Interesting Klitschko vs Joshua breakdown

[montrealsuper]

Wladimir is at the age that Vitali was when he knew it was time to hang em up. But Joshua might not have the arsenal to be able to punish WK. We really don't know how good Joshua really is because he hasn't had ANY tough fights against serious severe opposition. The question is if Wladimir is already old and he doesn't realize it yet. And the question is if Joshua will have the killer instinct to kill a man he seems to respect so much?



Interesting Klitschko vs Joshua press conference today. Challenger Wladimir Klitschko seems to be the boss calling the shots while passive champion Anthony Joshua is the B side figure and personality happily playing along with his role subordinate to the legend. Let’s face it, Joshua has been protected carefully and there is a sense he’s a manufactured star who is being positioned to become a mega-brand of the future.

But great fighters don’t become great because of careful protection and advantageous business decisions. Great fighters become great because they are extraordinary creatures who love to face the best and beat the best. They are confident on the verge of arrogance and they believe they can beat any contender in the world. Joshua simply does not exude this aura. Klitschko, certainly did for the last decade until he was suddenly dethroned by a madman named Tyson Fury.

Klitschko did not endure a beating to Fury, it was more of a psychological surrender. Klitschko surrendered because he was completely psyched out and humiliated by Fury’s incessant insults and supreme confidence. Fury belittled and insulted Klitschko’s boring reign to such a relentless degree that you began to feel bad for Klitschko. Klitschko did not know what to say or what to do. He had never experienced such a mouthy, clever and gigantic foe. On fight night, Fury had an aura and smile of total confidence. And the pre-fight pattern transferred to the fight itself. Klitschko did not know what to do or how to fight Fury, even though he had no shortage of extra incentives to shut Fury up and make him pay for his misbehavior.

Fury showed the only known way to defeat Klitschko. First you must defeat Klitschko in the mind, then the physical part becomes easier. It was brilliant psychological warfare mastery by a mad genius.

Joshua is showing no signs of threatening Klitschko’s mental side. The wounds that Fury scratched opened are not being exploited by Joshua who is either too nice or too simple to recognize the opportunity. Klitschko said months ago that he can read Joshua and knows everything he is capable of doing in the ring, based on their weeks of sparring in a training camp before the Pulev fight.

I just don’t believe Joshua has the strong enough will and personality to do what he needs to do on Saturday. There are too many signs he’s deferential to his old boss (unlike Tyson Fury was) . To beat a great champion like Wladimir Klitschko, a challenger has to break him down both mentally and physically. Like Ali did to Liston, Frazier and Foreman. Like Duran did to Leonard. Like Hopkins did to Trinidad and De La Hoya. Like Holyfield did to Tyson.

Joshua has too much respect for Klitschko and is allowing this fight to be too comfortable for him. I predict this pattern will transfer to the ring too. Klitschko even told Joshua at today’s press conference that defeat will make him stronger when a reporter asked each what defeat would mean to each. Joshua just smiled and accepted it. Then at the face off Joshua seemed to be making just about all his moves off of Klitschko’s cues, waiting and watching to see what Klitschko did. It’s apparent, to my eyes and senses that he’s treating Klitschko like his boss with far too much respect. And for these all of these reasons I can’t see Joshua winning. PREDICTION: Klitschko by clearcut decisive win. — Scoop Malinowski

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[Thomastearns]

Most pundits favour Klitschko to win if it goes late. Questions of AJ's stamina remain, and will remain unless the hugely muscled AJ has mastered the near forgotten art of safely taking rests during rounds.

On the other hand the first six rounds will be a perilous tightrope for Wlad. I think AJ's calm demeanor is his biggest strength. A boxing ring is no place to get irrational.

Fury just proved that speed beats power (glass jaw permitting). And it nearly killed him getting into that kind of (running) shape. Still, great credit to him, he won in the only way he could.

[Ossyrules]

I think that authors got this wrong, and is looking into things that aren't there.

Joshua's very calm, laid back character. Composed individual, it's an inner confidence in his own abilities to perform, strong enough to have so much faith in himself to step up, that attacking his opponents like fury or Haye etc do just isn't his style. I would be concerned if Joshua was getting aggressive with the mind games. It'd show weakness or fear of what his opponent will do to him and he's been taken off his game plan.

We'll see who the boss is fight night

[MachoTime]

That would be a great prediction for Klitschko if it was five years ago. Don't think Joshua is protected like the author say's either.

[KiwiRider]

That would be a great prediction for Klitschko if it was five years ago. Don't think Joshua is protected like the author say's either.

I also thought AJ's first 15 fights had a lot more challenge here and there, than say, Wilder's first 15.
He has topped the bill in huge events with huge crowds, very early on.
Huge pressure from the Olympics onwards has rested on his shoulders, and that all helps him to be mentally robust.
Of course he is going to be 2nd string to Wlad, who wouldn't be?
It's called respect. The guys in the past that have mouthed off about Wlad lose, Tyson Fury is the only one that got to him, that one time, at that one fight out of 70 odd.

[montrealsuper]

That would be a great prediction for Klitschko if it was five years ago. Don't think Joshua is protected like the author say's either.

I also thought AJ's first 15 fights had a lot more challenge here and there, than say, Wilder's first 15.
He has topped the bill in huge events with huge crowds, very early on.
Huge pressure from the Olympics onwards has rested on his shoulders, and that all helps him to be mentally robust.
Of course he is going to be 2nd string to Wlad, who wouldn't be?
It's called respect. The guys in the past that have mouthed off about Wlad lose, Tyson Fury is the only one that got to him, that one time, at that one fight out of 70 odd.

Good point about WIlder being protected to a further degree of carefulness Wilder has been protected like seth twitchell or whoever he was AJ deserves credit for stepping up here and facing the Big Dog It really is a no lose situation for AJ if he loses it's a terrific learning experience and if he wins the world is his oyster It really is a great intriguing fight despite the lack of fireworks and grudge

[Rob3_142]

Who wrote that OP? Was it really an insert from an article?

[Badhusker]

That would be a great prediction for Klitschko if it was five years ago. Don't think Joshua is protected like the author say's either.

I also thought AJ's first 15 fights had a lot more challenge here and there, than say, Wilder's first 15.
He has topped the bill in huge events with huge crowds, very early on.
Huge pressure from the Olympics onwards has rested on his shoulders, and that all helps him to be mentally robust.
Of course he is going to be 2nd string to Wlad, who wouldn't be?
It's called respect. The guys in the past that have mouthed off about Wlad lose, Tyson Fury is the only one that got to him, that one time, at that one fight out of 70 odd.

Good point about WIlder being protected to a further degree of carefulness Wilder has been protected like seth twitchell or whoever he was AJ deserves credit for stepping up here and facing the Big Dog It really is a no lose situation for AJ if he loses it's a terrific learning experience and if he wins the world is his oyster It really is a great intriguing fight despite the lack of fireworks and grudge

You have not got a clue, in my opinion. A no-lose situation? Stepping up and facing the big dog? Are you kidding? Joshua is the big dog, the champion. He is not stepping up at all, unless you compare the competition he has had so far. He is facing a 41 yr old ex champ that looked horrible in his last fight. If he loses to Klitschko, he will be exposed as hype, along with so many before him. Whether he can come back and have a great career remains to be seen. If he wins, he will have defeated a 41yr old guy that looked horrible in his last fight, coming off a long lay-off, and was washed up. The pressure is on Joshua, like it or not. He has a chance to legitimize his hype slightly with a win, but lets not get carried away.

I could be wrong, but I am banking on Wlad to expose the hype vs legitimize it.

[verlichte]

Unfortunately I have to disagree with the thread title, especially when the author (the OP) is blowing one's horn.

[BitPlayer]

The wounds that Fury scratched opened are not being exploited by Joshua who is either too nice or too simple to recognize the opportunity.

[the_doctor]

I think that authors got this wrong, and is looking into things that aren't there.

Joshua's very calm, laid back character. Composed individual, it's an inner confidence in his own abilities to perform, strong enough to have so much faith in himself to step up, that attacking his opponents like fury or Haye etc do just isn't his style. I would be concerned if Joshua was getting aggressive with the mind games. It'd show weakness or fear of what his opponent will do to him and he's been taken off his game plan.

We'll see who the boss is fight night

I agree. The one time Joshua got too involved (Whyte) he fought like a div and nearly paid the price. Calm is good.

I'm not saying he's going to win, but if he does lose, that won't be the reason.