On This Day: ‘Fat’ George Foreman returns after 10-year lay-off and targets Mike Tyson

[klompton]

Nope hes just overrated in his first career and a fraud in his second.

[Tuan_Jim]

Nope hes just overrated in his first career and a fraud in his second.

Are you drunk?

[klompton]

Nope hes just overrated in his first career and a fraud in his second.

Are you drunk?

No. Are you stupid?

[Tuan_Jim]

Nope hes just overrated in his first career and a fraud in his second.

Are you drunk?

No. Are you stupid?

The guy who thinks Moorer took a dive calling me stupid? Have you seen the shots Moorer was landing? What kind of man who knows he has to lose a fight is trying to decapitate his opponent?

Your posts in this thread make you sound like a snarling drunk. What's happening to you?

[klompton]

Are you drunk?

No. Are you stupid?

The guy who thinks Moorer took a dive calling me stupid? Have you seen the shots Moorer was landing? What kind of man who knows he has to lose a fight is trying to decapitate his opponent?

Your posts in this thread make you sound like a snarling drunk. What's happening to you?

I asked because it was a stupid question. You sound stupid. WHat happened to you?

I don't care what kind of shots Moorer was landing or throwing. Moorer was an average puncher at best at HW. Hes a guy whose reputation as a puncher was entirely based on what he did when he weighed FORTY POUNDS lighter. Besides, its not the shots that he was landing that I question. Its the lazy ass right hand that Foreman lands (and had landed several times before that with ZERO effect) that Moorer crumbles under and what happened with Foremans "career" before and after that fight. As I said, if he and Arum were willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get Axel Schulz rated so he could get an easy win and keep the gravy train rolling it isn't a stretch to suggest that the only legitimate contender/champion Foreman beat in his comeback took a dive when he collapses from a weak, lazy right hand against a fat old man who had exactly two late round KOs in an 81 fight career and never showed that he could duplicate that kind of win before or after against even the lesser absolute bums that Arum was lining up for him to bowl over like bowling pins. Congratulations, P.T. Barnum would be proud of a sucker like you.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes it is a stretch to compare allegedly getting Axel Schulz rated and getting Moorer to take a dive and lose the heavyweight championship.
That was a hard punch right on the button. Moorer had a glass jaw, he didn't take a dive. Foreman still has some power left even at that age.

Of course many of Foremans' opponents in his comeback were terrible to mediocre. No he clearly wasn't as good as he once was. However, he was off 10 years. However for man his age to give a prime Holyfield all he could handle can't be ignored.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Moorer is a ridiculous dive claim, then again, klompton is a moron.

[Tomasino]

Yes it is a stretch to compare allegedly getting Axel Schulz rated and getting Moorer to take a dive and lose the heavyweight championship.
That was a hard punch right on the button. Moorer had a glass jaw, he didn't take a dive. Foreman still has some power left even at that age.

Of course many of Foremans' opponents in his comeback were terrible to mediocre. No he clearly wasn't as good as he once was. However, he was off 10 years. However for man his age to give a prime Holyfield all he could handle can't be ignored.

Holy said George hit him harder than anyone else.

[Tuan_Jim]

No. Are you stupid?

The guy who thinks Moorer took a dive calling me stupid? Have you seen the shots Moorer was landing? What kind of man who knows he has to lose a fight is trying to decapitate his opponent?

Your posts in this thread make you sound like a snarling drunk. What's happening to you?

I asked because it was a stupid question. You sound stupid. WHat happened to you?

I don't care what kind of shots Moorer was landing or throwing. Moorer was an average puncher at best at HW. Hes a guy whose reputation as a puncher was entirely based on what he did when he weighed FORTY POUNDS lighter. Besides, its not the shots that he was landing that I question. Its the lazy ass right hand that Foreman lands (and had landed several times before that with ZERO effect) that Moorer crumbles under and what happened with Foremans "career" before and after that fight. As I said, if he and Arum were willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get Axel Schulz rated so he could get an easy win and keep the gravy train rolling it isn't a stretch to suggest that the only legitimate contender/champion Foreman beat in his comeback took a dive when he collapses from a weak, lazy right hand against a fat old man who had exactly two late round KOs in an 81 fight career and never showed that he could duplicate that kind of win before or after against even the lesser absolute bums that Arum was lining up for him to bowl over like bowling pins. Congratulations, P.T. Barnum would be proud of a sucker like you.

Why don't you share your expertise with Graham Houston, who was ringside for Foreman/Moorer, and posts regularly on Boxrec? In his Boxing Monthly report he wrote that many people on seeing the news reports had raised with him the possibility of a dive. Houston, who had witnessed literally thousands of kayos from ringside, said that up close Moorer had been absolutely and legitimately knocked out.

All of us having observed so many fights have seen countless KDs and KOs from weird punches - why anyone would think that a man as heavy handed as George Foreman couldn't ice a man guy who he clips perfectly square on the point of the chin is beyond me. Bringing up a 10-rd decision over Alex Stewart makes no sense. Foreman decked Stewart twice, Stewart got up and fought his heart out. What of it? Holyfield in 20 rounds couldn't put Stewart down once - does that mean Mercer, Bowe and Tyson were all faking when Holy put them down?

[Tuan_Jim]

Moorer is a ridiculous dive claim, then again, klompton is a moron.

I always associated him as being a bloke who had seen a lot of fights, but he sounds like he's gone mad in this thread.

[Dart340]

Saad is almost always the voice of moderation and reason in these sorts of threads in my experience.

Maybe Foreman was overrated first time around. I might buy that.

Not buying the whole "Foreman was scared of Tyson" in 89-91 and no one with a brain should either.
Following the money trail, it was clear that Tyson continually turned down a supposedly "easy fight against a fat fraud" to take on presumably much more dangerous challengers for much less money. That's how you determine who didn't want the fight.
The whole reason Tyson got hammered by Buster in Tokyo is he turned down much more money to open up the Egg Dome against "fat fraud Foreman" who was a much bigger draw.
Then Foreman chased and chased Tyson and even deposited Adilson Rodriquez in front of Don King at ringside exactly as promised and that cemented DK's resolve to play keep away. Again, Tyson turned down big money ago avoid getting the spanking that "fat fraud Foreman" would've likely delivered.

By 93-94, sure, Foreman faded and probably wasn't looking to fight Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe and those later "title defenses" were shady. I'll buy that too. But in 89-91, Foreman was the chaser and Tyson was the avoider and was probably smart to do so.

[Tuan_Jim]

Regarding the later title defences, Schulz it turned out had a steel chin and it took the passage of several years, a lot of decline and the power of an aggressive Klitschko to finally crumple him. It's hardly a disgrace to go 12 rounds with him in 1995, when he had no chink in his jaw. Foreman landed a couple of absolute dingers on him that would have decapped Moorer.

Grimsley spent all night walking away from Foreman, who had been off for over a year and looked hopelessly fat and rusty. But he was more lively for Savarese and Briggs, the former being durable enough to go 10 rounds with young clubbers like Grant and Whitaker, the latter swallowing everything Klitschko and Ibragimov could land. Savarese got his face mangled and Briggs felt something in there that compelled him to keep his distance. The power was naturally waning by this point but only the Grimsley performance was a failure.

[Ambling Alp II]

He did look awful against Schulz. No way he should have got that decision against a guy who was nothing special.
In some of his fights he did look pretty good; in some he didn't. Foreman did look good against Rodriques, Cooney, and Holyfield. In others he looked bad; some were in between.

Foreman's biggest problem was that he simply couldn't throw punches in bunches. He had to fight at a slow pace. There were times where he would land a good shot, and simply could not followup.

Tyson was not avoiding Foreman. It was a no-win situation. If he beat him, he gets no credit. Tyson in is 20s would have walked through Foreman in his 40s. If both were in their 20s, then it's a different story.
Just because two guys didn't fight each doesn't automatically mean that one was was avoiding the other.

[Cojimar 1946]

The Moorer win is odd in the sense that Moorer was the only world-class opponent Foreman beat in his comeback. After he won the title Foreman refused to face decent opponents (even a shot Tucker was apparently thought too formidable). It seems odd that he would be so reluctant to face top-level guys.

[Cojimar 1946]

What attributes would Foreman bring that would worry Tyson? I doubt he could punch harder than Ruddock at that stage nor would Tyson have trouble landing on him. His durability at this stage is questionable given he avoided the divisions big bangers (Tyson, Ruddock, Lewis).