AJ is now no 44 p4p here on boxrec

[man]

if he can defeat wlad, where would
that put him on that list? any guess?

[BitPlayer]

It depends.

[Lackeos]

If it were a win over prime Wlad, I'd put him in the top 5 p4p. But a win over an ambiguously past-prime Wlad is like... anywhere from #5-25, it's kind of hard to judge. If I were forced to come-up with a safe and likely close to accurate ranking, it'd probably be around #11.

Having said that, it's bad form to decide any ranking without knowing the margin of victory, let alone without having seen the fight. There's a world of difference between winning a split decision (114-113, 114-113, 111-116) and UD 120-105 x3. Wlad could look sharp, he could look like crap.

[Oiky]

Aj should be nowhere near even a close to the top p4p ranking anytime soon

[asdfjkl]

Rank 1, just like Wlad was a little while ago according to many.

[crusader]

Wlad lost 8-4/9-3 last fight, has been inactive for 18 months, and is 41.

He's not really a standout, P4P quality win anymore IMO, and this is coming at a very favourable time for AJ....

[RScarf1]

I did not realize Joshua was No. 44 on the P4P list. I am surprised considering he is No. 1 on the heavyweight list. He's only had 18 fights though. If he beats Klitschko, his P4P rating on BoxRec will skyrocket even though Klitschko is past his prime.

[gilgamesh]

if he can defeat wlad, where would
that put him on that list? any guess?

If he steamrolls through Wlad easily it probably at least puts him in the Top 25 at the very least. Past prime Wlad or not.

[man]

I did not realize Joshua was No. 44 on the P4P list. I am surprised considering he is No. 1 on the heavyweight list. He's only had 18 fights though. If he beats Klitschko, his P4P rating on BoxRec will skyrocket even though Klitschko is past his prime.

i was surprised as well. i do not think
it happened often that the no1 heavy
doesn't make top4o p4p and this hw
in particular has a KO ratio of 1oo%.

i do see why though, because in terms
of points wlad would still be ahead and
it is actually wlad's and fury's inactvity
that made joshua no1.

but still, lomachenko is 8-1 and no4 p4p.
my guess is defeating wlad will put AJ
around 15.

for the record i have only respect for the
ratings here on boxrec. overall they are
amazing and they are superobjective. two
things you rarely find. yes, sometimes the
ratings are debatable, but overall they are
amazing.

[crusader]

Loma has defeated far better opposition than AJ has, so it makes sense that he'd be much higher.

[lefty]

If Joshua stops Wlad within 4 or 5, I wonder how much Fury's victory over Klitschko would be diminished and forgetten about by the 'casuals'.

[man]

Loma has defeated far better opposition than AJ has, so it makes sense that he'd be much higher.

i agree and as i said i respect the
algorithm. nevertheless, had i not
known the rankings i would have
loma around 15 and joshua around
25.

[Kalan]

I wouldn't put any stock in Boxrec's rankings... Joshua ranked 44th overall and Abner Mares ranked as 23rd and he was shttcanned by Jhonny Gonzalez in a round -- by a guy who looked like an absolute rank amateur versus Gary Russell.. Where is Russell ranked on Boxrec's P4P or Featherweight list? Nowhere ... I guess because all the top Featherweights are ducking him -- and he's forced to fight 2nd raters, he just doesn't exist.

Then they have Amir Khan ranked 24th... Khan been beaten 4 times and knocked out 3 times.. He's actively ducking top Welterweights: Thurman, Brook, Garcia, and Spence... Maybe he'll fight light hitting Tim Bradley you think? ...Do you think if Spence knocks Brook out maybe he'll rethink that fight?? HELL no.. That will be another excuse for him to duck Brook.. So they have bloody duckers ranked 20 positions ahead of the Undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World -- who they rank number 1 at Heavyweight, a welcome change.

Where do they have Jim Jeffries ranked all time P4P??? He only beat Jim Corbett and Bob Fitzsimmons twice each.. also beat Tom Sharkey, Bob Armstrong, Peter Jackson, and Hank Griffin.. They have Antonio Tarver ranked ahead of him.. Tarver is also ranked ahead of Michael Spinks. Not that Tarver was not a great fighter but Spinks was undefeated Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion until his last fight... If you rank fighters by computer the one thing you have to remember is: good data in gets you good data out.

[RScarf1]

I see that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is No. 1 P4P all time on BoxRec and Sugar Ray Robinson is No. 2 which I don't agree with, but I think that BoxRec has the best ratings for boxing in general. Ring Magazine's ratings cannot be taken seriously anymore with their conflicts of interest and bias.

I usually just look at the ratings for the divisions rather than the P4P ratings whether it be active or all time. Canelo Alvarez should not be active No. 1 P4P, but he got the biased decision over Lara and that is why he is there. Overall, I agree with BoxRec ratings, but there are boxers who are rated high because of always having the judges on their side. This happens a lot in women's boxing because there is less scrutiny and it is usually not televised.

Of course, if Joshua wins by knockout over Klitschko, his P4P rating will be higher than if he just wins by decision. Obviously, Klitschko thinks that Joshua is the best active heavyweight which is why he wants to fight him in addition to getting some of his titles back. BoxRec rates Joshua No. 1 in the division and Ring rates him No. 5 (really No. 6 because Fury is still Ring champion). Ring also rates Klitschko No. 1. We'll see which rating system is right on April 29.

[Kalan]

I just find it veru interesting that Sonny Liston, 50-4...is ranked 14 slots behind Jack Sharkey, 37-13-3.. What computer tells you do do that?? Sharkey is well behind Liston in ring record, size, technical boxing ability, punching power, chin, length of career, and he lost his title by KO to one of the least respected Heavyweight Champions in Carnera.. Liston lost his to one of the most respected Heavyweight Champions..

Sharkey was held to a draw by 169-pound Mickey Walker and lost to guys nobody ever heard of.. Liston avenged his loss to Marty Marshall, where he suffered a broken jaw, and lost to Leotis Martin when he was older than dirt.. He has a 72% KO ratio and Sharkey had a 24% KO ratio.. Liston had an 84" reach according to Boxrec and Sharkey had a 76" reach.

Another thing I find curious -- Liston lost the rematch to Ali without getting a count from the referee -- who was trying to usher Ali to a neutral corner with Ali ignoring his orders.. Liston got up and resumed fighting when Ali went a safe distance away.. You have to put a glove on the canvas to get up so you don't want your opponent standing over you if there's a neutral corner rule in effect.. Although nobody can count you out but the referee---the commissioners made an exception in this case.. It was a stinky mess.

[Mexi-Box]

I did not realize Joshua was No. 44 on the P4P list. I am surprised considering he is No. 1 on the heavyweight list. He's only had 18 fights though. If he beats Klitschko, his P4P rating on BoxRec will skyrocket even though Klitschko is past his prime.

Rungvisai is under Gonzalez on most p4p lists even though he's now #1 in the division.

[RScarf1]

As I stated, BoxRec ratings are going to be affected by biased decisions from judges and also corrupt referees. Jack Sharkey is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame along with other boxers he defeated such as Tommy Loughran and Young Stribling. He did get knocked out by Carnera, but he did win their first fight. He has a win over Max Schmeling, although it was a controversial decision. He beat Harry Wills. Wins over these guys give him a higher rating than Sonny Liston. Sharkey drew with Mickey Walker who is also in the Hall of Fame. Sonny Liston beat Floyd Patterson twice, but he lost to Muhammad Ali twice. That's what the results were. I can say that the referee should not have stopped Meldrick Taylor's fight with Julio Cesar Chavez with two seconds left, but that's what happened. Taylor would have won if the fight was not stopped.

Rungvisai is rated No. 17 P4P on BoxRec and Roman Gonzalez is No. 19. I guess the people who make the other P4P lists which are not computer ratings believe that Gonzalez should have won which is why they rate Gonzalez ahead of Rungvisai on the P4P list or maybe they feel that Gonzalez is a better boxer, but moving to super flyweight has adversely affected him. In my opinion though, Rungvisai should be rated higher than Gonzalez on a P4P list unless Gonzalez can win the rematch.

[mullenman]

If klit beats Joshua is fury an all time great?

[RScarf1]

If klit beats Joshua is fury an all time great?

No, but I think Joshua is going to beat Klitschko. Fury should have had a second point deducted due to shots behind the head to Klitschko in the 12th round. It was a close fight even on the British commentator's scorecard. I unofficially scored it a draw, but if the referee would have deducted another point from Fury, then Klitschko would have won on my scorecard. Klitschko is past his prime, so wins over him at this point in his career are not enough to get into the Hall of Fame. Fury is going to have to do more than that. Fury did not make one title defense.

[TheGingerBomber]

Worst post I've ever seen. Klitschko won two rounds on a good day, and also tried his best to stick the nut on Fury. Klitschko hadn't fought such an awkward customer and didn't know how to handle it.

[man]

If klit beats Joshua is fury an all time great?

[greg]

If klit beats Joshua is fury an all time great?

...oh yes, sir! the one and only

[Kalan]

If klit beats Joshua is fury an all time great?

No, but I think Joshua is going to beat Klitschko. Fury should have had a second point deducted due to shots behind the head to Klitschko in the 12th round. It was a close fight even on the British commentator's scorecard. I unofficially scored it a draw, but if the referee would have deducted another point from Fury, then Klitschko would have won on my scorecard. Klitschko is past his prime, so wins over him at this point in his career are not enough to get into the Hall of Fame. Fury is going to have to do more than that. Fury did not make one title defense.

That's the dumbest scorecard I ever heard of... Klitschko was completely dominated in that fight and out-punched by a very wide margin in Germany. Everybody knew who won that fight before the verdict was announced -- except you.. Klitschko was completely out-boxed from the outside and when he got inside he tried to grab and hold, which is his habit.. Fury simply lifted his head and body up when Klitschko grabbed him, which repeatedly spun Wlad around.. at which point Tony Weeks would jump in and save Klitschko from getting clocked..

A couple of times Weeks wasn't in position to jump in and Klitschko got hit.. If your opponent gets spun around you're allowed to hit him as he turns back -- or blind-side him as Johansson did to Patterson and Povetkin did Mike Perez.. If you get hit behind the ear it's generally unintentional and not a foul. And neither was Fury's shot. Klitschko is supposed to fight, not have his back turned towards you repeatedly.

[RScarf1]

British commentator Glenn McCrory's unofficial scorecard was 116-114 in favor of Fury. It was very close. McCrory is British, so he's going to be in favor of Fury and a little biased. The ref should have deducted a second point from Fury because he continued to rabbit punch.

[Kalan]

Anyone seeing that fight 116-114 is a half-wit. He doesn't have a efficiently operating brain in his skull.

I don't care if he's British, Polish, Nigerian, American, or Chinese... Stupid people come in all shapes, sizes, colors, genders, orientations, religious beliefs, and nationalities... They all have the same thing in common, an inability to observe and grasp what's happening right in front of their eyes with enough clarity and objectivity to be a decent Boxing judge.