Joseph Parker vs. Hughie Fury is OFF!

[candyslim]

This is the most disappointed I've felt about a fight cancellation since Wilder v Povetkin, and at the moment my feelings toward Hughie are not very charitable. I'm trying to remind myself that fundamental to my beliefs, is that any man who makes a living out of boxing cannot be lacking in courage, and any man that climbs through the ropes and participates in a boxing match is deserving of my respect. We haven't yet heard from him or the Fury camp so I shall continue to battle my possibly misplaced initial feelings of contempt.

It's not looking good though is it, and I know for a fact that he was emphatically not enamoured with the prospect of a 24 hour flight to Kiwiland. It's difficult to make a case for Fury getting a shot at Parker's title based on his achievements in the ring to-date. How likely does he consider that he'll get another chance bearing in mind the reputation that the Fury camp are in the process of building?

Undeserved for sure, but I believed that he believed, when he said he was 100% sure of bringing back the title to the UK and I genuinely thought he had a chance (maybe 35-40% if you were to ask me)

What a pile of shite this news is.

[Tony1244]

Boxing will continue to Suck until replacements are made for cancellations like this.

[candyslim]

You mean a plan 'b' - a back up opponent?

He could be paid a stand-by fee for getting fit to fight if the promoter were willing to stump up the cash. It'd have to be a serious sum to make it worthwhile for an unused sub though, quite a hefty 'insurance premium '.

[BitPlayer]

You mean a plan 'b' - a back up opponent?

He could be paid a stand-by fee for getting fit to fight if the promoter were willing to stump up the cash. It'd have to be a serious sum to make it worthwhile for an unused sub though, quite a hefty 'insurance premium '.

Just make the Plan B a reasonable prospect in the division, someone like Jarrel Miller, and if they don't pull out have them fighting a jounreyman on the undercard.

[RScarf1]

I doubt that Pulev would do it considering he's fighting in his home country against Kevin Johnson.

Christian Hammer makes the most sense as a replacement. He's No.2 WBO contender, but would Parker's team agree to it for a voluntary defense? Parker could lose.

[BitPlayer]

I think at this point Hughie ahs got some work to rebuild his credibility, he needs to string together a few decent wins, and up the opposition.

[RScarf1]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

[joe strong]

Hoping for Miller, Rivas, or Jun Long Zhang then?

Or Povetkin, but that's probably to risky.

I'm thinking it could be Christian Hammer is is highly ranked with wins over Teper than he won the eliminator over Price. He is training for an upcoming fight so maybe him? Miller is another but he can't seem to get any big fights. Zhang not out of the questionas I believe he owns the WBO Asian Pacific or Oriental title so he is in the top 15. Oscar Rivas I think is done. He has had retina issues for a few years & can't get licenced in the big states in the US so I'm not sure if he can get one in NZLD.

Now I'm thinking about it, I think Ortiz gladly takes the fight.

This is the ranking:
1. Hughie Fury
2. Christian Hammer
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. Kubrat Pulev
6. Dominic Breazeale
7. Dillian Whyte
8. Tom Schwarz
9. Andriy Rudenko
10. Luis Ortiz
11. Andrey Fedosov
12. Agit Kabayel
13. Kyotaro Fujimoto
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Zhilei Zhang


Jun Long Zhang and Rivas aren't even ranked I see...
I forgot about Tom Schwarz, I'm not impressed about Kabayel, or Cojanu or Zhilei Zhang, the rest has already lost at least one match.

I am surprised about Senad Gashi at this moment, 15 fights, 15KO's, only once past the 2nd round, those are AJ numbers, but the guy is only just over 6ft?! I know his opponents aren't top contenders, but only once past the 2nd round after 15 matches?!

I doubt it would be Ortiz. They would want to promote that fight. If they keep the card going I suspect it is either Conjanu or Zhang. Rudenko & Fujimoto are all in that region so it wouldn't take long to get them there & they are ranked in the top 15. Fujimoto has a fight coming so he is probably in camp but if my memory is correct he dropped out of a fight with Parker a few years back so there could be some issues there between their promoters but he would be the likely choice in my opinion but Rudenko & Zhang could get there quickly & none would be getting near a title shot so this would be their only chance. Fedosov fights out of the states now but maybe he could be put in there. I can't see a top guy coming on short notice. I'd like to see Miller but I don't know what kind of shape he is in.

[candyslim]

You mean a plan 'b' - a back up opponent?

He could be paid a stand-by fee for getting fit to fight if the promoter were willing to stump up the cash. It'd have to be a serious sum to make it worthwhile for an unused sub though, quite a hefty 'insurance premium '.

Just make the Plan B a reasonable prospect in the division, someone like Jarrel Miller, and if they don't pull out have them fighting a jounreyman on the undercard.

You make it sound simple enough but if I'm Miller I'm not sure I want to get within weeks / days/ hours of the fight not knowing if I'm fighting Godzilla or Mrs Nesbitt.

Someone mentioned Ortiz and I'm pretty sure he'd jump at the chance. He may or may not be on the slide, but he's a fighter who fears no one. Would Parker want to take on Ortiz though when he was expecting Fury?

Maybe he would. Parker doesn't seem a man to want to always take the path of least resistance, and show off about Ortiz history with banned substances so as to give him a swerve. I suppose you could say he's not one to go in for PEDantics ... ouch ... taxi for Candyslim. That was baaad!

[crusader]

It was posted in the Aussie section that Andriy Rudenko (WBO #9) just pulled out of a scheduled fight...I imagine that Rudenko won't have many opportunities better than this, and he's fairly low risk, so it seems to work on both sides and I can see it being him.

[BitPlayer]

You mean a plan 'b' - a back up opponent?

He could be paid a stand-by fee for getting fit to fight if the promoter were willing to stump up the cash. It'd have to be a serious sum to make it worthwhile for an unused sub though, quite a hefty 'insurance premium '.

Just make the Plan B a reasonable prospect in the division, someone like Jarrel Miller, and if they don't pull out have them fighting a jounreyman on the undercard.

You make it sound simple enough but if I'm Miller I'm not sure I want to get within weeks / days/ hours of the fight not knowing if I'm fighting Godzilla or Mrs Nesbitt.

Someone mentioned Ortiz and I'm pretty sure he'd jump at the chance. He may or may not be on the slide, but he's a fighter who fears no one. Would Parker want to take on Ortiz though when he was expecting Fury?

Maybe he would. Parker doesn't seem a man to want to always take the path of least resistance, and show off about Ortiz history with banned substances so as to give him a swerve. I suppose you could say he's not one to go in for PEDantics ... ouch ... taxi for Candyslim. That was baaad!

Well there'd be plenty of other options just looking at the rankings, Schwarz, Whyte, Zhang, Agit Kabayel, I'm sure one would be willing to do it to makybe get a shot.

[candyslim]

How about Lucas Browne, what's he up to lately?

Delivering Pizza in Sydney if you believe Dillian Whyte

So long as he-s been delivering rather than chomping on it, he'd make an adequate sub for Hughie wouldn't he?

There are loads of possible opponents but it would be nice to maintain some level of quality control given it's for a (minor) portion of the World Heavyweight Title.

[Dixonian]

Hoping for Miller, Rivas, or Jun Long Zhang then?

Or Povetkin, but that's probably to risky.

I'm thinking it could be Christian Hammer is is highly ranked with wins over Teper than he won the eliminator over Price. He is training for an upcoming fight so maybe him? Miller is another but he can't seem to get any big fights. Zhang not out of the questionas I believe he owns the WBO Asian Pacific or Oriental title so he is in the top 15. Oscar Rivas I think is done. He has had retina issues for a few years & can't get licenced in the big states in the US so I'm not sure if he can get one in NZLD.

Now I'm thinking about it, I think Ortiz gladly takes the fight.

This is the ranking:
1. Hughie Fury
2. Christian Hammer
3. Jarrell Miller
4. Andy Ruiz
5. Kubrat Pulev
6. Dominic Breazeale
7. Dillian Whyte
8. Tom Schwarz
9. Andriy Rudenko
10. Luis Ortiz
11. Andrey Fedosov
12. Agit Kabayel
13. Kyotaro Fujimoto
14. Razvan Cojanu
15. Zhilei Zhang


Jun Long Zhang and Rivas aren't even ranked I see...
I forgot about Tom Schwarz, I'm not impressed about Kabayel, or Cojanu or Zhilei Zhang, the rest has already lost at least one match.

I am surprised about Senad Gashi at this moment, 15 fights, 15KO's, only once past the 2nd round, those are AJ numbers, but the guy is only just over 6ft?! I know his opponents aren't top contenders, but only once past the 2nd round after 15 matches?!

Just had a quick look at Gashi on YouTube. I'm quite impressed. He has good upper body movement and reflexes look pretty sharp. The litmus test will be against a big strong guy with a jab. And can he keep the head movement beyond a couple of rounds?

[BitPlayer]

I am surprised about Senad Gashi at this moment, 15 fights, 15KO's, only once past the 2nd round, those are AJ numbers, but the guy is only just over 6ft?! I know his opponents aren't top contenders, but only once past the 2nd round after 15 matches?!

His opponents are awful. His best wins are
Andras Csomor: a guy Chisora KOed in 2 to keep busy, and since lost by KO to Brian Minto,
Ratko Draskovic: a 49 year old who in 2004 was KOed in a round by Danny Williams, and was also KOed in a round by Marino Goles
Marino Goles: KOed in 1 by Gary Cornish and Arnold Gjergjaj, as well as managing to lose by DQ to Mark de Mori
Davit Gorgiladze: Only beat one person withouta losing record, and has been KOed by Apti Davtaev, Bogdan Dinu, and RTD'd by Samir Nebo.

Well he's a good candidate fo Haye day 3.

[Cyclops]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

Perhaps he's been using the infamous Fury deadlift technique?

[asdfjkl]

I am surprised about Senad Gashi at this moment, 15 fights, 15KO's, only once past the 2nd round, those are AJ numbers, but the guy is only just over 6ft?! I know his opponents aren't top contenders, but only once past the 2nd round after 15 matches?!

His opponents are awful. His best wins are
Andras Csomor: a guy Chisora KOed in 2 to keep busy, and since lost by KO to Brian Minto,
Ratko Draskovic: a 49 year old who in 2004 was KOed in a round by Danny Williams, and was also KOed in a round by Marino Goles
Marino Goles: KOed in 1 by Gary Cornish and Arnold Gjergjaj, as well as managing to lose by DQ to Mark de Mori
Davit Gorgiladze: Only beat one person withouta losing record, and has been KOed by Apti Davtaev, Bogdan Dinu, and RTD'd by Samir Nebo.

Well he's a good candidate fo Haye day 3.

I know this, but only once past the 2nd round after 15 matches?
I understand that you can say, Briggs would have showed similar numbers, but still.
I mean, AJ went past the 2nd round against Konstantin Airich, who's compareble to Marino Goles for example.
Wladimir Klitschko went 6 times past the 2nd round in his first 15 matches and once against a guy with a losing record (I haven't looked it in detail, and I understand that Senad Gashi his current numbers don't tell the whole story, but still).
Wladimir only once past the 6th round in his first 25 matches and actually lost that match, such a thing could also happen with Senad Gashi, but for this moment, his numbers look impressive and interesting.

[Asterix]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

Isn't it the kind of problem that a doctor can't diagnose? In other words, an easy one to state that you have in order to get out of something.

[RScarf1]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

Isn't it the kind of problem that a doctor can't diagnose? In other words, an easy one to state that you have in order to get out of something.

MRI and/or X-rays would be tests for the back and spine.

[Ilya Muromets]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

Isn't it the kind of problem that a doctor can't diagnose? In other words, an easy one to state that you have in order to get out of something.

MRI and/or X-rays would be tests for the back and spine.

Not really.

And I would never mock anyone with a lower back injury having been victim of that myself.

[Ilya Muromets]

How about Lucas Browne, what's he up to lately?

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Lucas Browne - yeah!

[Ilya Muromets]

I read on FightNews that Hughie has an injury to his lower back. He's kind of young to be having those problems.

Isn't it the kind of problem that a doctor can't diagnose? In other words, an easy one to state that you have in order to get out of something.

Maybe so - but you are right about the first part - and a very common and very terrible problem too - and alas one that I myself have - so unfortunately I know something about it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

This is clearly wilders fault.

[candyslim]

How about Lucas Browne, what's he up to lately?

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Lucas Browne - yeah!

He's local. Not too many concerns about long distance travel (24 hour flights) which was contributing to the on-set of Hughie's back problem I suspect.

He's worthy of a title shot, more so than Hughie anyway, with his victory over the fading but proven Chagaev. I've thought for some time (well before Parker's title win) that a fight between Parker and Browne to determine the unofficial Anzac title, would be an excellent match.

Browne or Breazeale I don't mind but not Hammer. I really don't rate him at all. It might be unfair of me, it might be irrelevant now, he might be much improved, but that performance against Tyson Fury was feeble.

[asdfjkl]

Wilder claims to be ready "right now"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DKbpxCI3MA

0:45

[RScarf1]

I don't think Parker is going to be tested against a top 10 heavyweight for at least two years. Parker barely got past Andy Ruiz and Carlos Takam. Guys like Breazeale and Wilder are not going to be a substitute opponent for a voluntary defense, so Parker's team will pick someone rated in the top 15 of the WBO, but also rated No. 40-100 on BoxRec.