Charles Martin Begins Comeback From Shooting, KO Loss April 25

[TheGingerBomber]

Not true, there are plenty of people who thought he was awful prior to the Joshua 'fight'. Anyone with a basic understanding of boxing, and boxing technique could see what would happen against Joshua.

It's simple: he's not very good.

Its funny because there were a select few purists saying he's a good fighter and a big step up on Whyte. Did his arse go? Cos he didn't throw a punch, or at least, land one.

I'd say he's flabby, with a poor defence, no apparent speed or power.

I don't just care about top of the line guys, Breazeale vs Ugonoh showed us how entertaining these middle of road fellas can be.

Absolutely right Ginge not that we needed Breazeale v Ugonoh to teach us that. Some of the best fights I've seen have been between two fighters who wouldn't win a world title if they were tag-teaming (against) the champion.

A lot of people were saying that Joshua wasn't very good either. Some die-hards are still saying it. I've never said Martin was a top class fighter but I'd back him to beat Manuel Charr without too much difficulty. It wasn't his fault Glazkov's knee gave out and general consensus was that he was most likely on his way to a win anyway. Waits for torrent of abuse about Glazkov's lack of quality.

Martin isn't the hardest of hitters but he's mobile, and he's big. His unprotected chin couldn't stand up to AJ's sharp and powerful counters but he is in pretty good company there. He has shown little evidence of being chinny prior to that fight.

Just to make it clear I am not making a case for Martin as an elite heavyweight but I think he would be a real handful for most fighters including guys rated in the lower half of the top ten. I'd rate his chances as pretty decent against Pulev even.

Wait a moment while a find my tin hat.

Just using that fight as an example slim!

People need to just chill and see what comes of these fighters! Bellew has upset the odds in recent years, someone I've never really rated till he destroyed Makabu.

[candyslim]

Ok I get the message. Most of you think he's crap. For the record I don't think Pulev is all that, but certainly a lot better technically. Anyway I find myself defending a fighter that I acknowledged from the start is not short on shortcomings.

I said from the start that he's not a world beater, but I think he can participate in some interesting matches, and to me his return to the scene is a very welcome addition. Where would boxing be without fighters of modest talent for the elite to learn, and hone their skills against? To me boxing is not just about the best. Boxing snared me for life using the first Frazier v Ali fight as bait. It worked just fine but almost right away I got to wondering could Quarry really beat Foreman ranked just below him, and whether Patterson or Ellis would win a rematch, and so on and so forth. From there my interest spread way down the pyramid. I know some of you, maybe most of you, get where I'm coming from.

I'm going to leave it there as I'm feeling a bit like a rabbi delivering a sermon at a mosque.

Ginge: Yes i wasn't suggesting it took DB vs IU for you to realize that

[punchoutsb]

Ok I get the message. Most of you think he's crap. For the record I don't think Pulev is all that, but certainly a lot better technically. Anyway I find myself defending a fighter that I acknowledged from the start is not short on shortcomings.

I said from the start that he's not a world beater, but I think he can participate in some interesting matches, and to me his return to the scene is a very welcome addition. Where would boxing be without fighters of modest talent for the elite to learn, and hone their skills against? To me boxing is not just about the best. Boxing snared me for life using the first Frazier v Ali fight as bait. It worked just fine but almost right away I got to wondering could Quarry really beat Foreman ranked just below him, and whether Patterson or Ellis would win a rematch, and so on and so forth. From there my interest spread way down the pyramid. I know some of you, maybe most of you, get where I'm coming from.

I'm going to leave it there as I'm feeling a bit like a rabbi delivering a sermon at a mosque.

Ginge: Yes i wasn't suggesting it took DB vs IU for you to realize that

I know exactly where you're coming from, and I too love watching guys who will never get close to a title fight. I love all levels of boxing. I just REALLY think Martin sucks

[candyslim]

I may even come around to your way of thinking but in the meantime welcome back your majesty

[Dixonian]

Ok I get the message. Most of you think he's crap. For the record I don't think Pulev is all that, but certainly a lot better technically. Anyway I find myself defending a fighter that I acknowledged from the start is not short on shortcomings.

I said from the start that he's not a world beater, but I think he can participate in some interesting matches, and to me his return to the scene is a very welcome addition. Where would boxing be without fighters of modest talent for the elite to learn, and hone their skills against? To me boxing is not just about the best. Boxing snared me for life using the first Frazier v Ali fight as bait. It worked just fine but almost right away I got to wondering could Quarry really beat Foreman ranked just below him, and whether Patterson or Ellis would win a rematch, and so on and so forth. From there my interest spread way down the pyramid. I know some of you, maybe most of you, get where I'm coming from.

I'm going to leave it there as I'm feeling a bit like a rabbi delivering a sermon at a mosque.

Ginge: Yes i wasn't suggesting it took DB vs IU for you to realize that

I know exactly where you're coming from, and I too love watching guys who will never get close to a title fight. I love all levels of boxing. I just REALLY think Martin sucks

Yeah I also agree with the general point. I.e. flawed fighters can make interesting fights.

[KiwiRider]

Stone me I neglected to mention 'too reliant on pharmaceutical assistance'

Good save!

[ElJefe]

Is he even a top 15 US heavyweight? Martin is seriously terrible.

[candyslim]

Stone me I neglected to mention 'too reliant on pharmaceutical assistance'

Good save!

I was kind of hoping that my list of criticisms might prompt others on here to suggest additional ones. I do believe there isn't a fighter in history that you couldn't disparage (not necessarily fairly you understand) using that list. Jack Dempsey ... pah! ... way too small, choosey about his opponents, couldn't fight off the back foot ... you get the picture.

I said I'd leave it but on my theme of the most intriguing fights not always between the best fighters, The Ginger Bomber mentioned a match that had me positively drooling in anticipation, and that was the Breazeale v Ugonoh fight. That exceeded even my already high expectations.

The other recent fight (again between heavyweights - my favourite division by some distance) was the Dillian Whyte v Dereck Chisora fight, which had been a match-up I was hoping and praying would get made. That was before I was aware of any genuine bad-feeling between the two.

I pay a prince's ransom to Sky TV including extras for their sports channels, and I very much resent sticking my hand back in my pocket every time there's a big fight I want to see (God bless you-tube). Only once have I stumped up for Pay-per-view: That was nominally the Joshua v Molina card but it was Whyte v Chisora that was the attraction for me. I'm a huge AJ fan but I wasn't about to pay £20 or so to watch him beat up Molina, no way. Of course I did (watch him beat up Molina) but by that time the fight I really wanted to see had left me well satisfied. It was a terrific fight between two "not-very-good" heavyweights, but they will do for me. I have to say there were many good fights on that card and well worth my money. Eddie does put on a good show I'll say that for him.

Some of my favourite heavyweights are (compared to the elite) not very good. Dominic Breazeale is a prime example. Pretty slow, tough as old boots, heart the size of an old edsel, and great value for money. A real fighting man.

I even take my user-name from a heavyweight that was not very good, albeit possibly the hardest one shot puncher in history. Now there's a Pandora's box I just opened, damn-it

[KiwiRider]

I think true boxing fans don't really care about unbeaten records as much as the fighters, managers and promoters.
We care about good fights, fighters taking a risk to be the best.
In the last 15 years it has got so disappointing waiting for top fighters to put it on the line and become undisputed champions.
Wilder, Stevenson, oh boy, I could go on, don't hold my respect until they take on the best.
Incidentally, my wife calls those guys belts, The Chicken Belts
Breazeale at least gives it a go, I'm not sure Parker will be allowed to.

[Freedom2013]

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[KiwiRider]

We laughed so hard when he came into the ring against AJ in that getup.
American in the UK calling himself prince, when every Pom knows the prince never becomes king.

[Rob3_142]

I think true boxing fans don't really care about unbeaten records as much as the fighters, managers and promoters.
We care about good fights, fighters taking a risk to be the best.
In the last 15 years it has got so disappointing waiting for top fighters to put it on the line and become undisputed champions.
Wilder, Stevenson, oh boy, I could go on, don't hold my respect until they take on the best.
Incidentally, my wife calls those guys belts, The Chicken Belts
Breazeale at least gives it a go, I'm not sure Parker will be allowed to.

Midway through this post I was thinking Breazeale and then you took the words right out of my mouth. He's a genuine trier, and is prepared to put his record on the line to get somewhere. I don't understand how some fighters get so far in their careers until they step up the levels, that's if they step up at all! I mean let's take Andy Ruiz for example. Granted, he took on Parker in a World title fight. But he managed to get to his 29th fight having not fought a soul. I mean what is his management teams plan when he's sitting there at 25-0? Keep ticking over until something comes along? Why not fight someone with a heart beat, and at least move up the rankings.

[Rob3_142]

I mean look at this guy. 22-0, with 20 KO's. Barely scraping the top 150. What a joke.

[Lackeos]

I mean look at this guy. 22-0, with 20 KO's. Barely scraping the top 150. What a joke.

Yeah, that's called a bottomfeeder. His opponents have an average boxrec rating of 0.64. But in fairness to Boban Filipovic, he lives in Serbia, and he really doesn't have a lot of opportunity to do anything else. For the kind of money he makes per fight, he can probably afford to contract an opponent within a 75 mile radius and that's all. He and his opponents probably make like 5500 Serbian dinars per fight, i.e. $50 USD; so after gas and hotel, any opponent who lives further than that is basically fighting for free. But when a boxer in a bigger market / better economy is doing what Filipovic is doing, and they have other options, it's bottomfeeding.

[candyslim]

That's a very good post Lackeos I must say.

On the subject on unbeaten records, I'm reminded of a story that appeared in either "The Ring" or "Boxing Illustrated" back in the seventies about a young prospect, Solly "Bagel Boy" Nazermann (I even remember the name after all this time ... weird) how he'd run up this long winning run fighting twice a month or so against unknowns in small towns in New Jersey and Pennsylvania IIRC and the surrounding states.

Eventually, despite not actually having beaten anybody (snigger), he got himself a ranking from one of the alphabet boys, either WBC or WBA in those days of course. Not that being rated helped him a great deal is his future career, largely on account of the fact that he didn't exist except in some hoaxer's imagination.

That's right, the whole thing was an elaborate hoax for what purpose I'm not entirely sure. Maybe just a bit of harmless fun or maybe to embarrass the governing bodies I don't know.

Anyway I just thought I'd share that with anyone who's interested.

[asdfjkl]

I mean look at this guy. 22-0, with 20 KO's. Barely scraping the top 150. What a joke.

There's a Brazillian with an even more impressive record

[Ruthless-RKO]

Former IBF heavyweight champion Charles Martin (24-1-1, 22 KOs) quietly returned to the ring with a second round TKO over journeyman Byron Polley (30-21-1, 13 KOs) on Tuesday night at the Fitz Tunica Casino & Hotel in Tunica, Mississippi. It was Martin’s first fight since losing the title to Anthony Joshua 12 months ago.

In the post fight, he said, “I’m just back to finish what I started ... Now I’m back and I’m ready to be undisputed, like my plans were originally, undisputed champ.”

[Rob3_142]

In the post fight, he said, “I’m just back to finish what I started ... Now I’m back and I’m ready to be undisputed, like my plans were originally, undisputed champ.”

[chinarich]

I mean look at this guy. 22-0, with 20 KO's. Barely scraping the top 150. What a joke.

He's only beaten one fighter with a winning record and that was by DQ. Brilliant...