Mikey wants Crawford and Pacquiao

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Gonzalez is lacking a few skills.. A truly outstanding jab is one of them.. and he does get tagged up.. Lomachenko has no such problems but there's really nobody out there to fight him at 130.. Salido refuses to fight him and so do the other champions at 130.. It's the same story as 126, where Santa Cruz, Selby, Cuellar, and Mares refused to face him -- and now they're refusing to fight Gary Russell because he was the guy who agreed to fight Lomachenko -- and if Russell knocked them all out it would make Lomachenko look good.

There are guys at 130 who are willing to face Lomachenko I'm sure. There are no shortage of worthwhile contenders at that weight class whether they have a belt or not.

Besides, if people ducking him has been a problem at 126 and 130 as you say. Why wouldn't it continue to be a problem at 135?

Also I must say it seems a bit ridiculous for a guy with a resume that consists of only 9 professional fights, 5 of which are are well known name fighters, it seems a bit ridiculous to say he's being ducked at all.

Most fighters haven't fought 5 name guys after 3 times as many fights.

Lomachenko/Salido will happen next, might not be until August/September though.

[Impractical Poster]

I'll go so far as to say Garcia is a better version of Marquez. I feel Garcia would give any version of Pacquiao fits. Garcia is technically sound at the highest level.

Better than Juan Manuel Marquez??? Are you sure he's not better than Sugar Ray Robinson also?

I'm not sure I get you. Why is it so outlandish to feel he is better than Marquez?

[Jip]

Just do it mikey

[Lackeos]

I'll go so far as to say Garcia is a better version of Marquez. I feel Garcia would give any version of Pacquiao fits. Garcia is technically sound at the highest level.

Better than Juan Manuel Marquez??? Are you sure he's not better than Sugar Ray Robinson also?

I'm not sure I get you. Why is it so outlandish to feel he is better than Marquez?

Juan Manuel Marquez spent a huge chunk of his career in the p4p top 3 and beat fighters like Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez, Joel Casamayor, etc.. Mikey Garcia's best win was against Orlando Salido. Like seriously, you're free to claim that Mikey Garcia is better than JMM, or that Vasyl Lomanchenko is better than Sugar Ray Robinson, or that Errol Spence is better than Sugar Ray Leonard... but it's an idiotic claim without sufficient evidence. There's no difference between that and claiming that Hughie Fury is better than Lennox Lewis. All you have if your subjective opinion that he looks better and the fact that he's undefeated. There's nothing stopping random idiot on here from saying that they subjectively think Hughie Fury looks better than Lennox Lewis, and than countering by saying that you subjectively think Lennox Lewis looks better than Hughie Fury, the only way you can prove that they're wrong is say "Look. Lennox Lewis actually beat really f*cking legitimate opponents and Hughie Fury didn't." Well, on a relate note, Juan Manuel Marquez's best wins are so much better than Mikey Garcia's best wins, it's not even remotely close. If you tried to claim that Salido and JML are even remotely as good as prime Barrera and Pacquiao, your opinion is never going to carry any weight ever again.

[boxing_rocks]

... and Mikey only fought 8 rounds against Salido.

[Impractical Poster]

Better than Juan Manuel Marquez??? Are you sure he's not better than Sugar Ray Robinson also?

I'm not sure I get you. Why is it so outlandish to feel he is better than Marquez?

Juan Manuel Marquez spent a huge chunk of his career in the p4p top 3 and beat fighters like Marco Antonio Barrera, Manny Pacquiao, Rocky Juarez, Joel Casamayor, etc.. Mikey Garcia's best win was against Orlando Salido. Like seriously, you're free to claim that Mikey Garcia is better than JMM, or that Vasyl Lomanchenko is better than Sugar Ray Robinson, or that Errol Spence is better than Sugar Ray Leonard... but it's an idiotic claim without sufficient evidence. There's no difference between that and claiming that Hughie Fury is better than Lennox Lewis. All you have if your subjective opinion that he looks better and the fact that he's undefeated. There's nothing stopping random idiot on here from saying that they subjectively think Hughie Fury looks better than Lennox Lewis, and than countering by saying that you subjectively think Lennox Lewis looks better than Hughie Fury, the only way you can prove that they're wrong is say "Look. Lennox Lewis actually beat really f*cking legitimate opponents and Hughie Fury didn't." Well, on a relate note, Juan Manuel Marquez's best wins are so much better than Mikey Garcia's best wins, it's not even remotely close. If you tried to claim that Salido and JML are even remotely as good as prime Barrera and Pacquiao, your opinion is never going to carry any weight ever again.

I'm not going on resume. I am making an assessment off movement, the way he puts his punches together, defense, etc... against who he has fought thus far. While his competition, up to this point, has not reached that of those you mentioned, he has faced relatively top competition. His hiatus has hindered his legacy to this point. But, I feel he will end up proving his worth. I also believe Mikey is better than Tim Bradley. Would you say Bradley is better than JMM?

The first time I saw Roy Jones fight, I knew he was special and could roughly gauge him and his ability after seeing him fight a few times. Same with Floyd Mayweather, even though neither of them had fought anyone of any real note up to that point. They went on to prove themselves. I may very well be wrong about Mikey. But, it is my opinion that he does things better than JMM. Hopefully he can get in with some other p4p guys and prove it. I don't feel my opinion is that outrageous. But, it has apparently struck a chord in you. I understand it irritates some people to give such a strong comparison to a legend when his resume isn't up to par yet. But, that's the fun in all this. I believe the likes of Garcia and Lomachenko are the best technicians in boxing right now and have all time skills.

Who knows, I could be wrong. It's happened plenty of times before, and it will happen again. We'll see.

[Kalan]

I'll go so far as to say Garcia is a better version of Marquez. I feel Garcia would give any version of Pacquiao fits. Garcia is technically sound at the highest level.

Better than Juan Manuel Marquez??? Are you sure he's not better than Sugar Ray Robinson also?

Not to butt in...but I think that's an interesting question myself.. Mikey is a 3-Division World Champion who's 36-0... He has an 83% KO ratio.. His level of opposition has generally been better than Robinson's.. Robinson lost to Basilio, Fullmer, Jones, Maxim, Turpin and others who really couldn't hit that well.. I thought Robinson had a few technical shortcomings but that's just me.. Garcia is more sound technically and more power.. I think Garcia would lose to Lomachenko.. but now he's looking in the other direction at Crawford and Pacquiao???

Lomachenko??? -- Crawford??? -- Pacquiao??? -- Gee, that's pretty ambitious ... Looking over Robinson's record I don't spy any opponents of that caliber.

[Kalan]

I think Juan Manuel Marquez is a great fighter... I had him beating Pacquiao all 4 of their fights... He does have that loss to Freddie Norwood, who was not as good as Mikey Garcia... And he has that loss to Chris John, who was not as good as Mikey Garcia.. A master jab beats JMM and Mikey has one.

[Lackeos]

Lomachenko??? -- Crawford??? -- Pacquiao??? -- Gee, that's pretty ambitious ... Looking over Robinson's record I don't spy any opponents of that caliber.

Yeah, that explains your entire posting history. You are just seriously uninformed about Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Randy Turpin, Sammy Angott, Jake Lamotta, Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, etc. All of whom are better than Crawford, Lomachenko, and Garcia; and all of whom Robinson beat at some point. Also... Garcia has not actually fought Lomachenko, Crawford, or Pacquiao. Charlie Zelenoff could talk about fighting Pacquiao, that doesn't make him better than Sugar Ray Robinson. You've only actually fought who you've actually fought.

[boxing_rocks]

Lomachenko??? -- Crawford??? -- Pacquiao??? -- Gee, that's pretty ambitious ... Looking over Robinson's record I don't spy any opponents of that caliber.

Yeah, that explains your entire posting history. You are just seriously uninformed about Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Randy Turpin, Sammy Angott, Jake Lamotta, Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, etc. All of whom are better than Crawford, Lomachenko, and Garcia; and all of whom Robinson beat at some point. Also... Garcia has not actually fought Lomachenko, Crawford, or Pacquiao. Charlie Zelenoff could talk about fighting Pacquiao, that doesn't make him better than Sugar Ray Robinson. You've only actually fought who you've actually fought.

And in which ways exactly are they all better than Lomachenko ?

[caldo2025]

I'd love to see Crawford and Mikey fight for sure. Anybody but the crap Mikey Garcia has fought building his bogus resume so far. Give me a break. There's one quality guy on Garcia's resume, the rest is just crap.