Parker vs Cojanu WBO world titlethis

[asdfjkl]

David Haye ducks Parker,
Hughey Fury bottles it against Parker.
Brazeale when presented with the contract he called for chickens out and wants to fight in September.

Cojanu only one with the cojones turns up in NZ for the fight.

And then guess what?
As soon as the fight is made Wilder finds some dutch courage and says he'll fight May 6th.

Cojanu proves he's got more guts than all any of the above.

I knew it, Wilder allways does such things, saying he wants to fight as soon as he knows the fight can't happen.

[sweetviolenturge]

My lifelong obsession with boxing had a rather inauspicious beginning as the very first fight that I watched was Muhammad Ali's title defense vs the legendary "Lion of Flanders" Jean-Pierre Coopman. Which took place in early 1976 when I was 14.
I was about to say that Coopman's status as the worst challenger for a world heavyweight championship that I'd ever witnessed ( & I've seen every one since Coopman ) was going to be broken by Cojanu, but then I remembered the immortal Tim Tomachek who was literally pulled out of the audience to challenge Tommy Morrison for the WBO title back in 1993 when Morrison's original opponent, Mike Williams, refused to come out of his locker room to fight.
So, as bad as Cojanu is ( & believe me, judging by the horror shows I saw him in during his run in that Boxino tourney, he is awful ), he's still only second worst. And, Coopman is now only the third worst.

[bigman1968]

Suddenly, Wilder's opponents looks world beaters-))))))

[Kalan]

Current WBO Top 15 ratings:

1 Hughie Fury (Int-Cont.) UK
2 Christian Hammer (WBO Europe) GER
3 Jarrell Miller (NABO) USA
4 Andy Ruiz USA
5 Kubrat Pulev BUL
6 Dominic Breazeale USA
7 Dillian Whyte JAM
8 Tom Schwarz (WBO Youth) GER
9 Andriy Rudenko UKR
10 Luis Ortiz CUB
11 Andrey Fedosov USA
12 Agit Kabayel GER
13 Kyotaro Fujimoto JPN
14 Razvan Cojanu ROM
15 Zhilei Zhang (Oriental) CHN

Who in the world thinks Cristian Hammer, Jarrell Miller, Andy Ruiz, Kubrat Pulev, Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte, Tom Schwartz, or Andriy Rudenko could beat Luis Ortiz... I swear, Boxing is the most fked up professional sport in the Universe.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current WBO Top 15 ratings:

1 Hughie Fury (Int-Cont.) UK
2 Christian Hammer (WBO Europe) GER
3 Jarrell Miller (NABO) USA
4 Andy Ruiz USA
5 Kubrat Pulev BUL
6 Dominic Breazeale USA
7 Dillian Whyte JAM
8 Tom Schwarz (WBO Youth) GER
9 Andriy Rudenko UKR
10 Luis Ortiz CUB
11 Andrey Fedosov USA
12 Agit Kabayel GER
13 Kyotaro Fujimoto JPN
14 Razvan Cojanu ROM
15 Zhilei Zhang (Oriental) CHN

Who in the world thinks Cristian Hammer, Jarrell Miller, Andy Ruiz, Kubrat Pulev, Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte, Tom Schwartz, or Andriy Rudenko could beat Luis Ortiz... I swear, Boxing is the most fked up professional sport in the Universe.

I always thought if you hold a regional title ie. NABO or European then you're ranked higher? Or elimainators? or if you beat someone who is generally ranked higher in their org.. Mind you, Ortiz wasn't ranked by WBO couple months ago

[candyslim]

If Luiz Ortiz hasn't gone backwards at a rate of knots then none of them. I agree completely Kalan there again I would also agree that it's darker at night than it is in daytime.

Cojanu doesn't need guts to take this fight. He takes his lumps and gets a once in his lifetime opportunity for a chance to fight for (a portion of) the heavyweight title and the biggest payday he'll ever get in his life. Christ, I'd take the fight - although I'm not sure I'd be in profit after paying the hospital bills.

Is that true they took Breazeale up on his offer and he retracted? If so I'm so deeply disappointed. My respect for Dominic turned to admiration when he said he'd take the fight. If he is all mouth like most of them then I despair, although my respect for Parker increases ... on the face of it anyway, because we don't know what terms they were offering Breazeale.

@Crusader : Donovan Dennis not Dominic but point taken.

[sweetviolenturge]

Yeah, CS, this thread is full of accusations & insinuations about who backed out or retracted their challenge etc., but I haven't seen any sources listed. So I'm taking them with a grain of salt.
The fact is as much as a fighter may want to take a fight, once he sits down & speaks to his people it's their job to make sure that the fighter doesn't make any mistakes. And while it may seem like a crack at a world title is worth any risk, it may not be terribly smart for a Wilder or Breazeale to fly over to Parker's hometown & fight him on a moments notice for whatever the pay was. They've got the rest of their careers to set up bigger fights. Besides, we don't even know if those fighters could have gotten visas in time to make it to Aukland for Saturday's fight.

[sweetviolenturge]

Yeah, CS, this thread is full of accusations & insinuations about who backed out or retracted their challenge etc., but I haven't seen any sources listed. So I'm taking them with a grain of salt.
The fact is as much as a fighter may want to take a fight, once he sits down & speaks to his people it's their job to make sure that the fighter doesn't make any mistakes. And while it may seem like a crack at a world title is worth any risk, it may not be terribly smart for a Wilder or Breazeale to fly over to Parker's hometown & fight him on a moments notice for whatever the pay was. They've got the rest of their careers to set up bigger fights. Besides, we don't even know if those fighters could have gotten visas in time to make it to Aukland for Saturday's fight.

[RScarf1]

I don't think anyone is going to win a decision against Parker in New Zealand.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bout will now take place at the Vodafone Events Centre in Manukau City..

[Ruthless-RKO]

Parker is taking a pay cut.. as expected..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=11845716

Joseph Parker has admitted he is taking a "considerable" pay-cut to defend his World Boxing Organisation heavyweight belt in Auckland following the withdrawal of Hughie Fury.

Parker was scheduled to receive an estimated $2.4 million compared to Fury's $1.7 million from promoters Duco Events, but the Brit pulled out with a lower back injury on Sunday.

The New Zealander will now meet huge Romanian Razvan Cojanu, nicknamed "Bigfoot", on May 6.

The fight has been shifted from the 12,000-capacity Spark Arena in downtown Auckland, to the 3000-capacity Vodafone Events Centre in Manukau where Parker has fought four times as a professional.

Parker told the Herald the money he was in line to earn for the Fury fight was well down on what had been reported, but admitted the late change in opponent has hit him in the pocket.

"[The purse has dropped] considerably - this is the sport we're in and you just have to adapt and accept that," he said.

The likely decrease in British broadcasting rights revenue for the main event meant costs had to be reduced. The scale of the production was downsized as a result.

The pay-per-view cost will be $49.95 for New Zealand viewers.

"Previously we were subject to certain purse rules [for the Parker-Fury fight]," Duco Events director David Higgins said. "We've since negotiated with Joseph Parker and Razvan Cojanu and they've agreed to a deal.

"It could be the last time Joseph Parker fights in New Zealand. We haven't had an avalanche of refunds because they [the patrons] are Joseph Parker fans. We're grateful to them for bearing with us.

Cojanu would get less than a seven-figure sum.

[candyslim]

Well said SVU.

Maybe Hughie's reason for pulling out was kosher, but would you now entertain him as an opponent for the headliner on a big promotion you were putting together, especially some distance from the UK? "Not bloody likely" I'd be thinking if it were me.

I think it's going to be a long old rehabilitation for him. Maybe start with Dereck Chisora or even Dave Allen if Delboy looks a little intimidating. David Price v Hughie would be a terrific match-up IMO.

I suspect it's more likely to be a little known tubby bloke from somewhere east of Venice. "Morthanabit Naffski" perhaps?

[punchoutsb]

Haye has a better chance for big fights. Fury just severely hurt his chance for big fights, Breazeale apparently ran his mouth and stood down...he'll need to wait to be *gifted* another title shot to lose. He's a perennial opponent and deep down he knows it. Wilder talks and talks about wanting to unify. He should have stepped in. If he's as good as he says he is it shouldn't have been a problem. I know the times have changed but George Chuvalo had something like 16 or 17 days notice to fight Muhammad Ali and took it and today we have supposed contenders and title holders that won't fight a kid who is still learning on the job and struggled mightily to beat the Stay Puft Man in his last fight. Boxing can be very frustrating.

It's not like the good ol' days, that's for sure. I think that some boxers are reluctant to fight Parker in New Zealand.

That's for sure. I just can't understand why. A loss doesn't end a career; in fact Andy Ruiz meaningless career has gained considerable steam following his close loss to Parker. I simply cannot see a good reason for a fighter not to jump at this; a shot at a good payday, a title against an apparently run of the mill title holder. Joseph Parker isn't a scary dominant behemoth, he's a decent fighter with decent skills. I'm shocked at todays attitudes.

[marvelous marv]

Cojanu is the kind of opponent Arreola would win 11 rounds against after showing up weighing 400 pounds and drunk on fight night.

[Kalan]

These freakin' New Zealanders will show up for anybody Parker fights and cheer their silly asses off... They had a couple close calls with Ruiz and Takam... I thought both of them beat Parker.. so I just think they're tapering the comp off until Parker gets more experience.. The Fury fight was a gimme fight and this fight is another gimme.. Ortiz would murder Parker and that's why he's ranked 10th -- so he doesn't get a shot.. Unbelievable!!!

Ortiz is still undefeated right? ... What does it take to get him a significant fight??? I think Joshua is the only cat in the world who can beat him and for some reason I don't believe that fight is next.. I think Wilder might be next for Joshua because he looks more beatable.

[crusader]

Cojanu is the kind of opponent Arreola would win 11 rounds against after showing up weighing 400 pounds and drunk on fight night.

Even that Arreola would probably KO Cojanu before it got that far

[sweetviolenturge]

These freakin' New Zealanders will show up for anybody Parker fights and cheer their silly asses off... They had a couple close calls with Ruiz and Takam... I thought both of them beat Parker.. so I just think they're tapering the comp off until Parker gets more experience.. The Fury fight was a gimme fight and this fight is another gimme.. Ortiz would murder Parker and that's why he's ranked 10th -- so he doesn't get a shot.. Unbelievable!!!

Ortiz is still undefeated right? ... What does it take to get him a significant fight??? I think Joshua is the only cat in the world who can beat him and for some reason I don't believe that fight is next.. I think Wilder might be next for Joshua because he looks more beatable.

Ortiz can't even remain healthy enough to show up for a fight vs a journeyman in Derric Rossy, so how could he have possibly been ready to step in with Parker on short notice?
Not to mention the fact that he looked like garbage his last three times out. I'm beginning to think that he just caught lightning in a bottle against Bryant Jennings & that he'll never perform to that level again.
If I had my druthers the WBC would have arranged for an elimination bout between Ortiz & Stiverne to determine the #1 contender months ago, but once again, Povetkin's predilection for PEDs has screwed things up as they obviously didn't deem that one necessary since he was at the #1 spot. So now, Wilder is stuck with having to defend against an individual that he's already shut out & who in his only fight since then had to climb off the floor to eek out a decision over the well worn Rossy. Crazy.
I'd much rather see a Wilder vs Ortiz match in July rather than a redux with Stiverne, but no doubt the 'BC would strip him of the title were Wilder to do so.

[candyslim]

I reckon Ortiz must be hoping for a Joshua win Saturday because if AJ wins I he won't have any fear to face anyone. Klitschko isn't going to fight Ortiz win or lose (not because he's scared though). Wilder wants no part of Ortiz, and will hang on for a mega match with Joshua before taking the risk of biting off more than he can chew. If he is going to put his green belt in serious jeopardy, he'd better get a huge pay-off for his trouble, no?

As for Parker, I had him down as a bigger risk taker than Wilder, and I'm trying not to let the selection of the less than formidable Romanian prejudice my oninion of the young man. I"ll give him a pass this time: He's new to the job (WBO champ) and far less experienced than the man who has been testing our patience.

Besides, none of us know what demands would have been made by any fighter good enough to be comparable to Hughie in terms of quality/status of opponent, in order to fly to NZ on short notice to face a world belt-holder on his home turf. You'd want some serious dosh wouldn't you ?

[KiwiRider]

These freakin' New Zealanders will show up for anybody Parker fights and cheer their silly asses off... They had a couple close calls with Ruiz and Takam... I thought both of them beat Parker.. so I just think they're tapering the comp off until Parker gets more experience.. The Fury fight was a gimme fight and this fight is another gimme.. Ortiz would murder Parker and that's why he's ranked 10th -- so he doesn't get a shot.. Unbelievable!!!

Ortiz is still undefeated right? ... What does it take to get him a significant fight??? I think Joshua is the only cat in the world who can beat him and for some reason I don't believe that fight is next.. I think Wilder might be next for Joshua because he looks more beatable.

Your right about the NZ'ers turning up for any Parker fight, no matter the pulse or lack thereof of his opponent. I can explain that Parker has a lot of casual boxing fans and Kiwi's who haven't seen any of their countrymen anywhere near the international stage since David Tua. Here in NZ he has almost the public profile as AJ does in the UK. He's also reasonably articulate and publicly well behaved, and I believe "genuinely humble"
But I won't be paying the equalivant of £22 to watch that fight, and until he has a decent opponent- if ever- I hold him in the same regard as Wilder- which is an untested belt holder

[Mexi-Box]

If you're at the point where Breazeale is considered a good option, then there really is no point in trying.

[RScarf1]

The WBO wants to keep this going as long as possible because of the fan support which means more money, although this new opponent lowers the money made including for Parker. It's moving to a smaller venue. I don't consider Parker to be a real world champion.

[KiwiRider]

The WBO wants to keep this going as long as possible because of the fan support which means more money, although this new opponent lowers the money made including for Parker. It's moving to a smaller venue. I don't consider Parker to be a real world champion.

I don't consider Parker a champion either-yet.
It's an unlucky situation he's in, Fury was a reasonable first title defence, but he does have potential to Maybe beat a few top ten HW's.
If his team let him, that is.
Be prepared for a Wilderesk succession of B-boys

[RScarf1]

I don't consider Parker a champion either-yet.
It's an unlucky situation he's in, Fury was a reasonable first title defence, but he does have potential to Maybe beat a few top ten HW's.
If his team let him, that is.
Be prepared for a Wilderesk succession of B-boys

The WBO could include Carlos Takam in their rankings, but they don't. I think Andy Ruiz would have been a good substitute opponent, but I don't know if Ruiz would be ready on short notice. I'm sure he would like a rematch.

[hagler81]

Current WBO Top 15 ratings:

1 Hughie Fury (Int-Cont.) UK
2 Christian Hammer (WBO Europe) GER
3 Jarrell Miller (NABO) USA
4 Andy Ruiz USA
5 Kubrat Pulev BUL
6 Dominic Breazeale USA
7 Dillian Whyte JAM
8 Tom Schwarz (WBO Youth) GER
9 Andriy Rudenko UKR
10 Luis Ortiz CUB
11 Andrey Fedosov USA
12 Agit Kabayel GER
13 Kyotaro Fujimoto JPN
14 Razvan Cojanu ROM
15 Zhilei Zhang (Oriental) CHN

Who in the world thinks Cristian Hammer, Jarrell Miller, Andy Ruiz, Kubrat Pulev, Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte, Tom Schwartz, or Andriy Rudenko could beat Luis Ortiz... I swear, Boxing is the most fked up professional sport in the Universe.

Agreed I saw Ortiz in his last fight, he looked a bit sluggish but has immense power and takes a good shot, you seen the size of the bugger?

Dillian Whyte will become a derek chisora. Ortiz wipes them out. Tbh he would be a tough tough fight for AJ

[hagler81]

David Haye ducks Parker,
Hughey Fury bottles it against Parker.
Brazeale when presented with the contract he called for chickens out and wants to fight in September.

Cojanu only one with the cojones turns up in NZ for the fight.

And then guess what?
As soon as the fight is made Wilder finds some dutch courage and says he'll fight May 6th.

Cojanu proves he's got more guts than all any of the above.

I knew it, Wilder allways does such things, saying he wants to fight as soon as he knows the fight can't happen.

He didn't impress me greatly Parker. He's tough but i'd back a fair few to derail him