AJ's opponents vs Wlads

[Counter-puncher]

it is not so much ignorance as arrogance from AJ fanboys who have seen Joshua KO 18 out of 18 opponents and believe Wlad will simply be number 19 on the list.
Again, I think AJ will win. But I also think it stupid to count Wlad out...

Ok, but what do you make of people who aren't 'AJ fanboys' and instead are the type who will talk about quality trade fights, attend small hall shows, watch any boxing going and can provide you with a list of their top ten p4p straw-weights who also think Joshua will flatten him? These people clearly exist. Is their opinion not valid?

I hate AJ and I think he could smash Klit and Wilder in the same night

[Horse]

I hate AJ and I think he could smash Klit and Wilder in the same night

You're not a fanboy, you're just a sucker.

[Counter-puncher]

I hate AJ and I think he could smash Klit and Wilder in the same night

You're not a fanboy, you're just a sucker.

If AJ smashes Wlad that makes you the sucker then?

[handsofstone]

A bit off topic but yesterday I watched a young Cassius Clay's early fight against Billy Daniels, Clay was 13-0, Daniels was 16-0 and Clay won TKO7 due to Daniels suffering a cut, which from the grainy footage I seen didn't look that bad,Clay was booed heavily, either way Clay looked pretty mediocre throughout, I thought whilst watching it imagine if Joshua had a performance like this at that stage of his career he'd be ridiculed

I had a look at Daniels record, it was something like 23-22 but he fought pretty much everyone who is anyone of 60s/70s HW boxing

[Boxerbeetle]

I'm struggling to see the point of this thread tbh...Joshua is still a relative novice with 18 fights, why is his resume being compared against an opponent who has been professional for over 20 years, reigned as world champion for over 10 years and has had nearly 70 pro fights? Obviously Joshua's resume will be weaker, but that means absolutely fvck all at this stage of their respective careers.

[Horse]

If AJ smashes Wlad that makes you the sucker then?

Perhaps.

[Ossyrules]

If you can see where I'm arguing that AJs cv is better than Furys pre Wlad I'd like to see it.

Okay, so you're not arguing that they're resumes are comparable you're just defending an argument that says exactly that.

Read the whole thread, get some context, then you'll see you're talking crap, and you can stop wasting our time and padding out this thread with nonsense

[Nightmare Roy]

charles martin trumps them all , he is a living god

Not sure he's a god but he walks amongst them.

[Nightmare Roy]

If AJ smashes Wlad that makes you the sucker then?

Perhaps.

Can't wait to see him NO1 on Horses P4P list

[Loynesy]

I do think it is disappointing when people use "fan boy" type comments, on what is meant to be a rational debate on boxing matters.

For reasons I've posted elsewhere, I personally think Joshua will walk through Wlad very early. Doesn't make him the second coming of Lennox Lewis (incidentally, some of us probably saw Wlad on the undercard of a Lewis fight, different levels completely ), and if I'm wrong I will happily debate in intelligent criticism.

[Counter-puncher]

charles martin trumps them all , he is a living god

Not sure he's a god but he walks amongst them.

He certainly does seem to walk the earth in a manner befitting a god

[coneye]

Vlad had been champion for 10 years , Ok his best days were / are gone , but there is still enough in the tank , Then he comes against Fury , he has a bad camp with his sick wife , ect , and meats the qwuickest most ackward opponent out there and loses ,, So everyone writes him off has shop soiled , never that good anyway , and assumes , a big steroid head , slow footed puncher is gonna ko him ,, based on his one bad performance , and the fact steroid head has been ko'ing spoon fed opponents ,

I've got a feeling a revitalized Vlad , with a good camp behind him this time is gonna , put an end to Hearn's hype machine , and actually stop AJ

[Ossyrules]

Vlad had been champion for 10 years , Ok his best days were / are gone , but there is still enough in the tank , Then he comes against Fury , he has a bad camp with his sick wife , ect , and meats the qwuickest most ackward opponent out there and loses ,, So everyone writes him off has shop soiled , never that good anyway , and assumes , a big steroid head , slow footed puncher is gonna ko him ,, based on his one bad performance , and the fact steroid head has been ko'ing spoon fed opponents ,

I've got a feeling a revitalized Vlad , with a good camp behind him this time is gonna , put an end to Hearn's hype machine , and actually stop AJ

When you put it like that...

[Stuarty]

I had a vivid dream last night that Wlad knocked AJ out inside a minute with a straight right. The fight was in a gym hall though. I'm gonna have to stick a score on at the bookies now.

[PredatorHayds]

I see AJ walking through him early (first 5 rounds).

Wlad can't pull the trigger anymore. Jennings and Fury he looked like a rabbit in the headlights. Difference here is Joshua can punch.

Physically Wlad has deteriorated quickly and just as fast mentally aswell probably due to his out of the ring problems.

I'd also back the majority of the Boxrec top 10 to beat this version of Wlad aswell.

[SAPFO]

I'm struggling to see the point of this thread tbh...Joshua is still a relative novice with 18 fights, why is his resume being compared against an opponent who has been professional for over 20 years, reigned as world champion for over 10 years and has had nearly 70 pro fights? Obviously Joshua's resume will be weaker, but that means absolutely fvck all at this stage of their respective careers.

The point is what has AJ faced similar to Wlad? Absolutely nobody. If for example Wlad catches AJ early, how do we know AJ won't become timid like Wlad is? Everybody is assuming AJ is this fearless, iron chinned, warrior, when the fact is that he himself does not take a punch well, as seen in the AMS, and vs Whyte, and Wlad will be by far the hardest puncher he has faced.

Some scenarios:

AJ blows Wlad out early. His best chance IMO

AJ feels the power and backs off, which it a real possibility, then loses via jabathon



Who is AJ sparring by the way? Do we know who Wlad is sparring too?

[Ossyrules]

I'm struggling to see the point of this thread tbh...Joshua is still a relative novice with 18 fights, why is his resume being compared against an opponent who has been professional for over 20 years, reigned as world champion for over 10 years and has had nearly 70 pro fights? Obviously Joshua's resume will be weaker, but that means absolutely fvck all at this stage of their respective careers.

The point is what has AJ faced similar to Wlad? Absolutely nobody. If for example Wlad catches AJ early, how do we know AJ won't become timid like Wlad is? Everybody is assuming AJ is this fearless, iron chinned, warrior, when the fact is that he himself does not take a punch well, as seen in the AMS, and vs Whyte, and Wlad will be by far the hardest puncher he has faced.

Some scenarios:

AJ blows Wlad out early. His best chance IMO

AJ feels the power and backs off, which it a real possibility, then loses via jabathon



Who is AJ sparring by the way? Do we know who Wlad is sparring too?

Who has Wlad faced like AJ? In them 60 fights who would you compare him too?

AJ are one from Whyte for sure and got heavy legs. What's the amateur stuff you talk of? Hopefully not the amateur fight vs Whyte where he was dropped? His 4th ever bout. No junior pedigree that's it. Either it's hardly evidence of a glass jaw, majority of top fighters have had there moments, in heavyweight it's riskier business too.

The best thing is we get to see in a few weeks

[davie]

I'm struggling to see the point of this thread tbh...Joshua is still a relative novice with 18 fights, why is his resume being compared against an opponent who has been professional for over 20 years, reigned as world champion for over 10 years and has had nearly 70 pro fights? Obviously Joshua's resume will be weaker, but that means absolutely fvck all at this stage of their respective careers.

Because people need an excuse to call other people idiots


Ya fornicating moron

[moogie101]

The only way you can make any comparison between opponents is look at who AJ has fought so far in his short career & see who Wladimir had fought.

18 fights into his career & Wladdy had fought absolutely no-one. Obviously now he's sitting at nearly seventy fights & a lengthy title run he has some notable names on his CV but he was built very carefully & didn't fight recognised names until he had over 30 fights.

Obviously we can argue about the strength of the heavyweight division nowadays but it was hardly anything special back in the late nineties either.

[SAPFO]

Most of us had Price to kill Fury 2/3 years ago. AJ is not the 2nd coming of Ali. He may get a reality check if Wlad touches him early. AJ has NOT been tested! Wlad knows his own weaknesses and adjusted. Since then nobody has got close to dominating him other than Fury, who fought to win in his own way.

[Horse]

The only way you can make any comparison between opponents is look at who AJ has fought so far in his short career & see who Wladimir had fought.

18 fights into his career & Wladdy had fought absolutely no-one. Obviously now he's sitting at nearly seventy fights & a lengthy title run he has some notable names on his CV but he was built very carefully & didn't fight recognised names until he had over 30 fights.

Obviously we can argue about the strength of the heavyweight division nowadays but it was hardly anything special back in the late nineties either.

It took Wlad less than 3 years to get to 30-1 and he was WBO champion after less than 4 years.

Wlad was not moved along particularly slowly.

[moogie101]

The only way you can make any comparison between opponents is look at who AJ has fought so far in his short career & see who Wladimir had fought.

18 fights into his career & Wladdy had fought absolutely no-one. Obviously now he's sitting at nearly seventy fights & a lengthy title run he has some notable names on his CV but he was built very carefully & didn't fight recognised names until he had over 30 fights.

Obviously we can argue about the strength of the heavyweight division nowadays but it was hardly anything special back in the late nineties either.

It took Wlad less than 3 years to get to 30-1 and he was WBO champion after less than 4 years.

Wlad was not moved along particularly slowly.

I wasn't talking about length of career but amount of fights & clearly stressed that in my post. AJ was champion in three years in only his 16th fight whilst at a similar point in his career Wlad was still fighting 8 rounders against unknowns. Wlad was moved along slowly in regards to being kept away from any credible threats for as long as possible, whilst for all his faults Hearn certainly took a chance putting an untested AJ in a title shot so early.

[Horse]

I wasn't talking about length of career but amount of fights & clearly stressed that in my post.

And you were wrong to stress it.

AJ was champion in three years in only his 16th fight whilst at a similar point in his career Wlad was still fighting 8 rounders against unknowns.

Wlad had his 1st scheduled 12 rounder less than 1 year and 3 months after his debut.

Joshua had his first scheduled 12 rounder over 1 year and 11 months after his debut.

Time is more important than the number of fights, as far as who was getting moved along quicker.

Wlad was moved along slowly in regards to being kept away from any credible threats for as long as possible, whilst for all his faults Hearn certainly took a chance putting an untested AJ in a title shot so early.

"As long as possible"? What nonsense.

[Oiky]

Klitschkos resume smashes Joshua's joke of a resume to bits but at this stage I feel it means nothing

[SAPFO]

The debate is good as we genuinely do not know what will happen. How many times are we able we say that these days?

Big bro Vitali is the ideal man to spar Wlad for this. He can walk Wlad down and put it on him a bit. I just think the Klits are too clever between them to not work out a gameplan and drill it to death. They know exactly what they are facing in AJ, but AJ won't know which Wlad turns up. It's a gameplan fight for Wlad,

I support AJ being a Brit, but I just don't think he's faced a man as big, and as good as Wlad, even a fading Wlad, who will keep him on the outside, and ram that hard jab in his face. AJ does not have Fury's unorthodox style which now seems to be Wlads Kryptonite. I don't think AJ could keep that style up for 12 rounds without gassing anyway.

How many as big, and as good a fighters has AJ knocked out? Most of his wins were standing TKO's stopped by the 'home' ref, and against men 4 inches shorter.


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