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[p4p1]

Now Woodley is a knockout artist? He's only got 6 stoppages in his career, he's a wrestler with one big punch in him. I'd make him a big favorite over Conor because he's so much bigger and stronger but he'd best take Conor down or he's in the one place he's not the big fish in. He doesn't knock Nate out either.

Just like he wouldn't knock Lawler out? Just like he wouldn't knock Wonderboy senseless twice? I don't like the guy but his right hand is every bit as good and one dimensional as Conor's left hand. He would knock Nate effing Senseless, Nate is barely if at all a top 5 LW and has become even more overrated that he was before since his two fights against McGregor.

More like how he didn't knock out Wonderboy twice...or Gastelum, or Rory, or Ben Judd, or Nate...etc etc etc. He's got a good right hand, Hendo-lite. He's not near as good a striker as you're making him out to be.

Nor is Conor's striking as good as you're making it out to be. Diaz hurt Conor in both fights, Woodley is faster and stronger. Woodley has shown that his striking as really come along in the last few years and although they were boring as fornicate, the Wonderboy fights showed he's pretty competent with his defence. Conor is far more hittable than Wonderboy, not as long, not as tough, not as fit, not as strong etc. the striking comes down to Conor's left hand against Woodleys right hand. They both have one weapon when striking. Woodley is bigger, stronger, faster and importantly just as long. If Woodley decided to wrestle it's going to hit the ground he's too big and strong.

There's nothing wrong with that he's a bigger guy but let's not pretend that McGregor transcends weight classes. The first time in the UFC he didn't have a size advantage he lost, the second time he scrapped by an MD against the same gatekeeper he lost to.

[jujigatame]

I am sick to death of McGregor at this point. He went 1-1 against Diaz with the loss much more decisive than the victory. Ferguson, Khabib, and even Barboza would give him very tough fights. But instead he acts like he's "above" the division now despite not defending the title even once. Not to mention the whole division is getting held up over this Mayweather nonsense. Besides Conor McGregor's accountant, who wants to see that fight?

[punchoutsb]

Just like he wouldn't knock Lawler out? Just like he wouldn't knock Wonderboy senseless twice? I don't like the guy but his right hand is every bit as good and one dimensional as Conor's left hand. He would knock Nate effing Senseless, Nate is barely if at all a top 5 LW and has become even more overrated that he was before since his two fights against McGregor.

More like how he didn't knock out Wonderboy twice...or Gastelum, or Rory, or Ben Judd, or Nate...etc etc etc. He's got a good right hand, Hendo-lite. He's not near as good a striker as you're making him out to be.

Nor is Conor's striking as good as you're making it out to be. Diaz hurt Conor in both fights, Woodley is faster and stronger. Woodley has shown that his striking as really come along in the last few years and although they were boring as eff, the Wonderboy fights showed he's pretty competent with his defence. Conor is far more hittable than Wonderboy, not as long, not as tough, not as fit, not as strong etc. the striking comes down to Conor's left hand against Woodleys right hand. They both have one weapon when striking. Woodley is bigger, stronger, faster and importantly just as long. If Woodley decided to wrestle it's going to hit the ground he's too big and strong.

There's nothing wrong with that he's a bigger guy but let's not pretend that McGregor transcends weight classes. The first time in the UFC he didn't have a size advantage he lost, the second time he scrapped by an MD against the same gatekeeper he lost to.

I'm not making Conors striking out to be anything more than it is; better than Woodleys. Woodley will wrestle Mac to death, his chance for a stoppage win would go up after wrestling Conor for a while and tiring him out. If he tries to strike with a fresh Conor to prove something it will not end well for him. Has Woodley ever stopped a top level guy that wasn't shot old Robbie? I'm sick of both Conor and Woodley and couldn't care less who wins if they meet. I'm just sharing my opinion and I think Tyron's striking has been really overrated.

[jujigatame]

"Shot old Robbie" took big shots from Rory Mac, Hendricks, and Condit without taking a nap the way he did against Woodley.

Woodley isn't the best striker but he has serious power. And the only guy to KO him was Nate Marquardt who weighs like 200 pounds. He does have trouble with range and distance but at 5'9" I dunno how much advantage Conor can make of that.

[punchoutsb]

"Shot old Robbie" took big shots from Rory Mac, Hendricks, and Condit without taking a nap the way he did against Woodley.

Woodley isn't the best striker but he has serious power. And the only guy to KO him was Nate Marquardt who weighs like 200 pounds. He does have trouble with range and distance but at 5'9" I dunno how much advantage Conor can make of that.

That he did, and from a lot more and from a lot more than just those three too. And those shots add up; that's how a fighter gets old and shot.

I'm not saying Tyron lacks power, I called him Hendo-lite for a reason. But he is not a striker--he's a wrestler with a good punch. Conor is a better striker, but gives up size, cardio, and strength which is my entire point. Woodley would be a fool to duke it out with Conor from the start; why put yourself in virtually the only space where you could lose?

[Impractical Poster]

"Shot old Robbie" took big shots from Rory Mac, Hendricks, and Condit without taking a nap the way he did against Woodley.

Woodley isn't the best striker but he has serious power. And the only guy to KO him was Nate Marquardt who weighs like 200 pounds. He does have trouble with range and distance but at 5'9" I dunno how much advantage Conor can make of that.

That he did, and from a lot more and from a lot more than just those three too. And those shots add up; that's how a fighter gets old and shot.

I'm not saying Tyron lacks power, I called him Hendo-lite for a reason. But he is not a striker--he's a wrestler with a good punch. Conor is a better striker, but gives up size, cardio, and strength which is my entire point. Woodley would be a fool to duke it out with Conor from the start; why put yourself in virtually the only space where you could lose?

Not that you need my affirmation, but I agree with this. The reason Nate was able to hurt Conor was because Nate was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment which tired Conor out. Conor showed that when fresh, he was the better striker of he and Nate. Woodley would absolutely be wise to wear Conor down and then hammer him upstairs. Woodley's speed would make things interesting on the feet from the onset. But, Conor has fantastic reflexes and impressive accuracy when fresh. Why take that risk? Close distance intelligently, grab a single or double, use your superior size and technique to secure the take down and wear Conor out on the ground. Then when he's nice and worn down, when it gets back to the feet, unleash that right.

I know.....easier said than done.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

More like how he didn't knock out Wonderboy twice...or Gastelum, or Rory, or Ben Judd, or Nate...etc etc etc. He's got a good right hand, Hendo-lite. He's not near as good a striker as you're making him out to be.

Nor is Conor's striking as good as you're making it out to be. Diaz hurt Conor in both fights, Woodley is faster and stronger. Woodley has shown that his striking as really come along in the last few years and although they were boring as eff, the Wonderboy fights showed he's pretty competent with his defence. Conor is far more hittable than Wonderboy, not as long, not as tough, not as fit, not as strong etc. the striking comes down to Conor's left hand against Woodleys right hand. They both have one weapon when striking. Woodley is bigger, stronger, faster and importantly just as long. If Woodley decided to wrestle it's going to hit the ground he's too big and strong.

There's nothing wrong with that he's a bigger guy but let's not pretend that McGregor transcends weight classes. The first time in the UFC he didn't have a size advantage he lost, the second time he scrapped by an MD against the same gatekeeper he lost to.

I'm not making Conors striking out to be anything more than it is; better than Woodleys. Woodley will wrestle Mac to death, his chance for a stoppage win would go up after wrestling Conor for a while and tiring him out. If he tries to strike with a fresh Conor to prove something it will not end well for him. Has Woodley ever stopped a top level guy that wasn't shot old Robbie? I'm sick of both Conor and Woodley and couldn't care less who wins if they meet. I'm just sharing my opinion and I think Tyron's striking has been really overrated.

P4p refuses to acknowledge that Conor has talent. Very knowledgeable on the sport, but he's completely irrational when it comes to McGregor.

[p4p1]

Nor is Conor's striking as good as you're making it out to be. Diaz hurt Conor in both fights, Woodley is faster and stronger. Woodley has shown that his striking as really come along in the last few years and although they were boring as eff, the Wonderboy fights showed he's pretty competent with his defence. Conor is far more hittable than Wonderboy, not as long, not as tough, not as fit, not as strong etc. the striking comes down to Conor's left hand against Woodleys right hand. They both have one weapon when striking. Woodley is bigger, stronger, faster and importantly just as long. If Woodley decided to wrestle it's going to hit the ground he's too big and strong.

There's nothing wrong with that he's a bigger guy but let's not pretend that McGregor transcends weight classes. The first time in the UFC he didn't have a size advantage he lost, the second time he scrapped by an MD against the same gatekeeper he lost to.

I'm not making Conors striking out to be anything more than it is; better than Woodleys. Woodley will wrestle Mac to death, his chance for a stoppage win would go up after wrestling Conor for a while and tiring him out. If he tries to strike with a fresh Conor to prove something it will not end well for him. Has Woodley ever stopped a top level guy that wasn't shot old Robbie? I'm sick of both Conor and Woodley and couldn't care less who wins if they meet. I'm just sharing my opinion and I think Tyron's striking has been really overrated.

P4p refuses to acknowledge that Conor has talent. Very knowledgeable on the sport, but he's completely irrational when it comes to McGregor.

No I've acknowledged that he has talent but he is still a one trick pony even with his striking. So is Woodley. They're both looking to counter off their power hands and apart from that they don't have much else in their striking game.

[Impractical Poster]

I'm not making Conors striking out to be anything more than it is; better than Woodleys. Woodley will wrestle Mac to death, his chance for a stoppage win would go up after wrestling Conor for a while and tiring him out. If he tries to strike with a fresh Conor to prove something it will not end well for him. Has Woodley ever stopped a top level guy that wasn't shot old Robbie? I'm sick of both Conor and Woodley and couldn't care less who wins if they meet. I'm just sharing my opinion and I think Tyron's striking has been really overrated.

P4p refuses to acknowledge that Conor has talent. Very knowledgeable on the sport, but he's completely irrational when it comes to McGregor.

No I've acknowledged that he has talent but he is still a one trick pony even with his striking. So is Woodley. They're both looking to counter off their power hands and apart from that they don't have much else in their striking game.

As much as it pains me to say it, McGregor is more than a one trick pony. In the sense that his stand-up game is his primary weapon and that his ground game is sub-par, in that sense I can see him being considered a one trick pony. But, his stand up is very multi faceted. He pressures well. Is extremely precise, has very nice power. Great reflexes. Sets up shots well. Moves well. But, when he gets winded, it seems to all go out the window. Huge flaw.

[p4p1]

P4p refuses to acknowledge that Conor has talent. Very knowledgeable on the sport, but he's completely irrational when it comes to McGregor.

No I've acknowledged that he has talent but he is still a one trick pony even with his striking. So is Woodley. They're both looking to counter off their power hands and apart from that they don't have much else in their striking game.

As much as it pains me to say it, McGregor is more than a one trick pony. In the sense that his stand-up game is his primary weapon and that his ground game is sub-par, in that sense I can see him being considered a one trick pony. But, his stand up is very multi faceted. He pressures well. Is extremely precise, has very nice power. Great reflexes. Sets up shots well. Moves well. But, when he gets winded, it seems to all go out the window. Huge flaw.

You do have a point however he's just not anywhere near as effective when pressuring guys. He's great when he is countering. Even when he's coming forward it still looking for one left hand shot, there's no power in his right hand. His kicks don't often work against elite competition. He's totally ineffective in close range. If he was a boxer we would be talking about how he only has one or two punches.

Huge flaw in his gas tank though, it'll cause him trouble once guys stop letting the moment get to him. My issue with McGregor is that he should be relatively easy to make ineffective for most guys at the top but they seem content to run into left hands/boxing with him at long range. Even in the second Diaz fight after all the training and special coaches he was still gassed after the second round.

[jujigatame]

I would still really like to see McGregor/Aldo II. Any fight that's over that fast has a bit of flukiness to it. Not that I'd favor Aldo to win a rematch, but much like the Cain/JDS trilogy I don't think that fight was necessarily representative of how future fights between them would go.

[Oiky]

I would still really like to see McGregor/Aldo II. Any fight that's over that fast has a bit of flukiness to it. Not that I'd favor Aldo to win a rematch, but much like the Cain/JDS trilogy I don't think that fight was necessarily representative of how future fights between them would go.

I wouldln't mind McGregor-Aldo 2 either

[p4p1]

I would still really like to see McGregor/Aldo II. Any fight that's over that fast has a bit of flukiness to it. Not that I'd favor Aldo to win a rematch, but much like the Cain/JDS trilogy I don't think that fight was necessarily representative of how future fights between them would go.

Everyone would like to see the rematch except Conor's fan boys. Also knows he fucked up last time and it would be interesting to see if he would bring a grappling heavy game plan or if he would strike smart and stay away from McGregors left hand.

[p4p1]

Anyone else think that Swanson is going to massacre Lobov?

[jujigatame]

Anyone else think that Swanson is going to massacre Lobov?

Absolutely. I have no clue why this fight was even made. Swanson may be past his prime now but he's still one of the best fighters in the division. Lobov is a C-level brawler.

I would have much rather seen a Swanson/Lamas rematch or something like that.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Anyone else think that Swanson is going to massacre Lobov?

Absolutely. I have no clue why this fight was even made. Swanson may be past his prime now but he's still one of the best fighters in the division. Lobov is a C-level brawler.

I would have much rather seen a Swanson/Lamas rematch or something like that.

Really weird match up, McGregor must have pushed for it. It's not top 5 most interesting fights on the card.

[Impractical Poster]

Anyone else think that Swanson is going to massacre Lobov?

Absolutely. I have no clue why this fight was even made. Swanson may be past his prime now but he's still one of the best fighters in the division. Lobov is a C-level brawler.

I would have much rather seen a Swanson/Lamas rematch or something like that.

I feel Swanson is in his prime. I really like him. He should take this one. Swanson is always great to watch for some high level entertainment.

[Impractical Poster]

No I've acknowledged that he has talent but he is still a one trick pony even with his striking. So is Woodley. They're both looking to counter off their power hands and apart from that they don't have much else in their striking game.

As much as it pains me to say it, McGregor is more than a one trick pony. In the sense that his stand-up game is his primary weapon and that his ground game is sub-par, in that sense I can see him being considered a one trick pony. But, his stand up is very multi faceted. He pressures well. Is extremely precise, has very nice power. Great reflexes. Sets up shots well. Moves well. But, when he gets winded, it seems to all go out the window. Huge flaw.

You do have a point however he's just not anywhere near as effective when pressuring guys. He's great when he is countering. Even when he's coming forward it still looking for one left hand shot, there's no power in his right hand. His kicks don't often work against elite competition. He's totally ineffective in close range. If he was a boxer we would be talking about how he only has one or two punches.

Huge flaw in his gas tank though, it'll cause him trouble once guys stop letting the moment get to him. My issue with McGregor is that he should be relatively easy to make ineffective for most guys at the top but they seem content to run into left hands/boxing with him at long range. Even in the second Diaz fight after all the training and special coaches he was still gassed after the second round.

I disagree about his pressuring. Especially while he was in the FW division. IE... Holloway, Siver, Brandau, even Alvarez at LW. His stance allows him to pressure while keeping a good distance and countering. It's a great stance. His pressuring, though, allowed a great grappler in Mendes to take him down on several occasions. However, I still feel his pressure was effective in that he was able to make Mendes uncomfortable and land heavy kicks to the body thus wearing him down prematurely. He was effectively pressuring Diaz as well, and landing, until he gassed.

[p4p1]

As much as it pains me to say it, McGregor is more than a one trick pony. In the sense that his stand-up game is his primary weapon and that his ground game is sub-par, in that sense I can see him being considered a one trick pony. But, his stand up is very multi faceted. He pressures well. Is extremely precise, has very nice power. Great reflexes. Sets up shots well. Moves well. But, when he gets winded, it seems to all go out the window. Huge flaw.

You do have a point however he's just not anywhere near as effective when pressuring guys. He's great when he is countering. Even when he's coming forward it still looking for one left hand shot, there's no power in his right hand. His kicks don't often work against elite competition. He's totally ineffective in close range. If he was a boxer we would be talking about how he only has one or two punches.

Huge flaw in his gas tank though, it'll cause him trouble once guys stop letting the moment get to him. My issue with McGregor is that he should be relatively easy to make ineffective for most guys at the top but they seem content to run into left hands/boxing with him at long range. Even in the second Diaz fight after all the training and special coaches he was still gassed after the second round.

I disagree about his pressuring. Especially while he was in the FW division. IE... Holloway, Siver, Brandau, even Alvarez at LW. His stance allows him to pressure while keeping a good distance and countering. It's a great stance. His pressuring, though, allowed a great grappler in Mendes to take him down on several occasions. However, I still feel his pressure was effective in that he was able to make Mendes uncomfortable and land heavy kicks to the body thus wearing him down prematurely. He was effectively pressuring Diaz as well, and landing, until he gassed.

Using Siver as an example, when pressuring Siver who was like a top 20 FW at the time(he was miraculously bumped up to 10 for that fight) he had to chase Siver around the cage for 2 rounds and even though he was landing he still had to beat Siver into submission. There was no one punch power like he has shown he can have while countering. Same thing happened with Diaz and Mendes. It seems to me that when he's pressuring guys and leading he still hits hard but not hard enough to put someone to sleep. That's why I say he not as effective when pressuring, he's also wide open for counters as Nate proved.

[Impractical Poster]

I'm expecting to hear Sanchez's retirement speech any fight now.

[p4p1]

I'm expecting to hear Sanchez's retirement speech any fight now.

His career was pretty much done when he decided to abandon any other skills he has and just march forward taking big shots while landing very little in return. It's a shame because he was talented.

I remember hearing about how great his fight with Melendez was but when I watched it he's just a fornicating punching bag. I hope he retires though I don't like seeing guys stick around too long and get serious injuries later on in life and with his style and lack of defence he's a prime candidate.

[Oiky]

Yea, time for Sanchez to pack it in now

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I hate Sanchez, louzon is the real warrior legend.

[zojo]

I'm expecting to hear Sanchez's retirement speech any fight now.

His career was pretty much done when he decided to abandon any other skills he has and just march forward taking big shots while landing very little in return. It's a shame because he was talented.

I remember hearing about how great his fight with Melendez was but when I watched it he's just a effing punching bag. I hope he retires though I don't like seeing guys stick around too long and get serious injuries later on in life and with his style and lack of defence he's a prime candidate.

I could easily see Sanchez being the subject of a "Where are they now" type of expose in the near future put together by an anti-MMA/UFC media organization.

Heck, ESPN doesn't televise MMA. Maybe they will do a 30 For 30 doc on Diego:

Narrator: "In 1994, Senator John McCain famously called UFC 'human cockfighting'. Since that time, the fighting organization has instituted more rules, weight classes, and some safety precautions. As a result, all 50 states have approved of hosting MMA cards."

Sanchez: "I was always an athletic and tough kid. I saw an ad asking for MMA fighters to join a new reality TV show. At least that's what my former manager tells me."

Narrator: "Diego joined the cast of The Ultimate Fighter. A reality show that brought cage fighting to the masses on free-TV. The owners of the UFC, at the time made millions of dollars due to the success of the show. The fighters were paid by a promise of a 'six-figure contract if they win."

Sanchez: "I'm skilled, but I saw other skilled fighters being cut from the UFC roster, or not signed in the first place, like Ben Askren. I thought, as long as I made my fights exciting, I'd never be cut and the money would keep coming in."

Narraotor: "To make the fights exciting, Sanchez kept the fight standing and brawled. Unfortunately, the amount of punishment Diego took has left him with CTE."

Sanchez: "The money's gone. I have called the UFC to see if I could get a desk job like Chuck and Matt, but they haven't returned my calls."

Narrator: "Back to the studio in Bristol, Chad, can you give us an update on how the boxing matches that were televised on ESPN2 panned out?"

[TheGman]

I'm expecting to hear Sanchez's retirement speech any fight now.

Its sad,i remember watching him win the first TUF and i was made up for the lad but now he sounds punch drunk and has very little to none head movement marching forward with his hands by his chest is a bad advert to youngsters on how to fight in an mma cage