Andre Ward vs. Sergey Kovalev II on June 17

[lazboy]

This fight will be more about the ref than the judges imo.

[Evander]

They having a face to face press conference soon ?

[Evander]

Even the bookies can't make up their mind, what's the odds on the fight ?

[lillywhite14]

This time, Kovalev will be certain that he can't trust the judges, so he will stop Ward.

I always hated that excuse. He should've stopped him the first time, Mr. knockout king Kovalev who relied on the judges. Not buying it. Ward beats him in rematch as he figured Kovalev out by the end and not vice versa.

You are correct

It's complete bollocks. If Kovalev could have stopped him the first time he would of, 100%. His fanboys make out Kov decided not to knock him out because he thought he'd done enough!? Behave!

[crusader]

This time, Kovalev will be certain that he can't trust the judges, so he will stop Ward.

I always hated that excuse. He should've stopped him the first time, Mr. knockout king Kovalev who relied on the judges. Not buying it. Ward beats him in rematch as he figured Kovalev out by the end and not vice versa.

You are correct

It's complete bollocks. If Kovalev could have stopped him the first time he would of, 100%. His fanboys make out Kov decided not to knock him out because he thought he'd done enough!? Behave!

Ward getting that KO this time?

[greg]

This time, Kovalev will be certain that he can't trust the judges, so he will stop Ward.

I always hated that excuse. He should've stopped him the first time, Mr. knockout king Kovalev who relied on the judges. Not buying it. Ward beats him in rematch as he figured Kovalev out by the end and not vice versa.

You are correct

It's complete bollocks. If Kovalev could have stopped him the first time he would of, 100%. His fanboys make out Kov decided not to knock him out because he thought he'd done enough!? Behave!

...of course, if he could of he would of...the contention being though that Kovalev probably realised that nicking the rounds is not good enough and he should go for a kill..

[lillywhite14]

I always hated that excuse. He should've stopped him the first time, Mr. knockout king Kovalev who relied on the judges. Not buying it. Ward beats him in rematch as he figured Kovalev out by the end and not vice versa.

You are correct

It's complete bollocks. If Kovalev could have stopped him the first time he would of, 100%. His fanboys make out Kov decided not to knock him out because he thought he'd done enough!? Behave!

Ward getting that KO this time?

To be fair, I'm sure I said I had a weird fancy for Ward to stop him late. It's not like I was adamant it was going to happen...or was I?

I picked Ward by UD this time. Kov isn't made of solid rock though, I'm convinced of that.

[darkstar81]

Ward is simply smarter. Think he wins this.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward is simply smarter.

That is exactly what confuses the minority who think that Ward won the first fight. They ASSUME that Ward is "smarter"/"master technician"/etc. while he isn't compared to Kovalev.

[Badhusker]

Ward is smarter, and a better technician. He will win again, and Krusher fans will cry even harder.

[darkstar81]

Ward is simply smarter.

That is exactly what confuses the minority who think that Ward won the first fight. They ASSUME that Ward is "smarter"/"master technician"/etc. while he isn't compared to Kovalev.

Ward is smarter than Kovalev.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward is simply smarter.

That is exactly what confuses the minority who think that Ward won the first fight. They ASSUME that Ward is "smarter"/"master technician"/etc. while he isn't compared to Kovalev.

Ward is smarter than Kovalev.

#DUMMYGRAPHIC

[darkstar81]

That is exactly what confuses the minority who think that Ward won the first fight. They ASSUME that Ward is "smarter"/"master technician"/etc. while he isn't compared to Kovalev.

Ward is smarter than Kovalev.

#DUMMYGRAPHIC

It's not that hard to understand.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Kovalev is the better boxer, and it's not particularly close. More variety, more adaptability, quicker. Just better in every aspect except 'traditional' defensive skills, a deficit which hardly matters in this particular matchup when he's getting hit so little.

[Freedom2013]

https://twitter.com/mozfire/status/850782366339448832

[boxing_rocks]

Kovalev is the better boxer, and it's not particularly close. More variety, more adaptability, quicker. Just better in every aspect except 'traditional' defensive skills, a deficit which hardly matters in this particular matchup when he's getting hit so little.

Did you mean keeping his head below the waist ?

[Evander]

Size ... Ward will still have a problem.
When the big punches landed it was Kovalev who did the backing up it was clear he was stronger.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Size ... Ward will still have a problem.
When the big punches landed it was Kovalev who did the backing up it was clear he was stronger.

So? The stronger man doesn't get extra points unless he visibly hurts his opponent.
Kovalev only did that once.

[Badhusker]

I hope whoever wins, it is decisive and the correct decision. We don't need 50 or 60 new threads created by crying fans again.

That being said, Ward will win a decision. He is smarter, and will improve on his performance. Kovalev will fight the same, and lose again....worse this time.

[boxing_rocks]

Repeat "Ward is smarter" 100 times and it seems to become true :)

[lazboy]

Repeat "Ward is smarter" 100 times and it seems to become true :)

Thats what Ward repeats every morning whilst he's jerking off to a pic of himself.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Does anyone believe Kovalev's assertion that he overtrained for the 1st fight and was knackered from round 5 on ?

[lazboy]

Does anyone believe Kovalev's assertion that he overtrained for the 1st fight and was knackered from round 5 on ?

I do, I feel he's an honest, straight to the point. Obviously without knowing him. Saying he was knackered doesnt mean he lost all rounds past 5 though, just that he wasn't performing at his best, He also apologised for his performance. It's a good mentality to have, he wants to do better.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Does anyone believe Kovalev's assertion that he overtrained for the 1st fight and was knackered from round 5 on ?

I do, I feel he's an honest, straight to the point. Obviously without knowing him. Saying he was knackered doesnt mean he lost all rounds past 5 though, just that he wasn't performing at his best, He also apologised for his performance. It's a good mentality to have, he wants to do better.

He comes across as a stand up guy so I believe he believes it but I wonder if all the grappling tired him out more than he realizes and it was that rather than overtraining which sapped his energy

[lazboy]

Does anyone believe Kovalev's assertion that he overtrained for the 1st fight and was knackered from round 5 on ?

I do, I feel he's an honest, straight to the point. Obviously without knowing him. Saying he was knackered doesnt mean he lost all rounds past 5 though, just that he wasn't performing at his best, He also apologised for his performance. It's a good mentality to have, he wants to do better.

He comes across as a stand up guy so I believe he believes it but I wonder if all the grappling tired him out more than he realizes and it was that rather than overtraining which sapped his energy

I'm sure that had a big part too and I hope he's training for that. We pretty much know whats Wards going to do again and it is that (grappling) if traditional boxing isn't working. Even though I felt Kovalev one, it was close and I'd like to see Kovalev adapt to the grappling somehow, beat Ward at his game. How do you beat a spoiler? The only think i could suggest would be to lighten up on the punches and punch in volume, like what Calzaghe did to Hopkins, thats the only example I can think of off the top of my head.