How is Golovkin is an ATG having never fought one

[Enlightened-One]

OK, why don’t you analyse each point detailed in my post at a granular level and verify the accuracy of my claims?

Please list the so-called “many flaws” contained in my post by providing counter-arguments that have clearly been fact-checked to the point that your statements are clearly irrefutable in nature?

I have yet to meet a knowledgeable boxing fan that wholeheartedly believes that the quality of GGG’s resume is deeply-impressive.

Accusing me of being “wrong”, without making any attempt to prove so, is incredibly lazy and extremely dishonest!

I don't have the time right now to go turn for turn with you, but long story short there's some names that don't enhance his record, others that do, and others that if you look beyond boxrec rankings and stats and appreciate circumstances, understand there is little chance of the fight ever happening.

I've never said ggg's cv is stacked with contenders so dunno where you're going with that sentence either.

Devils advocate or genuine opinion?

I genuinely believe that Gennady Golovkin’s resume would have been far superior had his career been handled by the likes of Bob Arum, Oscar De La Hoya, Al Haymon or even Eddie Hearn, instead of Tom Loeffler’s K2.

In terms of the fourteen big name middleweights that I listed that were active 160lb-ers since GGG arrived on the world-scene in 2008, every single one of them would have been considered far greater threats to his unblemished record and much more accomplished opponents than the following list of fighters that Golovkin engaged in world title bouts against:
• Kassim Ouma
• Lajuan Simon
• Makoto Fuchigami
• Grzegorz Proksa
• Gabriel Rosado
• Nobuhiro Ishida
• Matthew Macklin
• Curtis Stevens
• Osumanu Adama
• Marco Antonio Rubio
• Willie Monroe Jr.
• Dominic Wade
• Nilson Julio Tapia
• Milton Nunez

The reason being, is that every single one of the guys I listed were former world champions and legitimate top-ten world-rated middleweights, whereas these guys weren’t.

For sure, it may not have been possible for Golovkin to have faced every single one of the fighters I listed, but he should have at least fought a few of them. K2 and HBO haven’t done enough to market GGG to the masses and nor have they done enough to ensure that he competes against the best available opposition.

[punchoutsb]

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour spread by Fwank Warren to the point that he himself has said that he has "no idea what Frank is talking about". You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

You are a f*cking idiot, EO. You treat everything literally. For you, it is either truth or lie, but in real life, people often tell not all truth or something beside some truth. Golovkin's team will never accept that he went into the PPV fight with injury or even that Gennady was injured during the fight, as it will affect his future fights in many ways and could cause law suites like ones against Pac.

You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

There's no evidence to support your claim.

Since you refuse to answer my earlier questions, could you answer these two?

An unsubstantiated claim was made that Golovkin may be injured; his manager said that is false, but provided no proof himself.

1. Why do you accept one unsubstantiated claim but not the other?

2. Would this be the very first time in boxing history that someone hid an injury or perhaps made a statement that may not be true regarding an injury?

[Enlightened-One]

You are a f*cking idiot, EO. You treat everything literally. For you, it is either truth or lie, but in real life, people often tell not all truth or something beside some truth. Golovkin's team will never accept that he went into the PPV fight with injury or even that Gennady was injured during the fight, as it will affect his future fights in many ways and could cause law suites like ones against Pac.

You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

There's no evidence to support your claim.

Since you refuse to answer my earlier questions, could you answer these two?

An unsubstantiated claim was made that Golovkin may be injured; his manager said that is false, but provided no proof himself.

1. Why do you accept one unsubstantiated claim but not the other?

2. Would this be the very first time in boxing history that someone hid an injury or perhaps made a statement that may not be true regarding an injury?

You can't claim it's currently raining in your locale if there are no raindrops falling from the sky and there is also a complete absence of rain-clouds.

Abel Sanchez is Gennady's trainer and should be considered the most reliable source of information currently available. To assume that he's lying, simply because his in-depth first-hand knowledge of the situation doesn't adhere to your preferred perception of reality, is total and utter nonsense.

At this point in time, the sky is clear, the air is calm and the satellite imagery also provides compelling evidence that it won’t rain in the short-term! Therefore, it isn't currently raining!

[punchoutsb]

You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

There's no evidence to support your claim.

Since you refuse to answer my earlier questions, could you answer these two?

An unsubstantiated claim was made that Golovkin may be injured; his manager said that is false, but provided no proof himself.

1. Why do you accept one unsubstantiated claim but not the other?

2. Would this be the very first time in boxing history that someone hid an injury or perhaps made a statement that may not be true regarding an injury?

You can't claim it's currently raining in your locale if there are no raindrops falling from the sky and there is also a complete absence of rain-clouds.

Abel Sanchez is Gennady's trainer and should be considered the most reliable source of information currently available. To assume that he's lying, simply because his in-depth first-hand knowledge of the situation doesn't adhere to your preferred perception of reality, is total and utter nonsense.

At this point in time, the sky is clear, the air is calm and the satellite imagery also provides compelling evidence that it won’t rain in the short-term! Therefore, it isn't currently raining!

You didn't answer either question, which I have noticed is one thing you're really very good at.

Let's focus in a bit more on number two: would this be the very first time that someone made a potentially untrue statement about an injury in boxing? You seem positive that Warren's statement is untrue, however you also claim that Sanchez statement is true despite having not been granted access to any medical records I assume?

Do you feel you are better connected to the boxing rumor mill then Warren is?

[Enlightened-One]

Since you refuse to answer my earlier questions, could you answer these two?

An unsubstantiated claim was made that Golovkin may be injured; his manager said that is false, but provided no proof himself.

1. Why do you accept one unsubstantiated claim but not the other?

2. Would this be the very first time in boxing history that someone hid an injury or perhaps made a statement that may not be true regarding an injury?

You can't claim it's currently raining in your locale if there are no raindrops falling from the sky and there is also a complete absence of rain-clouds.

Abel Sanchez is Gennady's trainer and should be considered the most reliable source of information currently available. To assume that he's lying, simply because his in-depth first-hand knowledge of the situation doesn't adhere to your preferred perception of reality, is total and utter nonsense.

At this point in time, the sky is clear, the air is calm and the satellite imagery also provides compelling evidence that it won’t rain in the short-term! Therefore, it isn't currently raining!

You didn't answer either question, which I have noticed is one thing you're really very good at.

Let's focus in a bit more on number two: would this be the very first time that someone made a potentially untrue statement about an injury in boxing? You seem positive that Warren's statement is untrue, however you also claim that Sanchez statement is true despite having not been granted access to any medical records I assume?

Do you feel you are better connected to the boxing rumor mill then Warren is?

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

[punchoutsb]

You can't claim it's currently raining in your locale if there are no raindrops falling from the sky and there is also a complete absence of rain-clouds.

Abel Sanchez is Gennady's trainer and should be considered the most reliable source of information currently available. To assume that he's lying, simply because his in-depth first-hand knowledge of the situation doesn't adhere to your preferred perception of reality, is total and utter nonsense.

At this point in time, the sky is clear, the air is calm and the satellite imagery also provides compelling evidence that it won’t rain in the short-term! Therefore, it isn't currently raining!

You didn't answer either question, which I have noticed is one thing you're really very good at.

Let's focus in a bit more on number two: would this be the very first time that someone made a potentially untrue statement about an injury in boxing? You seem positive that Warren's statement is untrue, however you also claim that Sanchez statement is true despite having not been granted access to any medical records I assume?

Do you feel you are better connected to the boxing rumor mill then Warren is?

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

[Enlightened-One]

You didn't answer either question, which I have noticed is one thing you're really very good at.

Let's focus in a bit more on number two: would this be the very first time that someone made a potentially untrue statement about an injury in boxing? You seem positive that Warren's statement is untrue, however you also claim that Sanchez statement is true despite having not been granted access to any medical records I assume?

Do you feel you are better connected to the boxing rumor mill then Warren is?

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

I cannot take the blame for fact that the words of Abel Sanchez is considered compelling enough to totally refute your beliefs.

It is your own responsibility to revise your opinion to reflect the objective truths of reality!

[punchoutsb]

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

I cannot take the blame for fact that the words of Abel Sanchez is considered compelling enough to totally refute your beliefs.

It is your own responsibility to revise your opinion to reflect the objective truths of reality!

My beliefs? Can you please cite your sources for my supposed beliefs on this?

Once again, two individuals far more in-the-know than you have made claims; you chose to believe the one that fit your preconceived bias. The fact that Sanchez is GGG's manager could be held against him just as much as for him since he would theoretically have a good reason for hiding an injury.

[Enlightened-One]

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

I cannot take the blame for fact that the words of Abel Sanchez is considered compelling enough to totally refute your beliefs.

It is your own responsibility to revise your opinion to reflect the objective truths of reality!

My beliefs? Can you please cite your sources for my supposed beliefs on this?

Once again, two individuals far more in-the-know than you have made claims; you chose to believe the one that fit your preconceived bias. The fact that Sanchez is GGG's manager could be held against him just as much as for him since he would theoretically have a good reason for hiding an injury.

Abel Sanchez is part of Team GGG, so I consider his first-hand knowledge of Golovkin's well-being very reliable.

There is no evidence to suggest that he is lying.

I keep telling you that Abel Sanchez is Golovkin's trainer, but you keep referring to him as his manager. Oleg Hermann is Golovkin's manager.

Pay attention and learn the subject matter. You're arguing without knowledge or evidence.

[punchoutsb]

I cannot take the blame for fact that the words of Abel Sanchez is considered compelling enough to totally refute your beliefs.

It is your own responsibility to revise your opinion to reflect the objective truths of reality!

My beliefs? Can you please cite your sources for my supposed beliefs on this?

Once again, two individuals far more in-the-know than you have made claims; you chose to believe the one that fit your preconceived bias. The fact that Sanchez is GGG's manager could be held against him just as much as for him since he would theoretically have a good reason for hiding an injury.

Abel Sanchez is part of Team GGG, so I consider his first-hand knowledge of Golovkin's well-being very reliable.

There is no evidence to suggest that he is lying.

There is also no evidence to suggest he is telling the truth. Right now we have two individuals with good reason to stretch the truth making unsubstantiated claims. There is, however, evidence that you think you know more than you do, such as your claims about "my beliefs". You may want to re-think taking a hard-line stance until more information is available.

[boxing_rocks]

You didn't answer either question, which I have noticed is one thing you're really very good at.

Let's focus in a bit more on number two: would this be the very first time that someone made a potentially untrue statement about an injury in boxing? You seem positive that Warren's statement is untrue, however you also claim that Sanchez statement is true despite having not been granted access to any medical records I assume?

Do you feel you are better connected to the boxing rumor mill then Warren is?

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

He labeled Sanchez a liar many times when it fit his agenda.

He could also just be plain stupid.

[Enlightened-One]

I have to take the words of Abel Sanchez at face value. I can't assume that he's lying without requiring the need of extremely compelling evidence that contradicts his claims.

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

He labeled Sanchez a liar many times when it fit his agenda.

He could also just be plain stupid.

Have I ever accused Abel Sanchez of being a "liar" without the existence of evidence?

If so, please quote my words.

[punchoutsb]

So you only require proof if something doesn't fit your view? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

He labeled Sanchez a liar many times when it fit his agenda.

He could also just be plain stupid.

Have I ever accused Abel Sanchez of being a "liar" without the existence of evidence?

If so, please quote my words.

Is he allowed to simply ignore your request for clarification as you do so often?

[Enlightened-One]

He labeled Sanchez a liar many times when it fit his agenda.

He could also just be plain stupid.

Have I ever accused Abel Sanchez of being a "liar" without the existence of evidence?

If so, please quote my words.

Is he allowed to simply ignore your request for clarification as you do so often?

It's his prerogative to tell lies about me and refuse to prove his claims, but his silence only serves to undermine his credibility.

By the way, who is Golovkin's manager?

[punchoutsb]

Have I ever accused Abel Sanchez of being a "liar" without the existence of evidence?

If so, please quote my words.

Is he allowed to simply ignore your request for clarification as you do so often?

It's his prerogative to tell lies about me and refuse to prove his claims, but his silence only serves to undermine his credibility.

By the way, who is Golovkin's manager?

Oleg Hermann last I heard.

Do you Golovkin's personal chef's name?

And yes, silence and avoidance does undermine credibility. I'm glad you understand this, hopefully you can work to make changes to your personality so that you do it less often.

[Enlightened-One]

Is he allowed to simply ignore your request for clarification as you do so often?

It's his prerogative to tell lies about me and refuse to prove his claims, but his silence only serves to undermine his credibility.

By the way, who is Golovkin's manager?

Oleg Hermann last I heard.

Do you Golovkin's personal chef's name?

And yes, silence and avoidance does undermine credibility. I'm glad you understand this, hopefully you can work to make changes to your personality so that you do it less often.

I'm glad that you've conceded to learning the name of Golovkin's manager. At least you've learned one thing from me.

[punchoutsb]

It's his prerogative to tell lies about me and refuse to prove his claims, but his silence only serves to undermine his credibility.

By the way, who is Golovkin's manager?

Oleg Hermann last I heard.

Do you Golovkin's personal chef's name?

And yes, silence and avoidance does undermine credibility. I'm glad you understand this, hopefully you can work to make changes to your personality so that you do it less often.

I'm glad that you've conceded to learning the name of Golovkin's manager. At least you've learned one thing from me.

Can you please cite where in this thread you've written the name Oleg Hermann?

So now that we've straightened out my typo from earlier we can return to you avoiding questions, lacking basic understanding and making assumptions like a hypocritical fool. You're great at that

[Enlightened-One]

Can you please cite where in this thread you've written the name Oleg Hermann?

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4633496

By the way, a typo is a one-off mistake. Making the same "mistake" multiple times like you did suggests a conscious misguided decision that is the direct result of a lack of knowledge.

[punchoutsb]

Can you please cite where in this thread you've written the name Oleg Hermann?

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4633496

By the way, a typo is a one-off mistake. Making the same "mistake" multiple times like you did suggests a conscious misguided decision that is the direct result of a lack of knowledge.

So you went back and edited your post so you could cite it as a source? That's more pathetic than you crawling away like a bitch and not answering my original questions.

[Enlightened-One]

Can you please cite where in this thread you've written the name Oleg Hermann?

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4633496

By the way, a typo is a one-off mistake. Making the same "mistake" multiple times like you did suggests a conscious misguided decision that is the direct result of a lack of knowledge.

So you went back and edited your post so you could cite it as a source? That's more pathetic than you crawling away like a bitch and not answering my original questions.

No, but even if I did, there would be a timestamp message detailing when the edit took place... and for this post there isn't one, since I didn't change it.

You're either trolling or you have learning difficulties.

[Enlightened-One]

Doesn't answer the question

Prove he's not chasing the biggest fights

A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

[Ossyrules]

A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

Is it deja vu here?

[Tanzio]

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

Is it deja vu here?

More like diva poo.

[Enlightened-One]

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

Is it deja vu here?

Yeah, sorry. I wanted to bring the discussions back on topic, since the thread was being trolled by someone who didn't understand how to use the forum and nor did he understand Abel Sanchez's role in GGG's career.

[boxing_rocks]

... and you just proved being an idiot again.