WTF is with this Top Rank PPV?

[jujigatame]

That was not even a 2-year period though. And it was still well within his physical prime. I'm willing to accept he declined in that time, but not into a total scrub.

Basically I'm saying I think the Gradovich that fought Velez was a B+, and Marriaga is a B-. Not a huge difference, but a difference.

[Lackeos]

But people love to Shiite on pbc but forget other promoters put out garbage too. All pbc haters defend this. Imagine if pbc put this out for ppv people
would be saying he the worst thing for boxing.

Who is defending this you idiot? PBC fanboys just don't want to admit they are really Gaymon's trannies posting on forums.

HBO is cutting the boxing budget, though. It is poo that they put this on a PPV card. Sucks because Valdez could be a huge star if he keeps winning.

Sound like you defending this talking about HBO budget. Who's the idiot. How about using another platform/network.

I agree with Mexi-Box. No one is defending this ppv card. You're just wrong. You're totally fabricating a strawman. You're the guy who, in the very first reply to the thread, is already claiming what everyone else is saying on the subject. Where are these people who are defending this card? Can you show me some of them on boxrec? Because I don't see any.

[DaveyMac]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

[caldo2025]

I actually like the PPV events that Top Rank has put on so far. I'm not talking about the fights but the event that was put on. Way better production than PBC and their awful announcers like Sugar Ray whispering nonsense for 2 hours straight. I think that Top Rank is just getting used to putting these events on because it's going to be the future of their organization. Why give Showtime or HBO a cut when you could put your own events on now? Makes perfect sense to me.

Agreed though, to expensive for the amount of talent fighting on that card even though i think Valdez is an absolute stud and future P4P star.

Nah HBO didn't want this card.

Arum doesn't care about HBO. He's going to be putting PPV events on by himself a lot more now. Mexico will be up this PPV event with those three stars on it so it's not going to be do as bad as you think. I'm an American and I'm buying it.

[jujigatame]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

No different from trashing a bad movie, or any other product you think is outrageously overpriced.

[gilgamesh]

Since it's going up against the Showtime card featuring Porter vs Berto I couldn't care less about this card. I'll read about the results and maybe catch it later on Youtube or something if it pops up on there, but other than that I'm not too concerned with this card.

[boxing_rocks]

Who knows? Mexicans will probably buy it.

[world ranked]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

[Luckybattles]

Since it's going up against the Showtime card featuring Porter vs Berto I couldn't care less about this card. I'll read about the results and maybe catch it later on Youtube or something if it pops up on there, but other than that I'm not too concerned with this card.

Not a PPV worth card but much better than berto vs porter. At least these guys are young and hungry up and comers. Berto and Porter are basically a guy who was decent against scrubs while on steroids 9 years ago vs the ultimate blue collar journeyman.

[asdfjkl]

I'm surprised to see Guilermo jones in the top heavyweights, appearantly he won a match against Garrett Wilson, somehow that same Garrett Wilson never lost a match against Guilermo Jones.
Guys who often switch between several weightleagues regularly got ranks they don't deserve.
Garrett Wilson is 5ft7 lol!

[jujigatame]

Since it's going up against the Showtime card featuring Porter vs Berto I couldn't care less about this card. I'll read about the results and maybe catch it later on Youtube or something if it pops up on there, but other than that I'm not too concerned with this card.

Not a PPV worth card but much better than berto vs porter. At least these guys are young and hungry up and comers. Berto and Porter are basically a guy who was decent against scrubs while on steroids 9 years ago vs the ultimate blue collar journeyman.

I think the Porter/Berto card is a bit better. Berto has been strictly a fringe contender for years now but he is still better than any of the B-sides on the TR card. Hell you could probably say the same for Hatley, too.

According to betting odds, Porter/Berto is the closest thing to a 50/50 fight on either card, which is kinda sad.

[gilgamesh]

I could easily see Valdez vs Marriaga being more competitive than Berto vs Porter.

[world ranked]

Since it's going up against the Showtime card featuring Porter vs Berto I couldn't care less about this card. I'll read about the results and maybe catch it later on Youtube or something if it pops up on there, but other than that I'm not too concerned with this card.

Not a PPV worth card but much better than berto vs porter. At least these guys are young and hungry up and comers. Berto and Porter are basically a guy who was decent against scrubs while on steroids 9 years ago vs the ultimate blue collar journeyman.

Much better than Porter/Berto GTFOH. All those a mismatches not fight under a 15 to 1 favorite in any of the fights. Come on and you suppose to a boxing fan A fight is only good as the B-side. Max Bursak, Adlianton Santos (wtf). And Saad & Mexi-box saying nobody defending this here's one right here.

[DaveyMac]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

[world ranked]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

So Berto-Porter with Charlo-Hatley is not worth free TV.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

So Berto-Porter with Charlo-Hatley is not worth free TV.

You get free Showtime?

[DaveyMac]

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

So Berto-Porter with Charlo-Hatley is not worth free TV.

No, I didn't say that! Sounds like a fun card to me. I'll be there in person.

[crusader]

Seems like Valdez-Marriaga was a good fight

I've watched a few clips, and I cant recall Valdez looking that weary or getting hit that much

[boxing_rocks]

People are saying that the cards are WAY too wide. There were a lot of very close rounds, and a correct score is somewhere between 114-113 and 116-111 Valdez.

[crusader]

Yes, Im reading that it was a war, and that those cards don't do Marriaga justice.

Seems like Valdez was really tested, while the other two Mexicans won easily.

[Lackeos]

$45 is less than a movie for three people. I'd totally pay this. Have some friends over. Enjoy the boxing. I think also this is Shakur Stevenson's debut which a lot of people may want to see.

I don't see the point in trashing a PPV, it's on the market if you like it great, if you don't, don't buy it.

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

That's ridiculous. PPV cards are supposed to be better than premium cable cards, premium cable cards are supposed to be better than basic cable cards. Kind of like how $100,000 cars are supposed to have more horsepower than $20,000 cars. Or like how $1,000 computers are suppose to have more RAM than $200 computers. Kind of like how a $100 ppv card is supposed to be better than a $45 ppv card. The more revenue it generates, the more the fighters get paid, and especially the more it costs the viewer; the better it should be.

[DaveyMac]

Don't see a point trashing a pbc cards for free but people do. Its no different both pbc and TR should get Shiite for what they do.

I disagree (although I don't really trash anyone's cards) but I would want free TV cards to be better, because there is a finite supply of them and I hate to see them wasted.
PPV in theory could have an endless supply and I can choose.

That's ridiculous. PPV cards are supposed to be better than premium cable cards, premium cable cards are supposed to be better than basic cable cards. Kind of like how $100,000 cars are supposed to have more horsepower than $20,000 cars. Or like how $1,000 computers are suppose to have more RAM than $200 computers. Kind of like how a $100 ppv card is supposed to be better than a $45 ppv card. The more revenue it generates, the more the fighters get paid, and especially the more it costs the viewer; the better it should be.

The "free" fight costs me whether I want it to or not. It's called opportunity cost. All the advertising that goes into it is priced into my daily life. I'm paying for that fight whether I watch it or not. Likewise, if it's a poor card then it took the space of a good card.

Conversely, the PPV card is paid for by me at my choice. I can buy it, not buy it, whatever I want.

I agree that your argument above is the mindset that we have sort of been led to as a culture, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's right. Just because PPV cards have always been better than free cards doesn't mean that they really should be, or that in some way that's in the best interest of the viewer or boxing, it's just the way it's been.

That's really my point, that despite the fact that we've been trained to think of PPV shows as "premium" they are always a choice and so if promoters want to put them on the market and see what sticks, why not?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That's absolutely correct, if you pay for a premium channel for Boxing you're at their mercy. PPV, you have a choice.