Adonis Stevenson vs. Andrzej Fonfara II June 3rd on Showtime

[Stuarty]

Who's telling lies? Stop talking wet. Were you present at the negotiations? Two rival networks, politics, red tape etc etc... Taking all that out of the equation and looking at the two people who matter, the fighters, I know who I'd be believe. Stevenson doesn't seem interested in facing anyone relevant and this fight against Fonfara proves that. More nonsense from the pimp. Ffs the guys nearing the end of his career and he doesn't seem interested at all.

Does Kovalev deny pulling out of the fight?

He had his chance and he blew it.

He blew it? What are you on? Stevenson is the one that's blown it mate. He's fighting Fonfara again ffs. Kovalev is fighting Ward. Get a grip.

[Horse]

I have absolutely no idea and neither do you. If you think Kovalev ducked Stevenson then you're a lunatic. Kovalev obliterate him no worries. Doesn't exactly strike you as the type to back away from anyone does he?

Just when it looked like the path was relatively clear for the light heavyweight unification showdown between champion Adonis Stevenson and three-belt owner Sergey Kovalev, a big wrench was thrown in the plans on Tuesday.

The fight is by far the most anticipated in the 175-pound weight class, but the chances that it comes off this fall as many hoped were greatly diminished when Main Events CEO Kathy Duva, Kovalev's promoter, decided against participating in a WBC-mandated purse bid on Friday in Mexico City.

The WBC, whose belt Stevenson holds, made the very unusual move of making the winner of the Kovalev-Jean Pascal fight on March 14, which Kovalev won by eighth-round knockout, the mandatory challenger for Stevenson.

So you deny that this happened?


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[Enlightened-One]

I hope he was wearing a condom

The fact remains is that Kovalev had a guaranteed shot at Adonis Stevenson and he declined the fight.

Ignore this fact if it distresses you so much, but the reality of the situation is that Sergey refused the fight.

You can keep telling lies if it makes you feel more comfortable about the situation.

Who's telling lies? Stop talking wet. Were you present at the negotiations? Two rival networks, politics, red tape etc etc... Taking all that out of the equation and looking at the two people who matter, the fighters, I know who I'd believe. Stevenson doesn't seem interested in facing anyone relevant and this fight against Fonfara proves that. More nonsense from the pimp. Ffs the guys nearing the end of his career and he doesn't seem interested at all.

Kathy Duva, the WBC and Yvon Michel confirmed what transpired.

You can either become emotional and outraged by lazily criticising my claims whilst remaining ignorant or you can educate your own mind by fact-checking the facts that I've communicated to you.

When you realise I'm 100% correct, I look forward to reading your apology.

You can't pretend to be a fan of the sport of boxing without making an effort to follow it.

[Horse]

He blew it? What are you on? Stevenson is the one that's blown it mate. He's fighting Fonfara again ffs. Kovalev is fighting Ward. Get a grip.

Kovalev's team pulled out, not Stevenson's.

It's a fact.

It doesn't matter how hard Kovalev looks. He had his chance and it was turned down.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Look at the trolls going on and on about meaningless old crap. the fact of the matter is Adonis does nothing relevant in the sport.

[Horse]

Look at the trolls going on and on about meaningless old crap. the fact of the matter is Adonis does nothing relevant in the sport.

How is it meaningless when people are trying to big Kovalev up in this thread when he was the one who turned it down and not Stevenson?

Stevenson deserves to be criticised, but Kovalev deserves some as well.

[Stuarty]

The fact remains is that Kovalev had a guaranteed shot at Adonis Stevenson and he declined the fight.

Ignore this fact if it distresses you so much, but the reality of the situation is that Sergey refused the fight.

You can keep telling lies if it makes you feel more comfortable about the situation.

Who's telling lies? Stop talking wet. Were you present at the negotiations? Two rival networks, politics, red tape etc etc... Taking all that out of the equation and looking at the two people who matter, the fighters, I know who I'd believe. Stevenson doesn't seem interested in facing anyone relevant and this fight against Fonfara proves that. More nonsense from the pimp. Ffs the guys nearing the end of his career and he doesn't seem interested at all.

Kathy Duva, the WBC and Yvon Michel confirmed what transpired.

You can either become emotional and outraged by lazily criticising my claims whilst remaining ignorant or you can educate your own mind by fact-checking the facts that I've communicated to you.

When you realise I'm 100% correct, I look forward to reading your apology.

You can't pretend to be a fan of the sport of boxing without making an effort to follow it.

Do you believe everything you read in the media mate? Stevenson is fighting Fonfara next. Says it all. You don't know what went on in negotiations anymore than I do. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if it came down to the two fighters alone then it would've probably been made and if it didn't it wouldn't have been anything to do with Kovalev. He's proved himself whereas Stevenson goes from one joke fight to another when he can be bothered. He's near the end of his career and should be making more of an effort to get these types of fights made but he's my wasting what's left of his career.

On a personal note, I don't pretend do be a fan of this sport. I've lived and breathed it since I was a boy so don't insult me with your juvenile bollux pal. Perhaps try looking at things from a different perspective instead of believing every piece of garbage you read in the media. We both know there's a lot more to negotiating a fight than the two fighters agreeing to terms.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Look at the trolls going on and on about meaningless old crap. the fact of the matter is Adonis does nothing relevant in the sport.

How is it meaningless when people are trying to big Kovalev up in this thread when he was the one who turned it down and not Stevenson?

Stevenson deserves to be criticised, but Kovalev deserves some as well.

No he doesn't, he consistently makes compelling fights while Adonis never does. Stevenson's move to Al looks all the more like a duck considering how inactive he is and how shitty his match ups are. But you keep blowing that Horse horn, clown.

[Horse]

No he doesn't, he consistently makes compelling fights while Adonis never does. Stevenson's move to Al looks all the more like a duck considering how inactive he is and how shitty his match ups are. But you keep blowing that Horse horn, clown.

Kovalev does have much better fights than Stevenson does, but his team still turned the fight down.

When it comes to Stevenson then his fans should probably keep quiet and not try to brag, because his team turned the fight down.

[boxing_rocks]

EO and Horse in the same thread. Run people, run.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No he doesn't, he consistently makes compelling fights while Adonis never does. Stevenson's move to Al looks all the more like a duck considering how inactive he is and how shitty his match ups are. But you keep blowing that Horse horn, clown.

Kovalev does have much better fights than Stevenson does, but his team still turned the fight down.

When it comes to Stevenson then his fans should probably keep quiet and not try to brag, because his team turned the fight down.

Clown

[Horse]

Do you believe everything you read in the media mate? Stevenson is fighting Fonfara next. Says it all. You don't know what went on in negotiations anymore than I do. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if it came down to the two fighters alone then it would've probably been made and if it didn't it wouldn't have been anything to do with Kovalev. He's proved himself whereas Stevenson goes from one joke fight to another when he can be bothered. He's near the end of his career and should be making more of an effort to get these types of fights made but he's my wasting what's left of his career.

On a personal note, I don't pretend do be a fan of this sport. I've lived and breathed it since I was a boy so don't insult me with your juvenile bollux pal. Perhaps try looking at things from a different perspective instead of believing every piece of garbage you read in the media. We both know there's a lot more to negotiating a fight than the two fighters agreeing to terms.

You are being ridiculous.

Stop making excuses for Kovalev.

They mocked Stevenson for a long time, said he was a chicken, and then they pull out.

It was disgusting.

Then everyone pretends that it didn't happen, because it doesn't suit their agenda.

[Horse]

Clown

Kovalev ducked.

Face the truth.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Clown

Kovalev ducked.

Face the truth.

Clown

[Horse]

Clown

[Enlightened-One]

Who's telling lies? Stop talking wet. Were you present at the negotiations? Two rival networks, politics, red tape etc etc... Taking all that out of the equation and looking at the two people who matter, the fighters, I know who I'd believe. Stevenson doesn't seem interested in facing anyone relevant and this fight against Fonfara proves that. More nonsense from the pimp. Ffs the guys nearing the end of his career and he doesn't seem interested at all.

Kathy Duva, the WBC and Yvon Michel confirmed what transpired.

You can either become emotional and outraged by lazily criticising my claims whilst remaining ignorant or you can educate your own mind by fact-checking the facts that I've communicated to you.

When you realise I'm 100% correct, I look forward to reading your apology.

You can't pretend to be a fan of the sport of boxing without making an effort to follow it.

Do you believe everything you read in the media mate? Stevenson is fighting Fonfara next. Says it all. You don't know what went on in negotiations anymore than I do. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if it came down to the two fighters alone then it would've probably been made and if it didn't it wouldn't have been anything to do with Kovalev. He's proved himself whereas Stevenson goes from one joke fight to another when he can be bothered. He's near the end of his career and should be making more of an effort to get these types of fights made but he's my wasting what's left of his career.

On a personal note, I don't pretend do be a fan of this sport. I've lived and breathed it since I was a boy so don't insult me with your juvenile bollux pal. Perhaps try looking at things from a different perspective instead of believing every piece of garbage you read in the media. We both know there's a lot more to negotiating a fight than the two fighters agreeing to terms.

I believe the noises emitted from the proverbial horse's mouth, especially when all parties that were involved in the purse bid process all said the same things and were clearly singing from the same hymn sheet.

You'd know this yourself if you verified my claims by researching them instead of formulating utterly irrelevant counter-arguments that bear no relation to the events that actually took place in the real world.

Now I'll ask you again, educate your own mind by finding out whether or not I was 100% correct about my claims about Kovalev withdrawing from a guaranteed opportunity to face Stevenson.

[Stuarty]

Do you believe everything you read in the media mate? Stevenson is fighting Fonfara next. Says it all. You don't know what went on in negotiations anymore than I do. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if it came down to the two fighters alone then it would've probably been made and if it didn't it wouldn't have been anything to do with Kovalev. He's proved himself whereas Stevenson goes from one joke fight to another when he can be bothered. He's near the end of his career and should be making more of an effort to get these types of fights made but he's my wasting what's left of his career.

On a personal note, I don't pretend do be a fan of this sport. I've lived and breathed it since I was a boy so don't insult me with your juvenile bollux pal. Perhaps try looking at things from a different perspective instead of believing every piece of garbage you read in the media. We both know there's a lot more to negotiating a fight than the two fighters agreeing to terms.

You are being ridiculous.

Stop making excuses for Kovalev.

They mocked Stevenson for a long time, said he was a chicken, and then they pull out.

It was disgusting.

Then everyone pretends that it didn't happen, because it doesn't suit their agenda.

I don't have an agenda. I see one guy fighting top contenders and another going over old ground with B level opposition. I don't think anything of what I've said is ridiculous but you're certainly entitled to your opinion

[Horse]

I don't have an agenda. I see one guy fighting top contenders and another going over old ground with B level opposition. I don't think anything of what I've said is ridiculous but you're certainly entitled to your opinion

Kovalev's team pulled out of the fight. You seem to be in denial about that.

You might not want to believe it, but it happened.

They don't deny it, they admit to it.

[boxing_rocks]

I don't have an agenda. I see one guy fighting top contenders and another going over old ground with B level opposition. I don't think anything of what I've said is ridiculous but you're certainly entitled to your opinion

Kovalev's team pulled out of the fight. You seem to be in denial about that.

You might not want to believe it, but it happened.

They don't deny it, they admit to it.

They had to pull out, and Stevenson's team deliberately created conditions for that to happen.

[jujigatame]

The sad thing is that this is a totally unwarranted rematch (with Fonfara having been KO'd by Smith) but it's still Stevenson's strongest opponent in 3 and a half years.

[Stuarty]

I don't have an agenda. I see one guy fighting top contenders and another going over old ground with B level opposition. I don't think anything of what I've said is ridiculous but you're certainly entitled to your opinion

Kovalev's team pulled out of the fight. You seem to be in denial about that.

You might not want to believe it, but it happened.

They don't deny it, they admit to it.

I've read what you've read but I'm sure there's more to it than that. As I said if it were down to the two fighters I'm sure it would've happened but unfortunately things aren't as simple as that in boxing. It's ridiculous to insinuate that someone like Kovalev who would fight anyone is somehow running scared from a guy like Stevenson. Look at their recent opponents and judge for yourself.

[Horse]

I've read what you've read but I'm sure there's more to it than that. As I said if it were down to the two fighters I'm sure it would've happened but unfortunately things aren't as simple as that in boxing. It's ridiculous to insinuate that someone like Kovalev who would fight anyone is somehow running scared from a guy like Stevenson. Look at their recent opponents and judge for yourself.

But it's okay to suggest that Stevenson is running from Kovalev, when he was not the fighter to pull out of the fight?

[Stuarty]

Kathy Duva, the WBC and Yvon Michel confirmed what transpired.

You can either become emotional and outraged by lazily criticising my claims whilst remaining ignorant or you can educate your own mind by fact-checking the facts that I've communicated to you.

When you realise I'm 100% correct, I look forward to reading your apology.

You can't pretend to be a fan of the sport of boxing without making an effort to follow it.

Do you believe everything you read in the media mate? Stevenson is fighting Fonfara next. Says it all. You don't know what went on in negotiations anymore than I do. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if it came down to the two fighters alone then it would've probably been made and if it didn't it wouldn't have been anything to do with Kovalev. He's proved himself whereas Stevenson goes from one joke fight to another when he can be bothered. He's near the end of his career and should be making more of an effort to get these types of fights made but he's my wasting what's left of his career.

On a personal note, I don't pretend do be a fan of this sport. I've lived and breathed it since I was a boy so don't insult me with your juvenile bollux pal. Perhaps try looking at things from a different perspective instead of believing every piece of garbage you read in the media. We both know there's a lot more to negotiating a fight than the two fighters agreeing to terms.

I believe the noises emitted from the proverbial horse's mouth, especially when all parties that were involved in the purse bid process all said the same things and were clearly singing from the same hymn sheet.

You'd know this yourself if you verified my claims by researching them instead of formulating utterly irrelevant counter-arguments that bear no relation to the events that actually took place in the real world.

Now I'll ask you again, educate your own mind by finding out whether or not I was 100% correct about my claims about Kovalev withdrawing from a guaranteed opportunity to face Stevenson.

I've read bits about it and seen some interviews but there's a lot more that goes on behind the scenes that we as fans don't get to hear about. There's no way on earth Kovalev has ducked Stevenson. As I've said on this thread a few times, if it came down to the fighters and the fighters alone then the fight would most likely have happened. And if it did or if it does Kovalev wins handily

[boxing_rocks]

The sad thing is that this is a totally unwarranted rematch (with Fonfara having been KO'd by Smith) but it's still Stevenson's strongest opponent in 3 and a half years.

Exactly. Why wouldn't he fight Smith, Alvarez, Beterbiev ?

[Stuarty]

I've read what you've read but I'm sure there's more to it than that. As I said if it were down to the two fighters I'm sure it would've happened but unfortunately things aren't as simple as that in boxing. It's ridiculous to insinuate that someone like Kovalev who would fight anyone is somehow running scared from a guy like Stevenson. Look at their recent opponents and judge for yourself.

But it's okay to suggest that Stevenson is running from Kovalev, when he was not the fighter to pull out of the fight?

All I said was that Kovalevs comments cracked me up then you and that other bladder with a mouth jumped in on it and started menstruating all over the thread. I've said a few times that if it was down to the fighter alone then it would've probably happened haven't I! What more do you want. You seem to think it's cut and dried that Kovalev and his team backed away in fear and awe of Stevenson and that's just tripe. There's more bullshìt that goes on behind the scenes that we don't get to hear about and that's a fact.