Arum: Sergey Kovalev Request For Neutral Judges is Ridiculous!

[punchoutsb]

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores that used a trio of American judges to score each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

[Enlightened-One]

Was this request made in the first fight?

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores that used a trio of American judges to score each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

Address the facts that I listed and then I’ll answer your question again, since I’ve already responded to this point.

People like you keep asking me questions and also insulting me, to avoid addressing the facts of reality, as well as diverting the topic of discussion away from the information and evidence that I have supplied, since it does not concur with the way in which they “prefer” things to be.

Just so people don't get side-tracked by your meaningless question, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[punchoutsb]

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores that used a trio of American judges to score each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

Address the facts that I listed and then I’ll answer your question again, since I’ve already responded to this point.

People like you keep asking me questions and also insulting me, to avoid addressing the facts of reality, as well as diverting the topic of discussion away from the information and evidence that I have supplied since it does not concur with the way in which they “prefer” things to be.

You've never answered my question, you've avoided it because you know the unrelated facts you keep sharing are completely meaningless in terms of someone lodging a complaint. Your "argument", which I'm sure is very well formed in your own feeble mind, is that since Kovalev/Duva/whomever didn't complain about Kovalev getting screwed in the past that they have no right to complain now. Now the only fact that is actually important here is that Kovalev has NEVER had a reason to complain about judging before. Why is that so hard to understand? Aside from Andre Ward, which of the fights listed ended in a (if nothing else self perceived) controversial loss for Kovalev?

So, I ask again:

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

But we both know you won't answer it.

[Enlightened-One]

You've never answered my question, you've avoided it because you know the unrelated facts you keep sharing are completely meaningless in terms of someone lodging a complaint.

Kathy Duva managed the entirety of the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, coupled with the fact that no one from her company requested the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges and Main Events usually allow solely American judges to score bouts involving the Eastern European and Communist fighters from their stable.

The stats that I supplied prove this point, but you either don’t understand the evidence or choose to ignore it, since it undermines the integrity of Sergey Kovalev’s promoter.

Your "argument", which I'm sure is very well formed in your own feeble mind, is that since Kovalev/Duva/whomever didn't complain about Kovalev getting screwed in the past that they have no right to complain now.

When I said I’d already answered this question multiple times, I meant it.

Due to the fact that you’re a lazy fúckíng twát, I’ll quote the words that I've previously posted in this thread that you refuse to read that addresses your nonsense claim:

I also admit that Sergey has every right to feel aggrieved at incurring a disputable loss on his resume.

Kathy Duva labouring about the issue now, armed with the benefit of hindsight, seems like sour grapes to me, because they made the same decision for the Ward fight that they have previously made for multiple contests, but in this instance, things didn’t go their own way.

Now the only fact that is actually important here is that Kovalev has NEVER had a reason to complain about judging before.

As per the above.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I can’t understand why you can’t fúckíng read? You keep asking questions that have been answered multiple times and then dishonestly claiming that I keep refusing to answer them.

Aside from Andre Ward, which of the fights listed ended in a (if nothing else self perceived) controversial loss for Kovalev?

This question has no relevance and is utterly moronic! You can’t spend the vast majority of your professional career voluntarily allowing American judges to score your fights without complaint and then shed copious amounts of tears and also make all sorts of racial/criminal accusations when things don’t go your way.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

But we both know you won't answer it.

Stop acting like a fúckíng lying lazy twát! I have answered this question multiple times!

Just so people don't get side-tracked by your meaningless questions, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[MachoTime]

You've never answered my question, you've avoided it because you know the unrelated facts you keep sharing are completely meaningless in terms of someone lodging a complaint.

Kathy Duva managed the entirety of the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, coupled with the fact that no one from her company requested the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges and Main Events usually allow solely American judges to score bouts involving the Eastern European and Communist fighters from their stable.

The stats that I supplied prove this point, but you either don’t understand the evidence or choose to ignore it, since it undermines the integrity of Sergey Kovalev’s promoter.

Your "argument", which I'm sure is very well formed in your own feeble mind, is that since Kovalev/Duva/whomever didn't complain about Kovalev getting screwed in the past that they have no right to complain now.

When I said I’d already answered this question multiple times, I meant it.

Due to the fact that you’re a lazy fúckíng twát, I’ll quote the words that I've previously posted in this thread that you refuse to read that addresses your nonsense claim:

I also admit that Sergey has every right to feel aggrieved at incurring a disputable loss on his resume.

Kathy Duva labouring about the issue now, armed with the benefit of hindsight, seems like sour grapes to me, because they made the same decision for the Ward fight that they have previously made for multiple contests, but in this instance, things didn’t go their own way.

Now the only fact that is actually important here is that Kovalev has NEVER had a reason to complain about judging before.

As per the above.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I can’t understand why you can’t fúckíng read? You keep asking questions that have been answered multiple times and then dishonestly claiming that I keep refusing to answer them.

Aside from Andre Ward, which of the fights listed ended in a (if nothing else self perceived) controversial loss for Kovalev?

This question has no relevance and is utterly moronic! You can’t spend the vast majority of your professional career voluntarily allowing American judges to score your fights without complaint and then shed copious amounts of tears and also make all sorts of racial/criminal accusations when things don’t go your way.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

But we both know you won't answer it.

Stop acting like a fúckíng lying lazy twát! I have answered this question multiple times!

Just so people don't get side-tracked by your meaningless questions, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

How do you figure 69% why not round it up to 70% ?

[punchoutsb]

You've never answered my question, you've avoided it because you know the unrelated facts you keep sharing are completely meaningless in terms of someone lodging a complaint.

Kathy Duva managed the entirety of the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, coupled with the fact that no one from her company requested the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges and Main Events usually allow solely American judges to score bouts involving the Eastern European and Communist fighters from their stable.

The stats that I supplied prove this point, but you either don’t understand the evidence or choose to ignore it, since it undermines the integrity of Sergey Kovalev’s promoter.

Your "argument", which I'm sure is very well formed in your own feeble mind, is that since Kovalev/Duva/whomever didn't complain about Kovalev getting screwed in the past that they have no right to complain now.

When I said I’d already answered this question multiple times, I meant it.

Due to the fact that you’re a lazy fúckíng twát, I’ll quote the words that I've previously posted in this thread that you refuse to read that addresses your nonsense claim:

I also admit that Sergey has every right to feel aggrieved at incurring a disputable loss on his resume.

Kathy Duva labouring about the issue now, armed with the benefit of hindsight, seems like sour grapes to me, because they made the same decision for the Ward fight that they have previously made for multiple contests, but in this instance, things didn’t go their own way.

Now the only fact that is actually important here is that Kovalev has NEVER had a reason to complain about judging before.

As per the above.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I can’t understand why you can’t fúckíng read? You keep asking questions that have been answered multiple times and then dishonestly claiming that I keep refusing to answer them.

Aside from Andre Ward, which of the fights listed ended in a (if nothing else self perceived) controversial loss for Kovalev?

This question has no relevance and is utterly moronic! You can’t spend the vast majority of your professional career voluntarily allowing American judges to score your fights without complaint and then shed copious amounts of tears and also make all sorts of racial/criminal accusations when things don’t go your way.

How far in advance of a controversial event should one begin to complain since complaining after the controversial event is incompatible with not complaining before the controversial event?

But we both know you won't answer it.

Stop acting like a fúckíng lying lazy twát! I have answered this question multiple times!

Just so people don't get side-tracked by your meaningless questions, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

All this shite and you STILL didn't answer the question. You are pathetic, truly. Even for an internet troll you are pathetic.

[Enlightened-One]

All this shite and you STILL didn't answer the question. You are pathetic, truly. Even for an internet troll you are pathetic

It seems to me, based on your persistent behaviour, that your strategy to avoid addressing facts that are irrefutable in nature is to employ diversionary tactics to change the topic of the conversation. If that works for you, then good luck!

At least I had the courtesy to answer your question multiple times, since I was armed with knowledge of the subject matter.

Just so people don't get side-tracked by your meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[punchoutsb]

At least I had the courtesy to answer your question multiple times, since I was armed with knowledge of the subject matter.

You still haven't answered my question.

I also admit that Sergey has every right to feel aggrieved at incurring a disputable loss on his resume.

Kathy Duva labouring about the issue now, armed with the benefit of hindsight, seems like sour grapes to me, because they made the same decision for the Ward fight that they have previously made for multiple contests, but in this instance, things didn’t go their own way.

You posted these as if they are the answer....these posts are the reason WHY I asked the question you moron.



Shall we try again?

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[punchoutsb]

Well eo, now that you've admitted you were wrong and your learning/mental disabilities are beginning to shine through I won't be quoting you again. I don't want the good members of boxrec to associate me with you and I also feel kind of guilty for picking on a retarted person. Enjoy your crawl away and I'll enjoy blocking you from here on out; no point cluttering up my experience here with your wet poo drivel posts

[asdfjkl]

I'm surprised so many people didn't see this coming. Even before the fight happened I predicted the Russian, or Eastern Europe guy would get robbed since the fight happens in America. Americans allways cheat, can't play fair, aren't that good in competition and at the same time occuse the Russians wrongly from that thing.

It's all predicted beforehand and ofcourse an American boxer doesn't dare to face fair judges.

[asdfjkl]

Here a topic from before the fight

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... t=kovaleva

Only 13% of the voters expected the American refs to be fair. And that's just "fair", let alone help Kovalev.

[Ossyrules]

I agree with the point of having neutral judges. But is the really a such thing as neutral judges. Every judge has a questionable fight scored. Bring them from another country doesn't stop corruption. You know what stops it? Kovalev doing what he said he will do. He does the job the judges won't matter.

Everything within reason to strive for neutral judgement is reasonable

Was this request made in the first fight?

No idea.

I agree with your sentiments re "what is neutral" and "country doesn't stop corruption"

But if using at least one judge from a neutral country is seen as some kind of compromise between the fighters, it's a reasonable step to take

[Ossyrules]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

This is at least the 3rd this post has been duplicated.looks all well and good, researched etc

But there's not a single point to say having neutral judges is unreasonable. Which is what this thread asks

Unless that can be answered, which is won't, stop padding the thread out with the same massive post

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

This is at least the 3rd this post has been duplicated.looks all well and good, researched etc

But there's not a single point to say having neutral judges is unreasonable. Which is what this thread asks

Unless that can be answered, which is won't, stop padding the thread out with the same massive post

I've already answered your question, but it seems you're employing diversionary tactics to avoid discussing the facts that I have listed, which support Bob's opinion. Do you need me to provide the same answer to your question multiple times or will you actually make an effort to read my words, whilst retracting your meaningless accusation?

The facts that I have provided support the claims that Bob Arum has made verbatim, which means that they are on topic.

You are not discussing Bon Arum's comments and nor are you willing to discuss the facts that support his claims, instead you keep padding out this thread by repeating the same question over-and-over again, despite the fact that it has already been answered.

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[caldo2025]

Well eo, now that you've admitted you were wrong and your learning/mental disabilities are beginning to shine through I won't be quoting you again. I don't want the good members of boxrec to associate me with you and I also feel kind of guilty for picking on a retarted person. Enjoy your crawl away and I'll enjoy blocking you from here on out; no point cluttering up my experience here with your wet poo drivel posts

I've gotten drawn into similar exchanges with that dope too but you were smarter than me to bow out before pulling your hair out. That was impressive.

[asdfjkl]

All Kovalev is asking is a neutral referee, not a Russian, not a KKK fan, just a neutral person, that's all?

Running away scared from that proves that the Americans are massive cowards, despite having so many unfair advantages already.

[lazboy]

Congratulations Enlightened One you have clogged and ruined another opinion thread. My time was wasted. I expect to be compensated for my loss. Please provide me your home address and banking details. You may private me in the interest of privacy.

[Enlightened-One]

Congratulations Enlightened One you have clogged and ruined another opinion thread. My time was wasted. I expect to be compensated for my loss. Please provide me your home address and banking details. You may private me in the interest of privacy.

I find it funny that people are genuinely offended by the facts that I supply, but refuse to address them head-on. Instead they use the following dishonest debating tactics to undermine the perceived “value” of the evidence, knowing full-well that the facts themselves cannot be refuted:

• Attacking the arguer and not the argument, via name calling, to diminish the value of the argument
• “X must exist, because if it didn’t then how could Y be possible!” despite the absence of evidence
• Straw man: making a caricature out of a position or fabricating a fictional stance in order to make it easier to attack the arguer – not their words
• Mockery, derision and ridicule: No facts or logic instead of justifying the use of the dismissive language
• Dismissing a perceived failure to abandon one's position because “you just don’t get it”
• Badgering, which is repeating the same tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent
• Simply claiming that you're wrong without explaining the reasons why or providing evidence to the contrary
• Changing the subject when the troll is losing the argument to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

We’ve seen all of these tactics employed in this thread, with the vast majority of the responses being off-topic, since they don’t directly relate to the thread title or the facts that support Bob Arum's claims.

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[lazboy]

Congratulations Enlightened One you have clogged and ruined another opinion thread. My time was wasted. I expect to be compensated for my loss. Please provide me your home address and banking details. You may private me in the interest of privacy.

I find it funny that people are genuinely offended by the facts that I supply, but refuse to address them head-on. Instead they use the following dishonest debating tactics to undermine the perceived “value” of the evidence, knowing full-well that the facts themselves cannot be refuted:

• Attacking the arguer and not the argument, via name calling, to diminish the value of the argument
• “X must exist, because if it didn’t then how could Y be possible!” despite the absence of evidence
• Straw man: making a caricature out of a position or fabricating a fictional stance in order to make it easier to attack the arguer – not their words
• Mockery, derision and ridicule: No facts or logic instead of justifying the use of the dismissive language
• Dismissing a perceived failure to abandon one's position because “you just don’t get it”
• Badgering, which is repeating the same tactic again and again in an attempt to wear out the opponent
• Simply claiming that you're wrong without explaining the reasons why or providing evidence to the contrary
• Changing the subject when the troll is losing the argument to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

We’ve seen all of these tactics employed in this thread, with the vast majority of the responses being off-topic, since they don’t directly relate to the thread title or the facts that support Bob Arum's claims.

You refuse to answer even the simplest of questions..this is what you have demonstrated. I am now giving you one opportunity to redeem yourself. Just answer this one simple question. What is the PIN number for your bank account.

[Enlightened-One]

You refuse to answer even the simplest of questions..this is what you have demonstrated. I am now giving you one opportunity to redeem yourself. What is the PIN number for your bank account.

You can't read and your trolling proves a point I've already expressed in my thread. Thanks for that!

[Enlightened-One]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

[Ossyrules]

Just so people don't get side-tracked by meaningless trolling, here are the facts again...

Main Events managed the promotion for the first Kovalev-Ward fight and they did not request the NSAC to appoint any non-American judges.

We know for certain that Sergey Kovalev has previously engaged in at least TWENTY TWO bouts on US shores where solely American judges scored each contest, which equates to 69% of the fights listed on his resume:
• Andre Ward
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Bernard Hopkins
• Blake Caparello
• Cedric Agnew
• Cornelius White
• Gabriel Campillo
• Lionell Thompson
• Darnell Boone (twice)
• Grover Young
• Terrance Woods
• Julius Fogle
• William Johnson
• Dallas Vargas
• Kia Daniels
• Harley Kilfian
• Micky Stackhouse
• Ayodeji Fadeyi
• Michael Birthmark
• Darryl Johnson
• Daniel Chavez

It is commonplace for Main Events to use judges exclusively from America to officiate bouts for her stable of Eastern European and Communist fighters, such as: Tomasz Adamek, Vyacheslav Glaszkov, Sullivan Barrera, Vasily Lepikhin, Arif Magomedov, Madiyar Ashkeyev, Enriko Gogokhia and Dmitry Mikhaylenko.

As the A-side for the first Kovalev-Ward fight, Kathy Duva agreed to using American judges... and no one from Team Krusher or from Main Events complained about the issue during the build-up/promotion of the bout.

This is at least the 3rd this post has been duplicated.looks all well and good, researched etc

But there's not a single point to say having neutral judges is unreasonable. Which is what this thread asks

Unless that can be answered, which is won't, stop padding the thread out with the same massive post

I've already answered your question, but it seems you're employing diversionary tactics to avoid discussing the facts that I have listed, which support Bob's opinion. Do you need me to provide the same answer to your question multiple times or will you actually make an effort to read my words, whilst retracting your meaningless accusation?

The facts that I have provided support the claims that Bob Arum has made verbatim, which means that they are on topic.

You are not discussing Bon Arum's comments and nor are you willing to discuss the facts that support his claims, instead you keep padding out this thread by repeating the same question over-and-over again, despite the fact that it has already been answered.

I'm not using diversionary tactics, I'm sticking to the question you can't answer. The closest you get is basically, he hasn't had them in the past, so why now. Why should it ever be a problem is the point though.

Don't answer by copy and pasting the same post for a 5th or 6th time. As that literally is trolling.