Andre Ward vs. Sergey Kovalev II on June 17

[boxing_rocks]

Kovalev mainly meant that he over-thought/over-estimated Ward, and over-training was just a reflection of that. This time, he plans to be more relaxed.

I disagree that he should put less weight into his punches replacing it with volume. That would again let judges decide his destiny, and he would need to win at least 10 rounds (or 9 plus a KD) to get a decision. Of course, he shouldn't be preoccupied with a KO and put his full power in every punch. Basically, he needs to fight like he fought everybody else except Hopkins, and Ward will go down.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Kovalev mainly meant that he over-thought/over-estimated Ward, and over-training was just a reflection of that. This time, he plans to be more relaxed.

I disagree that he should put less weight into his punches replacing it with volume. That would again let judges decide his destiny, and he would need to win at least 10 rounds (or 9 plus a KD) to get a decision. Of course, he shouldn't be preoccupied with a KO and put his full power in every punch. Basically, he needs to fight like he fought everybody else except Hopkins, and Ward will go down.

[Best Coast]

Ward by close decision but not as close as before!!

[boxing_rocks]

Ward by close decision but not as close as before!!

Before it wasn't close. Kovalev won 7-8 rounds, plus KD.

[Blodhemn]

"Be ready motherfucker! I'll finish your boxing career." - Kovalev. Please live up to this statement and get rid of that boxing stain once and for all. It won't take much as Son of Judges was crying about retirement after the first fight. Just do it. End this POS.

[boxing_rocks]

"Be ready motherfucker! I'll finish your boxing career." - Kovalev. Please live up to this statement and get rid of that boxing stain once and for all. It won't take much as Son of Judges was crying about retirement after the first fight. Just do it. End this POS.

[MachoTime]

I have a new prediction. Kovalev wins by the rematch by close or split decision. Paving the way for Kovalev vs. Ward III...

[Enlightened-One]

Ward by close decision but not as close as before!!

Before it wasn't close. Kovalev won 7-8 rounds, plus KD.

Anybody can put together lists like that to fulfil their agenda:
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
• Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• BS: 114-113 Ward
• Branson Wright (The Plain Dealer): 114-113 Ward
• Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
• Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
• Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 114-113 Ward
• Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• George Willis (NY Post): 114-113 Ward
• Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Ward
• Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
• Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine): 114-113 Ward
• Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
• New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
• Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
• Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
• Phil D. Jay (WBN – World Boxing News): 114-113 Ward
• Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
• Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• The Ring: 114-113 Ward
• Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 114-113 Ward
• USA Today: 114-113, Ward
• Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
• WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
• Yahoo! Sports: 114-113, Ward
• Steve Bunce (The Independent): Ward
• Ishe Smith (Fight-Hype): Ward

[boxing_rocks]

You demonstrated how biased you are again by picking just one side.

[Enlightened-One]

You demonstrated how biased you are again by picking just one side.

That was intentional if you'd bothered to read the very first sentence in my post. I was trying to prove a point.

[boxing_rocks]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206456

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

60 TOTAL SCORES POLLED FROM MEDIA

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW + 2%

[Enlightened-One]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206456

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

60 TOTAL SCORES POLLED FROM MEDIA

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW + 2%

Well I listed over 30 scores favouring Ward, with negligible effort, which means that the stats in the article you quoted are meaningless.

I could probably find another fifteen media scores to support Ward if I wanted to.

Quoting someone else's confirmation bias or incorrect stats is not intelligent, especially if you've been lazy and made no effort to verify the accuracy of the claims you've supported.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206456

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

60 TOTAL SCORES POLLED FROM MEDIA

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW + 2%

Well I listed over 30 scores favouring Ward, with negligible effort, which means that the stats in the article you quoted are meaningless.

I could probably find another fifteen media scores to support Ward if I wanted to.

Quoting someone else's confirmation bias or incorrect stats is not intelligent, especially if you've been lazy and made no effort to verify the accuracy of the claims you've supported.

Yo bro, these dudes say Ward was the one holding ... they are NEVER going to say the fight was even close.

This whole board is gone from people trying to prove their point,
to people trying to defend the mainstream opinion.

Convinced we are arguing with HBO/TR/GBP employees.

[asdfjkl]

Everybody knew Kovalev had to score the KO to win:http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... t=kovaleva
Somehow Kovalev only knocked him down once and won most of the rounds, in America, against an American, while being born in a different country, proving you're the best alone simply isn't enough, you have to KO him so the refs can't protect him. Look at Tyson Fury vs that American guy, people in America still think the American guy should have won. Despite being KOed in 5 rounds or so.

[asdfjkl]

Everybody knew Kovalev had to score the KO to win: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... t=kovaleva
Somehow Kovalev only knocked him down once and won most of the rounds, in America, against an American, while being born in a different country, proving you're the best alone simply isn't enough, you have to KO him so the refs can't protect him. Look at Tyson Fury vs that American guy, people in America still think the American guy should have won. Despite being KOed in 5 rounds or so.

[Tanzio]

could you repeat that (for the 1,000th time)? SOGgy on the Brain.

[caldo2025]

It will be interesting to see how hard Kovalev pushes to end this fight without the judges being involved. Does it work or does it backfire and Ward shocks us all with a late KO because of it. THAT could very well happen as we've all seen it. Safe to say, a Ward KO in this one moves him into legendary status. I'm still in Kovalev's corner in this one and hope that he puts this clown on his ass for good. They took a perfect record away from Kovalev IMO and now someone needs to pay.

[Bard of Boxrec]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206456

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

60 TOTAL SCORES POLLED FROM MEDIA

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW + 2%

Well I listed over 30 scores favouring Ward, with negligible effort, which means that the stats in the article you quoted are meaningless.

I could probably find another fifteen media scores to support Ward if I wanted to.

Quoting someone else's confirmation bias or incorrect stats is not intelligent, especially if you've been lazy and made no effort to verify the accuracy of the claims you've supported.

Isn't the idea of the media poll that it's fairly representative of how experts thought it went down...?

Maybe I could find some extra scores for Kovalev that would render your point worthless?

[Enlightened-One]

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206456

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

Well I listed over 30 scores favouring Ward, with negligible effort, which means that the stats in the article you quoted are meaningless.

I could probably find another fifteen media scores to support Ward if I wanted to.

Quoting someone else's confirmation bias or incorrect stats is not intelligent, especially if you've been lazy and made no effort to verify the accuracy of the claims you've supported.

Maybe I could find some extra scores for Kovalev that would render your point worthless?

If you you did provide extra scores, regardless as to whom was the fighter deemed to be the deserving winner, then that would actually strengthen my point!

I'm not sure if you understood the point I was trying to make.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I'm not sure if you understood the point I was trying to make.

Well, if that's the case, i definitely wouldn't be the first

[boxing_rocks]

For any poll, even so called "scientific" ones, one can find more respondents. By itself, it never proves that an original poll results were inaccurate.

[crusader]

It is kind of funny, because back when ferg was trying to argue against a Canelo-Lara rematch he cited CompuBox and a list of media scores in which the percentage split was 34 Canelo, 30 Lara, and 36 even. For some reason, he thought media scores were a big deal, and that the 'majority' for Canelo strongly supported his argument, but now a comparable poll which doesn't support his fighter of favour is worthless!

That's bias for you

[Freedom2013]

Ward tries to headbutt Kovalev:

[Freedom2013]

Jab and grab



Upper body clinch

[boxing_rocks]

People who call this dirty clincher a p4p #1 are just nuts.