Wladimir Klitschko vs. Anthony Joshua

[boxing_rocks]

Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

When did Fury become a great boxer? Joshua will beat him. Joshua actually badly hurt Wlad with an uppercut, while Fury hits himself with uppercuts.

[crusader]

All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable. Compared to AJ, he moves like Ali...

No doubt that AJ has the power to take him out with the right shots, though I doubt they'll ever fight, and I doubt Fury will ever be at his peak again.

[lazboy]

Very good fight

Wlad was the boxer in there, better drilled boxer with the fundamentals.

It was smart boxing from Joshua to come out firing in 5 as Wlad had started 2, 3 and 4 quick looking for an early straight right. Joshua met him full on. When he had Wlad hurt I thought he'd see him off, but he tired badly and huge credit to Wlad to not only get up but finish the round stronger. As per the Whyte fight while on top he got buzzed by the left hook and it really set him back

In 6 I thought Joshua was a right hand away from being beat. Heavy shot to put him down and Joshua was all at sea. Wlad had a big chance to win the fight in 6, 7 and possibly 8 while Joshua was mainly refuelling.

Late Joshua had his legs back and Wlad was close to seeing the job home. Huge uppercut won the fight. Reminiscent of Lewis vs Vitali. Really rocked Wlad. A lot of the time Wlad is so much physically greater that when close up there's nothing they can do about being held but Joshua is as physically strong and more and it was a wicked heavy shot.

No problems with the stoppage, Wlad was out of there. I feel sorry for Wlad he fought a great fight. His boxing display didn't deserve the defeat but I can't take it away from Joshua hanging in there.

Wlad like his brother gets more credit in a defeat than any of his wins

Well said.

[boxing_rocks]

Absolutely nothing was landing in the attack which caused the stoppage. Klitchko was reacting and blocking punches. Total bullsh!t stoppage.

I agree, nothing landed, he wasn't hurt at that time. He fully recovered from when he was hurt by an earlier knockdown.

The ref was on Joshua's side throughout the fight.

I think that was a ref's mistake. I didn't see him being on Joshua's side. Wlad was still hurt, but was clearly showing an ability to protect himself, and it was too early to stop because of him not throwing punches.

[lazboy]

All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

[ValMar]

All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

Joshua's one punch power would be too much for Fury (I remember Pajkić and Cunningham dropped him). Of course, I would like to see Fury's comeback.

[lazboy]

All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

Joshua's one punch power would be too much for Fury (I remember Pajkić and Cunningham dropped him). Of course, I would like to see Fury's comeback.

AJ needs to find him first. But yes...this is an argument for another day. As it stands AJ is the best heavyweight in the world. He beats wilder, Parker, Ortiz..... If Fury has a comeback fight and looks good, I'll reconsider. Regardless.....this was and is good for boxing.

[ValMar]

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

Joshua's one punch power would be too much for Fury (I remember Pajkić and Cunningham dropped him). Of course, I would like to see Fury's comeback.

AJ needs to find him first. But yes...this is an argument for another day. As it stands AJ is the best heavyweight in the world. He beats wilder, Parker, Ortiz..... If Fury has a comeback fight and looks good, I'll reconsider. Regardless.....this was and is good for boxing.

[franio]

That was probably one of the best fights in HW I've ever seen on this high level. Something like Lewis vs Witalij Klitschko.

Is there a point in having a rematch?

NO! Wlad isn't getting any younger or better. A rematch would be even worse for him.

Wlad was better and more prepared against Joshua than against Fury. Fury would not have beaten the Wlad who fought Joshua.

[Blodhemn]

Great fight, great win, right stoppage, AJ still a kid ffs, anyone critical of him needs to feck away off from watching boxing, he fought HOF in front of 90,000 in a world title fight n all the pressure that brings, Well done AJ n Klitschko

Only in the UK was this a good stoppage. Joshua is a hype job at this point. Going life and death with an ancient Klitschko does nothing to suggest he'll be at the top much longer.

klitchko was down twice n not throwing back, did you want to see him take a damaging blow before ref stopped it?? Funny he never questioned the stoppage

Wlad wouldn't question his own mother being mugged. He's just not that kind. The stoppage was garbage. No excuse.

[Blodhemn]

All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable. Compared to AJ, he moves like Ali...

No doubt that AJ has the power to take him out with the right shots, though I doubt they'll ever fight, and I doubt Fury will ever be at his peak again.

Agreed. Fury made Wlad much more uncomfortable through tactics. Fury is to Ali as Joshua is to Foreman.

[Impractical Poster]

Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

[crusader]

Longer reach than AJ, better jab, far better movement....all of those are advantages that help give a fighter the edge over his opponents, and it's strange that you're dismissing Fury's win because he utilized them against Wlad.

Fury has been in good fights too by the way, but he was effective enough that he didn't need to be entertaining or show heart to comfortably beat Wlad.

[lazboy]

Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

[crusader]

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

I actually rate AJ number one right now because of Fury's inactivity, and he's done very well in 19 fights, but it's laughable how some are acting as if Fury is shit, and as if Fury-Wlad doesn't count because it was boring.

The length, movement, jab, and angles are areas in which Fury edges AJ. No doubt that Joshua is a much bigger puncher and can take out opponents in a way that Fury can't...

[Impractical Poster]

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

Bro, I've seen enough of him. I know. If that's what you believe, that's fine. I'm not with you on that.

[lazboy]

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

Bro, I've seen enough of him. I know. If that's what you believe, that's fine. I'm not with you on that.

Thats fine, least you're not being a dikhead about it like some. I hope they fight. Questions need answering. The floors open for the heavyweights.

[manchester-mexican]

Only in the UK was this a good stoppage. Joshua is a hype job at this point. Going life and death with an ancient Klitschko does nothing to suggest he'll be at the top much longer.

klitchko was down twice n not throwing back, did you want to see him take a damaging blow before ref stopped it?? Funny he never questioned the stoppage

Wlad wouldn't question his own mother being mugged. He's just not that kind. The stoppage was garbage. No excuse.

in your opinion of course, I had no prob with it, Wlad had been down twice n looked dead on his feet, wasn't throwing anything back.

[Freedom2013]

[Ossyrules]

Fury fan boys and Joshua fan boys both overrate their charges. It's pretty boring reading it all all time time in these threads

- fury had a better style advantage over Wlad

- fury beat Wlad with less trouble

- Joshua fight was more exciting

[evrenb]

While it was a great win and a great night I think Joshua has stamina and chin issues. I like him very much though and what he has done for boxing. Perhaps dropping a stone will help him. Reminds me of Bruno very much.

[Baby Face Finster]

Wlad's over cautiousness cost him the fight. Had he simply gone for it after AJ got up from the knockdown Wlad could have KO'd him. One more solid right hand and AJ would have been KO'd, but the ghosts of prior stamina collapses weighed down heavily on Wlad.

[Seamus]

Joshua outlasted a 41 yr old who hadn't looked good in 2 yrs, and who couldn't pull the trigger when he had his man hurt. The Wlad of 5 yrs ago would have easily beaten AJ. What favours Joshua right now is a weak division.

[Badhusker]

Fury fan boys and Joshua fan boys both overrate their charges. It's pretty boring reading it all all time time in these threads

- fury had a better style advantage over Wlad

- fury beat Wlad with less trouble

- Joshua fight was more exciting

Fury had the perfect game plan to beat Wlad, but neither him or Wlad looked good. If I remember it was that heavyweight fight that had a record low amount of punches landed of any heavyweight fight in history. If Fury and Joshua fought, I think Joshua, even with some stamina issues, would stop Fury about half way through the fight. Fury doesn't punch hard enough to KO Joshua, imo.

[pablothunder]

Wlad's over cautiousness cost him the fight. Had he simply gone for it after AJ got up from the knockdown Wlad could have KO'd him. One more solid right hand and AJ would have been KO'd, but the ghosts of prior stamina collapses weighed down heavily on Wlad.

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