhaps i'm not giving Garcia enough credit because of the BS way he received a world title fight after taking almost 3 years off from the sport. He comes back and beats a shaky Rojas and all of sudden deserves a world title fight. It's the same reason why I disliked Lomachenko right out of the gate and will always be rooting for the guy in the other corner. Boxing is so shady it's ridiculous. Title shots can be purchased as easy as judges could be purchased it seems.
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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caldo2025 wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Mikey IS an excellent fighter and I'm not saying that he's not. I"m just saying that people celebrate this guy for being a 3 division champion and doesn't really have a memorable fight to mark it. Then they will rip Adrian Broner for his opposition and 4 world titles. Broner's fought a way tougher schedule than Mikey. Why won't Mikey get in there with Lomachenko? How come that fight is not being discussed?

If Mikey agrees to fight Lomachenko then i'll stop
Mikey has beaten some extremely solid fighters. And he has left no question on who the better fighter has been in these fights. The way he dispatched of Salido was very impressive as well. Someone Loma had a hell of a time with. And yes, I saw the Loma/Salido fight.
Perhaps i'm not giving Garcia enough credit because of the BS way he received a world title fight after taking almost 3 years off from the sport. He comes back and beats a shaky Rojas and all of sudden deserves a world title fight. It's the same reason why I disliked Lomachenko right out of the gate and will always be rooting for the guy in the other corner. Boxing is so shady it's ridiculous. Title shots can be purchased as easy as judges could be purchased it seems.
I can understand this if they're limited like Broner, but Mikey is easily the best fighter at 135 lbs. Mikey has been calling out Lomachenko. It's better for both to clean out their divisions first, though.

Mikey is likely to fight Linares next anyways. Linares is considered the #1 in the division at the moment.

Broner had a tougher schedule? No, no he did not. Broner fought guys like Escobedo, Gavin Rees, etc. for the longest time. Hell, Maidana was considered a cherry pick if anyone remembers. Now that Broner is no longer valuable, yes, he's had a tough schedule.

Mikey went straight after Zlatcanin coming off 1 tuneup. I noticed a lot of fans love looking at this in hindsight. Not a single, credible, person thought that would've been an easy fight for Mikey coming off a long layoff.
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Good post
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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Mexi-Box wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Mikey has beaten some extremely solid fighters. And he has left no question on who the better fighter has been in these fights. The way he dispatched of Salido was very impressive as well. Someone Loma had a hell of a time with. And yes, I saw the Loma/Salido fight.
Perhaps i'm not giving Garcia enough credit because of the BS way he received a world title fight after taking almost 3 years off from the sport. He comes back and beats a shaky Rojas and all of sudden deserves a world title fight. It's the same reason why I disliked Lomachenko right out of the gate and will always be rooting for the guy in the other corner. Boxing is so shady it's ridiculous. Title shots can be purchased as easy as judges could be purchased it seems.
I can understand this if they're limited like Broner, but Mikey is easily the best fighter at 135 lbs. Mikey has been calling out Lomachenko. It's better for both to clean out their divisions first, though.

Mikey is likely to fight Linares next anyways. Linares is considered the #1 in the division at the moment.

Broner had a tougher schedule? No, no he did not. Broner fought guys like Escobedo, Gavin Rees, etc. for the longest time. Hell, Maidana was considered a cherry pick if anyone remembers. Now that Broner is no longer valuable, yes, he's had a tough schedule.

Mikey went straight after Zlatcanin coming off 1 tuneup. I noticed a lot of fans love looking at this in hindsight. Not a single, credible, person thought that would've been an easy fight for Mikey coming off a long layoff.
Mikey is the #1 at LW, not Linares, for me.
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No way could I have a guy with one win at the weight #1 unless it was a serious opponent like a top 10 p4p guy. No way beating Zlat makes anyone number one
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Counter-puncher wrote:No way could I have a guy with one win at the weight #1 unless it was a serious opponent like a top 10 p4p guy. No way beating Zlat makes anyone number one
Zlatićanin is/was a name at LW, very serious opponent.
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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Mexi-Box wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Mikey has beaten some extremely solid fighters. And he has left no question on who the better fighter has been in these fights. The way he dispatched of Salido was very impressive as well. Someone Loma had a hell of a time with. And yes, I saw the Loma/Salido fight.
Perhaps i'm not giving Garcia enough credit because of the BS way he received a world title fight after taking almost 3 years off from the sport. He comes back and beats a shaky Rojas and all of sudden deserves a world title fight. It's the same reason why I disliked Lomachenko right out of the gate and will always be rooting for the guy in the other corner. Boxing is so shady it's ridiculous. Title shots can be purchased as easy as judges could be purchased it seems.
I can understand this if they're limited like Broner, but Mikey is easily the best fighter at 135 lbs. Mikey has been calling out Lomachenko. It's better for both to clean out their divisions first, though.

Mikey is likely to fight Linares next anyways. Linares is considered the #1 in the division at the moment.

Broner had a tougher schedule? No, no he did not. Broner fought guys like Escobedo, Gavin Rees, etc. for the longest time. Hell, Maidana was considered a cherry pick if anyone remembers. Now that Broner is no longer valuable, yes, he's had a tough schedule.

Mikey went straight after Zlatcanin coming off 1 tuneup. I noticed a lot of fans love looking at this in hindsight. Not a single, credible, person thought that would've been an easy fight for Mikey coming off a long layoff.
Honestly? I didn't know much about Zlatcanin and I bought into the hype that his talent would be a tough matchup for Garcia. So i made a point to watch that fight live and take it in. Then i saw Zlatcanin's had 7 inch long arms and wondered how he even picked up the sport with that physique as well as how he could have ever won enough fights to claim a championship.
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Re: Linares vs M. Garcia ?

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caldo2025 wrote:
Mexi-Box wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Perhaps i'm not giving Garcia enough credit because of the BS way he received a world title fight after taking almost 3 years off from the sport. He comes back and beats a shaky Rojas and all of sudden deserves a world title fight. It's the same reason why I disliked Lomachenko right out of the gate and will always be rooting for the guy in the other corner. Boxing is so shady it's ridiculous. Title shots can be purchased as easy as judges could be purchased it seems.
I can understand this if they're limited like Broner, but Mikey is easily the best fighter at 135 lbs. Mikey has been calling out Lomachenko. It's better for both to clean out their divisions first, though.

Mikey is likely to fight Linares next anyways. Linares is considered the #1 in the division at the moment.

Broner had a tougher schedule? No, no he did not. Broner fought guys like Escobedo, Gavin Rees, etc. for the longest time. Hell, Maidana was considered a cherry pick if anyone remembers. Now that Broner is no longer valuable, yes, he's had a tough schedule.

Mikey went straight after Zlatcanin coming off 1 tuneup. I noticed a lot of fans love looking at this in hindsight. Not a single, credible, person thought that would've been an easy fight for Mikey coming off a long layoff.
Honestly? I didn't know much about Zlatcanin and I bought into the hype that his talent would be a tough matchup for Garcia. So i made a point to watch that fight live and take it in. Then i saw Zlatcanin's had 7 inch long arms and wondered how he even picked up the sport with that physique as well as how he could have ever won enough fights to claim a championship.
What was the hype? No one knew who the hell Zlatcanin was outside of the hardcores. Only thing that lots of credible posters were backing him to beat Linares and ranking him as the #1 LW at one point.

If Zlatcanin was so weak, then why the hell was no one begging for a fight with him? Zlatcanin and Shafikov are similar in that they are both dangerous, high risk, low reward fighters.

So do you rank Usyk's win over Glowacki as special? Usyk had a severe stylistic advantage against Glowacki and shut him out. Should we then wonder how the hell Glowacki ever won a world title? Seriously, looking hindsight at a fight is so misleading. If you look at every fight ever under a microscope, no one would be an ATG or a HoF.
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